Mindless Sheep? Enlighten Me.....
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nathanastin wrote:You answered my question; those who you disagree with are ignorant and backwoods. How am I hatefilled and bigoted if I disagree with you? I don't hate anyone for following Obama or mindlessly following Obama, even if I disagree.
listen you come off as a person who is, like i said get out some come to the big city the real America ,you must have a crystal ball you can allready see what will be in 1yr from now ......Obama has been on the scene since what 04 with his famous speech at the dem convention yet you were willing to vote for Palin for vp and when did she appear 2months ago tell me what voters were blind sheep ....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
nathanastin wrote:I don't see that as redistribution. They make the money, they should keep an equal percent as everyone else. I disagree with Robin Hood politics.
Let me go at it this way. How do you think would be the best way to solve the huge deficit GBW is going to leave us with? Besides curbing pork-barrel spending.0 -
If I offended anyone I am sorry; I guess my original post may have sounded a little harsh. Just wanted to ask some questions from the post-Bush world. My reasons are, like most of you I want to feel hopeful; yet, I don't and do not like Obama and see so many that do. I want to get reasons for liking him, so I can enjoy America with everyone. But the pure hatred towards Bush and the Reps is ridiculous. I have never seen such malicious behavior and degradation toward our country than the vitriol spilled towards them. I agree that Bush failed in many areas, but he did do a few things right. If Obama fails, I hope you all give him the same shit you gave Bush.SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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So real America is the big city? I have been to big cities and they mostly seem filthy and chaotic, but I agree they are part of America and should be recognized, along with every other part. I do not like Palin and would rather have voted for someone else as VP. I don't even really like McCain, but I thought him better than Obama. So Obama has been around since 04; campaigning for 2 years so he only did 2 years of work. Why should we think he is qualified to be president and will make good decisions based on that? I just think McCain was a little more qualified.josevolution wrote:listen you come off as a person who is, like i said get out some come to the big city the real America ,you must have a crystal ball you can allready see what will be in 1yr from now ......Obama has been on the scene since what 04 with his famous speech at the dem convention yet you were willing to vote for Palin for vp and when did she appear 2months ago tell me what voters were blind sheep ....SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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nathanastin wrote:My points were in my original post and no one wants to respond to them. Please reread it and then answer some of the things I posited.
ok...
Your assumption that those who support Obama as mindless is incorrect...
I don't buy into the guilt by association points you posted...in fact I believe Khaladi was supported by McCain...
I believe he as shown good judgment in has not supporting the rush to war with Iraq...and with is choice of running mate Joe Biden...
Unlike some, I happen to think being a good, clear, eloquent speaker is a good thing vs. being a stumbling buffoon like bush...0 -
anotherclone wrote:Let me go at it this way. How do you think would be the best way to solve the huge deficit GBW is going to leave us with? Besides curbing pork-barrel spending.
I would say cut pork barrel spending; end the war as soon as possible; cut entitlement programs; cut back on big government. What would you say?SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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I never said he was guilty of anything but bad judgment. Being a good speaker doesn't mean you will be a good anything.inmytree wrote:ok...
Your assumption that those who support Obama as mindless is incorrect...
I don't buy into the guilt by association points you posted...in fact I believe Khaladi was supported by McCain...
I believe he as shown good judgment in has not supporting the rush to war with Iraq...and with is choice of running mate Joe Biden...
Unlike some, I happen to think being a good, clear, eloquent speaker is a good thing vs. being a stumbling buffoon like bush...SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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Messiah? he is just a man.
history has been made, that's all.
Some people will take it to extremes.
But don’t forget he brings hope to a lot of people.*~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*0 -
I agree with all these points; I didn't equate him with a messiah, many others did and do. My questioning is just wondering if it's a false hope.blondieblue227 wrote:Messiah? he is just a man.
history has been made, that's all.
Some people will take it to extremes.
But don’t forget he brings hope to a lot of people.SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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By the way, I started this thread to get my number of posts up. Haven't posted much lately.SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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nathanastin wrote:I never said he was guilty of anything but bad judgment. Being a good speaker doesn't mean you will be a good anything.
