I believed that God created the big bang. But that still leads one to question, who was God, to have been able to do that? Was he a scientist? Was he from another planet with wisdom far deeper than our own? And when creating that big bang, did he know the outcome, or did he sit down on a chair in his lab and say "Holy Shit!" once he saw what his big bang created?
Did he watch as beings grew from the dirt or did he make man on the 7000th day of life? Did he hope we'd all behave ourselves and be nice and not kill one another or eat meat on Friday's, or did he have a Rabbi sitting next to him dictating the stone tablets that Moses carried down from the mountain? Did he impregnate Mary in his lab while she was sleeping and then send her back down to earth to give the "happy news" to Joseph?
All these questions ran through my head, for most of my life (which explains my beer belly and forehead wrinkles) and I finally gave up seeking the answers and asking the questions and just said, "Whatever....let's just be nice to one another and the planet we were lucky enough to be born on."
Much simpler.
So that is why i have this beer belly? Makes sense.
I don't think we can comprehend the answers. If God is the answer to these questions, we aren't capable of answering how and why. I guess that is where faith comes in.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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You make some good points and i have thought about this many times but I always come back to thinking that if God was the Creator of the Big Bang and then why would it matter if the "Creator's hands would be strapped to do it in one of a few ways"? If a Creator was able to make something like this happen I believe the Creator would have known what the outcome was going to be. I personally have no problem thinking that God created the Big Bang and everything after was Gods intention, including the laws we observe today.
That's cool, but it's non sequitur to say that is evidence there was a God or that it had any special properties like the Christian God. Especially since that doesn't allow for Human Free-Wills and thus punishing humans for their decisions wouldn't be the work of omnibenevolence.
But you know, Christians are always trying to prove "God" exists. Even if they succeeded, they couldn't prove God has any of the qualities from the Bible. If God is synonymous with "First Cause" and has no involvement with human affairs, then the whole idea is irrelevant and I wonder why people fight so hard to prove it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
So that is why i have this beer belly? Makes sense.
I don't think we can comprehend the answers. If God is the answer to these questions, we aren't capable of answering how and why. I guess that is where faith comes in.
There is something to be said for not having an opinion.
Do I believe that the initial configuration of the universe was chosen by a God or the laws of science? Neither.
I don't believe. But it seems more likely that a simple law like quantum mechanics determined the initial configuration than some ineffible God. Still, that's as far as my opinion on the matter needs to go. I don't need to choose sides or have faith.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
There is something to be said for not having an opinion.
Do I believe that the initial configuration of the universe was chosen by a God or the laws of science? Neither.
I don't believe. But it seems more likely that a simple law like quantum mechanics determined the initial configuration than some ineffible God. Still, that's as far as my opinion on the matter needs to go. I don't need to choose sides or have faith.
"Sounds like a cop-out"? For me to say that people's faiths belong to the people who own them?
"There is something to be said for not having an opinion".....are you saying you wish that I didn't have my own?
The rest of your post confuses me, but that's nothing new. As I shared with you in a PM one night, I'm agnostic. I have no prescribed faith. I just believe that something cool happened and created this earth and I feel that we should keep cool things happening in return.
I thought you and I pretty much agreed on that and moved on.
I've been surprised to read further into your posts and find that you seem hell-bent on tearing religion to bits. Kinda reminds me of that Book of Monsters in Harry Potter 5....maybe you need your spine stroked?
What is wrong with letting people believe what they WANT to believe? Who died and made you the Religion Nazi?
That being said, I still like some parts of you....I think.
"Sounds like a cop-out"? For me to say that people's faiths belong to the people who own them?
"There is something to be said for not having an opinion".....are you saying you wish that I didn't have my own?
The rest of your post confuses me, but that's nothing new. As I shared with you in a PM one night, I'm agnostic. I have no prescribed faith. I just believe that something cool happened and created this earth and I feel that we should keep cool things happening in return.
I thought you and I pretty much agreed on that and moved on.
I've been surprised to read further into your posts and find that you seem hell-bent on tearing religion to bits. Kinda reminds me of that Book of Monsters in Harry Potter 5....maybe you need your spine stroked?
What is wrong with letting people believe what they WANT to believe? Who died and made you the Religion Nazi?
Religion is toxic.
That being said, I still like some parts of you....I think.
Yea, all the girls like that part... :rolleyes:
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Religion is toxic. To you, apparently, it is. It brings out the acid in you.
As for your parts, I don't know what size you are. Could be that I would take one look, roll my eyes, and look elsewhere, fast.
Who's to say....God?
Or you?
It's not always about size, sometimes it's about density. Unless we aren't talking brains.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I have no doubt your brain and head are huge, love.
But getting back to the subject at hand, why can't you let people believe what they want to believe, and let go?
