Palestinian kindergarten graduation ceremony

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Let me state that I'm not calling you personally an idiot. I am simply stating my belief that only an Idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this. Israel has been engaged in a brutal military occupation for the past 40 years and is supported 100% by the worlds only superpower. They are oppressing a people who are struggling to feed themselves, and who are living in a state of extreme poverty and desperation. Therefore: only an Idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this. I hope this brand of logic doesn't get me banned again.
    hamas is the elected government. their charter states that it wants the destruction of Israel.


    if the charter stated "the destruction of Israel" (only in the occupied lands). I'd say you have more of an argument.

    you are only playing the victim card because one side is much stronger then the other. just because you are weak doesn't automatically make you the victim.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hamas is the elected government. their charter states that it wants the destruction of Israel.


    if the charter stated "the destruction of Israel" (only in the occupied lands). I'd say you have more of an argument.

    you are only playing the victim card because one side is much stronger then the other. just because you are weak doesn't automatically make you the victim.


    So just because Israel doesn't outright say they want to destroy Palestine but then do everything they can to actually do it...it lets them off the hook??? Because the place looks pretty damn destroyed.

    If you are way bigger than you're opponent and use much greater force on them and their innocents....then you are a bully. You've lost any right to be the victim.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    So just because Israel doesn't outright say they want to destroy Palestine but then do everything they can to actually do it...it lets them off the hook??? Because the place looks pretty damn destroyed.
    really? they can make the gaza strip a parking lot if they wanted. or dont put any blame on the corruption of hamas and palastinian authority for the misfortune's of the people. . I'm sure they only look out for the best for everybody.
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    If you are way bigger than you're opponent and use much greater force on them and their innocents....then you are a bully. You've lost any right to be the victim.
    there are many innocent victims on both sides. i think they both qualify
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hamas is the elected government. their charter states that it wants the destruction of Israel.


    if the charter stated "the destruction of Israel" (only in the occupied lands). I'd say you have more of an argument.

    you are only playing the victim card because one side is much stronger then the other. just because you are weak doesn't automatically make you the victim.

    Israel has no claim of legitimacy until it withdraws to the 1967 borders and begins complying with international law. If after that happens certain elements of the Palestinians continue to attack Israelis I guarantee you that you will hear me criticizing these Palestinian elements just as vehemently.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Israel has no claim of legitimacy until it withdraws to the 1967 borders and begins complying with international law. If after that happens certain elements of the Palestinians continue to attack Israelis I guarantee you that you will hear me criticizing these Palestinian elements just as vehemently.
    disagree on first sentence, agree on second. I'll take a split anyday!! :D
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    really? they can make the gaza strip a parking lot if they wanted. or dont put any blame on the corruption of hamas and palastinian authority for the misfortune's of the people. . I'm sure they only look out for the best for everybody.

    there are many innocent victims on both sides. i think they both qualify

    Both sides are guilty and both have innocent victims. But one side is using too much force on an already terribly crippled opponent.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you dont see this as a problem?


    if the aim of it was to instill hatred and the will to harm innocents into those children, then yes, it is a big problem....

    now, where do you stand on the videos and article about the letters i posted?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no absolutely not. US children are taught american history

    that;s a pretty subjective term...they are taught history book history
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and say the pledge.

    are you ok w/ some schools punishing kids for not stand for the pledge of allegience?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so teaching some sort of pride in your country is bad thing?

    no, but don't whitewash it...don't act like we are the holy savior for democracy, humanity and all that is good that does no wrong and the world should bow at our feet and thank us for 'protecting' them
    jlew24asu wrote:
    kids are taught and encouraged to speak their minds.

    are you talking about kindergarten-high school???? if so, then i say hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa there is a certain line that must be towed, a certain order and schedule that must be obeyed
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and continues throughout their education....your telling me, college professors teach that america is the all powerful? you are way off on this one. escpically when trying to compare it to the video in question. NOT EVEN
    CLOSE.

    if you are talking college and higher eductaion then, yes, those things are certainly taught...but your common sense should tell you how obviously far more go to kindergarten-high school where those things on average are NOT taught than go to college

    what about the nationalizm when we commit crimes like the invasion of panama?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    personally, I think what you wrote is a bunch of bullshit. history is history......its up to the reader to find out more, locate different sources, opinions, etc.

    like I said, go to any college campus in america and you will find professors teaching how wrong and evil our country can be.

