Thanks for the attempt at a debate; I am out for the weekend, but I hope I come back some posts that left answers for me.
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You mean it is historic because a black man was voted into office? That is a great accomplishment and should be applauded, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't question him at all. I understand you see it as passion, but I also see completely following without questioning; unfortunately, the media has not helped on this part. I honestly hope Obama is successful and helps this country forward. I just hope we can call him when he is wrong.
For the first time in this thread I actually agree with you.
However
The pedals apear to be backing up here compared to your original post which was very critical and pessimistic towards a President Elect whom hasn't even taken office yet.
you are taking things to such huge extremes ... do you relaly think Obama's tax plan will result in everyone "making the same"? C'mon.
No, but isn't that where it could lead?
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What happens when we all make the same and act the same and live the same? Will that be a great America?
I imagine that dogs and cats will live together first. So, you'll have sufficient notice to begin the rioting.
You still didn't answer my last question or comment regarding redistribution. You know, the one where I pointed out the irony of the wealthy complaining about redistribution.
But, I get it. You are kind of having a lot of conversations at once with people here. Best to ignore the more difficult questions.
you can't your filled with too much hate & bigotry get out some leave the backwoods where you live see the world ..clueless soul .
You answered my question; those who you disagree with are ignorant and backwoods. How am I hatefilled and bigoted if I disagree with you? I don't hate anyone for following Obama or mindlessly following Obama, even if I disagree.
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I imagine that dogs and cats will live together first. So, you'll have sufficient notice to begin the rioting.
You still didn't answer my last question or comment regarding redistribution. You know, the one where I pointed out the irony of the wealthy complaining about redistribution.
But, I get it. You are kind of having a lot of conversations at once with people here. Best to ignore the more difficult questions.
I don't see that as redistribution. They make the money, they should keep an equal percent as everyone else. I disagree with Robin Hood politics.
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You hope Obama is successful about as much as you plan on being the best man in a gay wedding. I didn't think it was possible to be so transparant and dense at the same time.
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You answered my question; those who you disagree with are ignorant and backwoods. How am I hatefilled and bigoted if I disagree with you? I don't hate anyone for following Obama or mindlessly following Obama, even if I disagree.
ha ha ha...you're cracking me up...you come here claiming to seek a honest debate. then in your second post in this thread you call folks assholes...now suddenly your the victim...
You hope Obama is successful about as much as you plan on being the best man in a gay wedding. I didn't think it was possible to be so transparant and dense at the same time.
Nice name calling. Didn't gay weddings just get voted down?
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ha ha ha...you're cracking me up...you come here claiming to seek a honest debate. then in your second post in this thread you call folks assholes...now suddenly your the victim...
haaaa haaaa haaaaa
this is good stuff....
If I wasn't attacked I would not respond. I just respond like that because no one on here ever wants to be civil, so I just brought it down to that level after I knew no one would respond to my questions without calling me ignorant, close-minded, backwoods, bigoted, etc.
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Oh, you know it did and watched with smug satisfaction the entire time. You can admit it to me...
I have no satisfaction in that; I know it will be overturned by legislating judges.
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If I wasn't attacked I would not respond. I just respond like that because no one on here ever wants to be civil, so I just brought it down to that level after I knew no one would respond to my questions without calling me ignorant, close-minded, backwoods, bigoted, etc.
does someone need a whaaaaaambulance....?
dude, you set the tone of this thread...quit playing the victim and make your point...
If I wasn't attacked I would not respond. I just respond like that because no one on here ever wants to be civil, so I just brought it down to that level after I knew no one would respond to my questions without calling me ignorant, close-minded, backwoods, bigoted, etc.
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dude, you set the tone of this thread...quit playing the victim and make your point...
My points were in my original post and no one wants to respond to them. Please reread it and then answer some of the things I posited.
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I don't see mindless worship of Obama, I see a passionate response towards possible change. It's been a while, but I'm sure the response was close but not completely similar to when Clinton was elected. This was an historic election, afterall. That is the tremendous part!
If Republicans didn't want change then the current president would have had a bigger role in supporting McCain. When the dust has settled the passionate response to the win will become an anxious anticipation. So much we didn't know could happen has happened in the past 8 years, and it's safe to assume that we don't know what is in store.
well said.
besides the fact....the WAY overused 'mindless sheep' has been an equal opportunity slur. i've seen it used for reps, dems and nader supporters...so it's non-discriminatory. that and 'drinking the kool-aide'........bah. :rolleyes:
You answered my question; those who you disagree with are ignorant and backwoods. How am I hatefilled and bigoted if I disagree with you? I don't hate anyone for following Obama or mindlessly following Obama, even if I disagree.
listen you come off as a person who is, like i said get out some come to the big city the real America ,you must have a crystal ball you can allready see what will be in 1yr from now ......Obama has been on the scene since what 04 with his famous speech at the dem convention yet you were willing to vote for Palin for vp and when did she appear 2months ago tell me what voters were blind sheep ....
I don't see that as redistribution. They make the money, they should keep an equal percent as everyone else. I disagree with Robin Hood politics.