We live in democracies and those people vote.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
can you make something out of nothing? i asked my 10 year old this question a minute ago.
his response: how can you make something out of nothing. you've got nothing to make it with. i find it impossible.
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I believed that God created the big bang. But that still leads one to question, who was God, to have been able to do that? Was he a scientist? Was he from another planet with wisdom far deeper than our own? And when creating that big bang, did he know the outcome, or did he sit down on a chair in his lab and say "Holy Shit!" once he saw what his big bang created?
Did he watch as beings grew from the dirt or did he make man on the 7000th day of life? Did he hope we'd all behave ourselves and be nice and not kill one another or eat meat on Friday's, or did he have a Rabbi sitting next to him dictating the stone tablets that Moses carried down from the mountain? Did he impregnate Mary in his lab while she was sleeping and then send her back down to earth to give the "happy news" to Joseph?
All these questions ran through my head, for most of my life (which explains my beer belly and forehead wrinkles) and I finally gave up seeking the answers and asking the questions and just said, "Whatever....let's just be nice to one another and the planet we were lucky enough to be born on."
Much simpler.
A distinct point of creation is complete denial of infinity.
We know infinity exists and can be proven.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
A distinct point of creation is complete denial of infinity.
We know infinity exists and can be proven.
how can we prove infinity if by its very definition something infinite has indeterminate bounds?
just cause something is beyond our scope doesn't mean it is infinite. it just means its boundary is not observable.
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A distinct point of creation is complete denial of infinity.
We know infinity exists and can be proven.
..in other words, please enlighten me?
Meaning that -- we all know I talk a lot....I ramble....I say lots of things at once (and sometimes regret it in the morning).....but you all give me these short, trite answers, and I don't know whether I should feel like I was put down, or whether I should just agree with you.
how can we prove infinity if by its very definition something infinite has indeterminate bounds?
just cause something is beyond our scope doesn't mean it is infinite. it just means its boundary is not observable.
By the mere fact that it can exist on a page in numerical representation.
The universe is an all or nothing principle. Empty or full. Something or nothing.
Creation is an impossibility. who created the creator? and so on...forever...it's a catch 22 that ultimately fails on the most basic level of understanding.
The universe just exists (energy just exists)...no beginning....no end....nover lost....always changing. Always has...always will. We are just one tiny (tiny) piece of it (the actual "universe").
If we came somewhere from nothingness, then it wasn't truly "nothing" to begin with. 100% "Nothing" can never be "anything" otherwise it wasn't nothing to begin with. Therefore nothing is an impossibility because...well...look around....something...lots of something.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
By the mere fact that it can exist on a page in numerical representation.
The universe is an all or nothing principle. Empty or full. Something or nothing.
Creation is an impossibility. who created the creator? and so on...forever...it's a catch 22 that ultimately fails on the most basic level of understanding.
The universe just exists (energy just exists)...no beginning....no end....nover lost....always changing. Always has...always will. We are just one tiny (tiny) piece of it (the actual "universe").
If we came somewhere from nothingness, then it wasn't truly "nothing" to begin with. 100% "Nothing" can never be "anything" otherwise it wasn't nothing to begin with. Therefore nothing is an impossibility because...well...look around....something...lots of something.
oh i don't believe in creation. i think you know that already. but i am also not prepared to take science or theoretical premises at face value either, just cause someone tells me something is so.
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oh i don't believe in creation. i think you know that already. but i am also not prepared to take science or theoretical premises at face value either, just cause someone tells me something is so.
You can take a physics class.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
yeah i guess i could. but when it comes to something as vast as the universe tis really only speculation and theory isn't it. you can prove practically anything if all you have to do is theorise.
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By the mere fact that it can exist on a page in numerical representation.
The universe is an all or nothing principle. Empty or full. Something or nothing.
Creation is an impossibility. who created the creator? and so on...forever...it's a catch 22 that ultimately fails on the most basic level of understanding.
The universe just exists (energy just exists)...no beginning....no end....nover lost....always changing. Always has...always will. We are just one tiny (tiny) piece of it (the actual "universe").
If we came somewhere from nothingness, then it wasn't truly "nothing" to begin with. 100% "Nothing" can never be "anything" otherwise it wasn't nothing to begin with. Therefore nothing is an impossibility because...well...look around....something...lots of something.
So, I can't believe that a "creator" has always existed, but it is okay to believe that "energy" has always existed?
yeah i guess i could. but when it comes to something as vast as the universe tis really only speculation and theory isn't it. you can prove practically anything if all you have to do is theorise.
It's not all just theory.
Without our current understanding of physics, most of what we have wouldn't work, like computers, amusement park rides, satellite, etc..