    History isn't history. Most books written about George Armstrong Custer praise him as an American hero. The truth of the matter is that even his own men despised him, and he was a rapist and murderer of pregnant women and children. Howard Zinn's history isn't the same history as you find in most orthodox text books.
    Intellectuals have a responsibility to tell it from as many angles as they can. Ultimately they have a responsibility to tell the truth. It isn't right that a lecturer or author of a textbook should omit certain things and focus on others to the detriment of the truth. That is tantamount to lying.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Byrnzie wrote:
    History isn't history. Most books written about George Armstrong Custer praise him as an American hero. The truth of the matter is that even his own men despised him, and he was a rapist and murderer of pregnant women and children. Howard Zinn's history isn't the same history as you find in most orthodox text books.
    Intellectuals have a responsibility to tell it from as many angles as they can. Ultimately they have a responsibility to tell the truth. It isn't right that a lecturer or author of a textbook should omit certain things and focus on others to the detriment of the truth. That is tantamount to lying.

    It is lying.

    There is another point of view on the writing of political history, and I don't remember who said it. It was said: "History should be re-written every 20 years."
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    disagree on first sentence, agree on second. I'll take a split anyday!! :D

    The land belongs to palestine not Isreal, So what claim does Isreal have? It's an illegal occupation full stop.

    If Isreal wanted peace they wouldn't steal peoples land, what is wrong with what they were given?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    gue_barium wrote:
    There is another point of view on the writing of political history, and I don't remember who said it. It was said: "History should be re-written every 20 years."

    I'd go along with that.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    NCfan wrote:
    trying to offer the Middle East nearly 800 years of Western enlightenment stretching all the way back to the Magna Carta is horrific?????

    That made me laugh... 800 years of western enlightenment! Try checking out western history before making those claims! Looks like the western world is trying to impose THEIR values on the eastern world (history repeating itself...).

    Western culture and values are no better or worse than eastern culture and values.... Also, looking back centuries, try checking out how much our western culture (including arts, science, maths, language, etc. ) owes to 'eastern enlightenment' - you will be surprised.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    spiral out wrote:
    If Isreal wanted peace they wouldn't steal peoples land,
    And continue to expand their 'settlements', depriving palestinian families of their land & home (I mean personal land - orchards, fields and family homes being destroyed...), infrastructure (roads blocked and no longer accessible bar for israelis, water being diverted to the settlements, leaving palestinian homes high and dry, etc...) These are just a couple of examples.... the list is long. One cannot be surprised that these actions propagate hatred.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:

    now, where do you stand on the videos and article about the letters i posted?
    the same as I feel about the video I posted. its sickening.
  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    Byrnzie wrote:
    It's not quite like that though is it. Only an idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this.

    Let me state that I'm not calling you personally an idiot. I am simply stating my belief that only an Idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this. Israel has been engaged in a brutal military occupation for the past 40 years and is supported 100% by the worlds only superpower. They are oppressing a people who are struggling to feed themselves, and who are living in a state of extreme poverty and desperation. Therefore: only an Idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this. I hope this brand of logic doesn't get me banned again.

    No worries Byrnzie i can definitely be an idiot, i used to be a massive patriot so you wouldnt be way off the mark.

    You definitely wouldnt be way off the mark if i actually meant what i wrote, however for an Englishman you're not very good at picking up on piss taking:p
    I was just holding up a mirror to the thread starter its all i can be bothered with regarding that shit anymore.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Specifics wrote:
    No worries Byrnzie i can definitely be an idiot, i used to be a massive patriot so you wouldnt be way off the mark.

    You definitely wouldnt be way off the mark if i actually meant what i wrote, however for an Englishman you're not very good at picking up on piss taking:p
    I was just holding up a mirror to the thread starter its all i can be bothered with regarding that shit anymore.

    Relax man. I knew your post was a piss take. I also knew that some here would take the gist of it seriously.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Some more examples of a Palestinian Kindergarten graduation ceremony...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0&mode=related&search=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq6ccvwbvfY&mode=related&search=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzNPZf-5aO4
  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Relax man. I knew your post was a piss take. I also knew that some here would take the gist of it seriously.

    NO I WONT F*"%ING RELAX!!!!

    ok i will......

    i kind of liked being called an idiot anyway, fuck it i like being an idiot.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    does Israel teach their children the same way? i'm just curious


    http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1468wmv&ak=null

    In answer to your question. Yes, it does.

    http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=7254

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