Let me go at it this way. How do you think would be the best way to solve the huge deficit GBW is going to leave us with? Besides curbing pork-barrel spending.
If I offended anyone I am sorry; I guess my original post may have sounded a little harsh. Just wanted to ask some questions from the post-Bush world. My reasons are, like most of you I want to feel hopeful; yet, I don't and do not like Obama and see so many that do. I want to get reasons for liking him, so I can enjoy America with everyone. But the pure hatred towards Bush and the Reps is ridiculous. I have never seen such malicious behavior and degradation toward our country than the vitriol spilled towards them. I agree that Bush failed in many areas, but he did do a few things right. If Obama fails, I hope you all give him the same shit you gave Bush.
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listen you come off as a person who is, like i said get out some come to the big city the real America ,you must have a crystal ball you can allready see what will be in 1yr from now ......Obama has been on the scene since what 04 with his famous speech at the dem convention yet you were willing to vote for Palin for vp and when did she appear 2months ago tell me what voters were blind sheep ....
So real America is the big city? I have been to big cities and they mostly seem filthy and chaotic, but I agree they are part of America and should be recognized, along with every other part. I do not like Palin and would rather have voted for someone else as VP. I don't even really like McCain, but I thought him better than Obama. So Obama has been around since 04; campaigning for 2 years so he only did 2 years of work. Why should we think he is qualified to be president and will make good decisions based on that? I just think McCain was a little more qualified.
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Let me go at it this way. How do you think would be the best way to solve the huge deficit GBW is going to leave us with? Besides curbing pork-barrel spending.
I would say cut pork barrel spending; end the war as soon as possible; cut entitlement programs; cut back on big government. What would you say?
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Your assumption that those who support Obama as mindless is incorrect...
I don't buy into the guilt by association points you posted...in fact I believe Khaladi was supported by McCain...
I believe he as shown good judgment in has not supporting the rush to war with Iraq...and with is choice of running mate Joe Biden...
Unlike some, I happen to think being a good, clear, eloquent speaker is a good thing vs. being a stumbling buffoon like bush...
I never said he was guilty of anything but bad judgment. Being a good speaker doesn't mean you will be a good anything.
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Messiah? he is just a man.
history has been made, that's all.
Some people will take it to extremes.
But don’t forget he brings hope to a lot of people.
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Messiah? he is just a man.
history has been made, that's all.
Some people will take it to extremes.
But don’t forget he brings hope to a lot of people.
I agree with all these points; I didn't equate him with a messiah, many others did and do. My questioning is just wondering if it's a false hope.
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By the way, I started this thread to get my number of posts up. Haven't posted much lately.
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you are taking things to such huge extremes ... do you relaly think Obama's tax plan will result in everyone "making the same"? C'mon.
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what a good christian :rolleyes:
For the first time in this thread I actually agree with you.
However
The pedals apear to be backing up here compared to your original post which was very critical and pessimistic towards a President Elect whom hasn't even taken office yet.
you can't your filled with too much hate & bigotry get out some leave the backwoods where you live see the world ..clueless soul .
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I imagine that dogs and cats will live together first. So, you'll have sufficient notice to begin the rioting.
You still didn't answer my last question or comment regarding redistribution. You know, the one where I pointed out the irony of the wealthy complaining about redistribution.
But, I get it. You are kind of having a lot of conversations at once with people here. Best to ignore the more difficult questions.
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no.
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You hope Obama is successful about as much as you plan on being the best man in a gay wedding. I didn't think it was possible to be so transparant and dense at the same time.
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ha ha ha...you're cracking me up...you come here claiming to seek a honest debate. then in your second post in this thread you call folks assholes...now suddenly your the victim...
haaaa haaaa haaaaa
this is good stuff....
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Oh, you know it did and watched with smug satisfaction the entire time. You can admit it to me...
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does someone need a whaaaaaambulance....?
dude, you set the tone of this thread...quit playing the victim and make your point...
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well said.
besides the fact....the WAY overused 'mindless sheep' has been an equal opportunity slur. i've seen it used for reps, dems and nader supporters...so it's non-discriminatory.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
listen you come off as a person who is, like i said get out some come to the big city the real America ,you must have a crystal ball you can allready see what will be in 1yr from now ......Obama has been on the scene since what 04 with his famous speech at the dem convention yet you were willing to vote for Palin for vp and when did she appear 2months ago tell me what voters were blind sheep ....
Let me go at it this way. How do you think would be the best way to solve the huge deficit GBW is going to leave us with? Besides curbing pork-barrel spending.
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ok...
Your assumption that those who support Obama as mindless is incorrect...
I don't buy into the guilt by association points you posted...in fact I believe Khaladi was supported by McCain...
I believe he as shown good judgment in has not supporting the rush to war with Iraq...and with is choice of running mate Joe Biden...
Unlike some, I happen to think being a good, clear, eloquent speaker is a good thing vs. being a stumbling buffoon like bush...
I would say cut pork barrel spending; end the war as soon as possible; cut entitlement programs; cut back on big government. What would you say?
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history has been made, that's all.
Some people will take it to extremes.
But don’t forget he brings hope to a lot of people.
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