Theoretical Physics isn't just speculation either. First of all it has to be testable, falsifiable and work with physics in general. I don't understand the math myself, but mathematical proof is very supportive. We need a Grand Unified Theory and then it'll be a lot simpler.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You don't have an answer. You are just spitting nonsense. I find it quite annoying that you make statements you can't back up. If you want to have an opinion, you should have some knowledge backing it up.
Here is a lesson:
Mental Retardation is caused by:
Down syndrome, fetal alcohol syndrome and Fragile X syndrome are the three most common inborn causes. However, doctors have found many other causes. The most common are:
Genetic conditions. Sometimes disability is caused by abnormal genes inherited from parents, errors when genes combine, or other reasons. Examples of genetic conditions include Down syndrome, Fragile X syndrome, Phelan-McDermid syndrome (22q13del), Mowat-Wilson syndrome and phenylketonuria (PKU).
Problems during pregnancy. Mental disability can result when the fetus does not develop inside the mother properly. For example, there may be a problem with the way the fetus's cells divide as it grows. A woman who drinks alcohol (see fetal alcohol syndrome) or gets an infection like rubella during pregnancy may also have a baby with mental disability.
Problems at birth. If a baby has problems during labor and birth, such as not getting enough oxygen, he or she may have developmental disability due to brain damage.
Health problems. Diseases like whooping cough, measles, or meningitis can cause mental disability. It can also be caused by not getting enough medical care, or by being exposed to poisons like lead or mercury.
Iodine deficiency, affecting approximately 2 billion people worldwide, is the leading preventable cause of mental disability in areas of the developing world where iodine deficiency is endemic. Iodine deficiency also causes goiter, an enlargement of the thyroid gland. More common than full-fledged cretinism, as retardation caused by severe iodine deficiency is called, is mild impairment of intelligence. Certain areas of the world due to natural deficiency and governmental inaction are severely affected. India is the most outstanding, with 500 million suffering from deficiency, 54 million from goiter, and 2 million from cretinism. Among other nations affected by iodine deficiency, China and Kazakhstan have begun taking action, while Russia has not. [5]
Malnutrition is a common cause of reduced intelligence in parts of the world affected by famine, such as Ethiopia. [6]
The use of forceps during birth can lead to mental retardation in an otherwise normal child. They can fracture the skull and cause brain damage.
Institutionalisation at a young age can cause mental retardation in normal children.
Sensory deprivation in the form of severe environmental restrictions (such as being locked in a basement or under a staircase), prolonged isolation, or severe atypical parent-child interactions.
Psycho-social disadvantage. Contributing factors are lack of reading material, use of a language not common in that community, poor diet, poor health practices, and poor housing.
What do all these things have in common? They affect the normal development of the brain!
The BRAIN is the underlying cause of intelligence.
What you don't seem to understand is that I have a different point of view than you and you can't deal with it. We speak different languages. So what?
Get your panties in a bunch over somebody else. I have nothing to prove to you. Never have, never will.
What you don't seem to understand is that I have a different point of view than you and you can't deal with it. We speak different languages. So what?
Get your panties in a bunch over somebody else. I have nothing to prove to you. Never have, never will.
Cause I don't speak rubbish.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Without our current understanding of physics, most of what we have wouldn't work, like computers, amusement park rides, satellite, etc..
Theoretical Physics isn't just speculation either. First of all it has to be testable, falsifiable and work with physics in general. I don't understand the math myself, but mathematical proof is very supportive. We need a Grand Unified Theory and then it'll be a lot simpler.
If anyone ever comes up with the Grand Unified Theory their name will be known to everyone throughout history. This is stuff I don't think any human will ever be able to comprehend or find a final solution. This of course leads to me believing that no matter how long we as a human race are lucky enough to hang around the beautiful planet we have we will never fully understand why and how any of this came to exist.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
Pensacola '94 New Orleans '95 Birmingham '98 New Orleans '00 New Orleans '03 Tampa '08 New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest Fenway Park '18 St. Louis '22
If anyone ever comes up with the Grand Unified Theory their name will be known to everyone throughout history. This is stuff I don't think any human will ever be able to comprehend or find a final solution. This of course leads to me believing that no matter how long we as a human race are lucky enough to hang around the beautiful planet we have we will never fully understand why and how any of this came to exist.
not unless, of course, you have faith in something.... that in essence clears any questions you might have about "life", or whatnot.
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So that is why i have this beer belly? Makes sense.
I don't think we can comprehend the answers. If God is the answer to these questions, we aren't capable of answering how and why. I guess that is where faith comes in.
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That's cool, but it's non sequitur to say that is evidence there was a God or that it had any special properties like the Christian God. Especially since that doesn't allow for Human Free-Wills and thus punishing humans for their decisions wouldn't be the work of omnibenevolence.
But you know, Christians are always trying to prove "God" exists. Even if they succeeded, they couldn't prove God has any of the qualities from the Bible. If God is synonymous with "First Cause" and has no involvement with human affairs, then the whole idea is irrelevant and I wonder why people fight so hard to prove it.