I think communication with the rest of the world is key. I find Obama's temperment, attitude, and eloquence to be a perfect for dealing with the troubling foreign climate that America faces in the 21st Century.
Foriegn relations have never been so servered and broken.
The United States has a lot of ground to make up here and I believe that Obama is right man to bring the world together.
And that is just Foreign Policy.
America also needs a strong leader.
Obama proved to be very steady during the economic crisis; and has contiued to do so as evidenced by his press conferance this afternoon.
Both Bush and McCain tripped over themselves and looked like a bunch of bumbling idiots when addressing the economic troubles.
Call me a mindless sheep
But...I've never been more hopeful0 -
nathanastin wrote:I never said he was guilty of anything but bad judgment. Being a good speaker doesn't mean you will be a good anything.
Well, I guess being a good speaker would make someone good at speaking...
right...?
Call me kooky, but I see that as a positive...
I do have to ask, do you read what you post...? because it doesn't seem like you do...0 -
Good pointsGonzo1977 wrote:I think communication with the rest of the world is key. I find Obama's temperment, attitude, and elequance to be a perfect asset in dealing with the troubling foreign climate in the 21st Century.
Foriegn relations have never been so servered and broken.
The United States has a lot of ground to make up here and I believe that Obama is right man to bring the world together.
And that is just Foreign Policy.
America also needs a strong leader.
Obama proved to be very steady during the economic crisis; and has contiued to do so as evidenced by his press conferance this afternoon.
Both Bush and McCain tripped over themselves and looked like a bunch of bumbling idiots when addressing the economic troubles.
Call me a mindless sheep
But...I've never been more hopefulSLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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nathanastin wrote:By the way, I started this thread to get my number of posts up. Haven't posted much lately.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
perfection for the MT.
gotta love it!
Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
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Did you read mine? I am saying that just because you speak well doesn't mean your good at being anything but a good speaker. Not a way to judge how one will be in office.inmytree wrote:Well, I guess being a good speaker would make someone good at speaking...
right...?
Call me kooky, but I see that as a positive...
I do have to ask, do you read what you post...? because it doesn't seem like you do...SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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My mind has been changed on some points; I will continue to debate with myself and others and hope for the best. Have a good night assholes
SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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nathanastin wrote:I agree with all these points; I didn't equate him with a messiah, many others did and do. My questioning is just wondering if it's a false hope.
who?
just the fact he got elected is hope.*~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*0 -
nathanastin wrote:My mind has been changed on some points; I will continue to debate with myself and others and hope for the best. Have a good night assholes
man, this place is like performance art sometimes. and we're all the players...even if we don't realize it. mindless sheep indeed.
Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow0 -
nathanastin wrote:I would say cut pork barrel spending; end the war as soon as possible; cut entitlement programs; cut back on big government. What would you say?
which entitlement programs? something like say, medicaid or medicare? what does "cut back on big government" specifically mean to you? Less employees at the Federal level? Because I say that seems to sound good on paper, but to me, it makes sense to raise taxes on some folks. I don't necessarily like it, but it makes sense to me.0 -
nathanastin wrote:If I offended anyone I am sorry; I guess my original post may have sounded a little harsh. Just wanted to ask some questions from the post-Bush world. My reasons are, like most of you I want to feel hopeful; yet, I don't and do not like Obama and see so many that do. I want to get reasons for liking him, so I can enjoy America with everyone. But the pure hatred towards Bush and the Reps is ridiculous. I have never seen such malicious behavior and degradation toward our country than the vitriol spilled towards them. I agree that Bush failed in many areas, but he did do a few things right. If Obama fails, I hope you all give him the same shit you gave Bush.
i agree with you that some of the obama's supporters blind love for the guy without questioning anything he has or might do.....it's scary
but you what else is scary....deeply religious people forcing those beliefs upon the populous....that just isn't american....this country was founded to escape this very thing yet today we have powerful, well funded, untaxed churches funding legislation (which by the way is a tax violation) to take away people's rights....
and that makes me angry....now you may not see it, but not allowing a certain segment of our citizens the right to marry is equal to not allowing women to vote or considering black people "three fifths of all other Persons"...it's discrimination plain and simple
as for bush....he was a terrible leader and i believe to be a puppet of the right wing....0
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