And, so......to each, his own faith.
Amen.
Sounds like a cop-out to me.
There is something to be said for not having an opinion.
Do I believe that the initial configuration of the universe was chosen by a God or the laws of science? Neither.
I don't believe. But it seems more likely that a simple law like quantum mechanics determined the initial configuration than some ineffible God. Still, that's as far as my opinion on the matter needs to go. I don't need to choose sides or have faith.
"Sounds like a cop-out"? For me to say that people's faiths belong to the people who own them?
"There is something to be said for not having an opinion".....are you saying you wish that I didn't have my own?
The rest of your post confuses me, but that's nothing new. As I shared with you in a PM one night, I'm agnostic. I have no prescribed faith. I just believe that something cool happened and created this earth and I feel that we should keep cool things happening in return.
I thought you and I pretty much agreed on that and moved on.
I've been surprised to read further into your posts and find that you seem hell-bent on tearing religion to bits. Kinda reminds me of that Book of Monsters in Harry Potter 5....maybe you need your spine stroked?
What is wrong with letting people believe what they WANT to believe? Who died and made you the Religion Nazi?
That being said, I still like some parts of you....I think.
Religion is toxic.
Yea, all the girls like that part... :rolleyes:
As for your parts, I don't know what size you are. Could be that I would take one look, roll my eyes, and look elsewhere, fast.
Who's to say....God?
Or you?
It's not always about size, sometimes it's about density. Unless we aren't talking brains.
But getting back to the subject at hand, why can't you let people believe what they want to believe, and let go?
We live in democracies and those people vote.
his response: how can you make something out of nothing. you've got nothing to make it with. i find it impossible.
take a good look
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i just need to say
A distinct point of creation is complete denial of infinity.
We know infinity exists and can be proven.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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(")_(")
how can we prove infinity if by its very definition something infinite has indeterminate bounds?
just cause something is beyond our scope doesn't mean it is infinite. it just means its boundary is not observable.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
..in other words, please enlighten me?
Meaning that -- we all know I talk a lot....I ramble....I say lots of things at once (and sometimes regret it in the morning).....but you all give me these short, trite answers, and I don't know whether I should feel like I was put down, or whether I should just agree with you.
By the mere fact that it can exist on a page in numerical representation.
The universe is an all or nothing principle. Empty or full. Something or nothing.
Creation is an impossibility. who created the creator? and so on...forever...it's a catch 22 that ultimately fails on the most basic level of understanding.
The universe just exists (energy just exists)...no beginning....no end....nover lost....always changing. Always has...always will. We are just one tiny (tiny) piece of it (the actual "universe").
If we came somewhere from nothingness, then it wasn't truly "nothing" to begin with. 100% "Nothing" can never be "anything" otherwise it wasn't nothing to begin with. Therefore nothing is an impossibility because...well...look around....something...lots of something.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
you gotta have something
if you wanna be with me!
Joking aside, eternity has no beginning and no ending. It just "is".
Well, that's cool for eternity, but what about the rest of us who can't fathom an endless, beginningless something.
Is that God? Is it that easy? You just say, "Well, we can't understand it, because we're human and we're not God. God is eternal, and we're not"?
For those of us who want to live longer, or die sooner, how can you ask us to accept an eternal anything?
oh i don't believe in creation. i think you know that already. but i am also not prepared to take science or theoretical premises at face value either, just cause someone tells me something is so.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
You can take a physics class.
yeah i guess i could. but when it comes to something as vast as the universe tis really only speculation and theory isn't it. you can prove practically anything if all you have to do is theorise.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So, I can't believe that a "creator" has always existed, but it is okay to believe that "energy" has always existed?
It's not all just theory.
Without our current understanding of physics, most of what we have wouldn't work, like computers, amusement park rides, satellite, etc..
Theoretical Physics isn't just speculation either. First of all it has to be testable, falsifiable and work with physics in general. I don't understand the math myself, but mathematical proof is very supportive. We need a Grand Unified Theory and then it'll be a lot simpler.
What you don't seem to understand is that I have a different point of view than you and you can't deal with it. We speak different languages. So what?
Get your panties in a bunch over somebody else. I have nothing to prove to you. Never have, never will.
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Cause I don't speak rubbish.
If anyone ever comes up with the Grand Unified Theory their name will be known to everyone throughout history. This is stuff I don't think any human will ever be able to comprehend or find a final solution. This of course leads to me believing that no matter how long we as a human race are lucky enough to hang around the beautiful planet we have we will never fully understand why and how any of this came to exist.
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
having faith will clear up any questions you might have? are you kidding me?
having faith in something means NOT looking for an answer and just trusting that it'll be all okay.
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