I dont know. maybe partly because they are the only free democracy in the entire region and have several countries hoping for its destruction.
Palestine has elected leaders...anyway, so what if Israel is a democracy...? that and 3 to 5 bucks will get me a cup of coffee...
why can't the democracy of Israel address it's own issues...? yup, it's too bad they are surrounded by people who dislike them...I say let them deal with it...
not really...we have our own system of indoctrinating children to the American way of thinking...albeit, less subtle...
Seriously! We teach kids how they are supposed to be proud of our military and give them the utmost respect. We sell it to them as courageous and brave. Killing??!!! We always say support the troops...the troops doing the same killing that being done by the people on the otherside. How can one side be so sick and the otherside be so accepted? There's not that huge of a difference.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Palestine has elected leaders...anyway, so what if Israel is a democracy...? that and 3 to 5 bucks will get me a cup of coffee...
why can't the democracy of Israel address it's own issues...? yup, it's too bad they are surrounded by people who dislike them...I say let them deal with it...
Seriously! We teach kids how they are supposed to be proud of our military and give them the utmost respect. We sell it to them as courageous and brave. Killing??!!! We always say support the troops...the troops doing the same killing that being done by the people on the otherside. How can one side be so sick and the otherside be so accepted? There's not that huge of a difference.
exactly...every morning in school...Pledge of Allegiance...
before every sporting event...the Star Spangled Banner....
In movies, USA good...everyone else bad...
USA chants when the villainous Iron Sheik enters the ring...
all subtle, all powerful..."we are better that you because I was born here and you weren't"....just look at this Immigration debate crap...suddenly, people are up in arms because "illegals are bleeding our system dry" (honestly, I was one of those up in arms for a bit)...but for some reason, it's ok for the American born citizens to live off the system...
exactly...every morning in school...Pledge of Allegiance...
before every sporting event...the Star Spangled Banner....
In movies, USA good...everyone else bad...
USA chants when the villainous Iron Sheik enters the ring...
all subtle, all powerful..."we are better that you because I was born here and you weren't"....just look at this Immigration debate crap...suddenly, people are up in arms because "illegals are bleeding our system dry" (honestly, I was one of those up in arms for a bit)...but for some reason, it's ok for the American born citizens to live off the system...
There's probably the same percentage of people here that take pride in our killing as in the numerous other 'bad guy' countries. When are people gonna tire of pulling for their team to prevail and start pulling for the human race to win?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
exactly...every morning in school...Pledge of Allegiance...
before every sporting event...the Star Spangled Banner....
In movies, USA good...everyone else bad...
wow, you really feel the singing star spangled banner is the same as a 7 year old marching around with a machine gun praising allah and ready to give up his life for him?
yea, no point in debating this. we are miles apart in our opinions.
all subtle, all powerful..."we are better that you because I was born here and you weren't"....just look at this Immigration debate crap...suddenly, people are up in arms because "illegals are bleeding our system dry" (honestly, I was one of those up in arms for a bit)...but for some reason, it's ok for the American born citizens to live off the system...
yes it ok for an american born citizen to live off the system. you know why? because he/she pays for that system. an illegal immigrant does not.
i want to even up the playing field.....both sides do bad for sure....i want peace as much as the next man.....i hate war tooo...i see both sides!...
But
all muslims kill for breakfast chop heads off for dinner and blow themselves up instead of going to bed (i wish the guy at the corner shop would wipe the blood of his face before he serves me, dirty bastard)..... israel just cower until they cant take anymore and then cry at the injustice of having to kill the beautiful palestinians....when they stop fighting for their freedom and succumb to my superiority we can stop killing them....peace is all well and good but how do i get to justify my existence if we're not killing anybody?...
wow, you really feel the singing star spangled banner is the same as a 7 year old marching around with a machine gun praising allah and ready to give up his life for him?
yea, no point in debating this. we are miles apart in our opinions.
the same, no...similar, yes...I know that some things are not a concrete as you would like them to be...let me ask you this, do you agree with my point that US children are indoctrinated into the "America is the Best" mindset...? please don't read into that question as if I'm saying it's "wrong"....
yes it ok for an american born citizen to live off the system. you know why? because he/she pays for that system. an illegal immigrant does not.
I like to call it common sense.
please don't get smarmy with the "common sense" crap...
anyway, so you're ok with the families who live off the system from generation to generation, without paying into the system...? Trust me, it happens more that you want to know....How about the people of fake disability in order to get a check...?
and if you're issue is with Illegals not paying into the system, are you in support of granting legal status, thus allowing them to join us in paying into the system...?
There's probably the same percentage of people here that take pride in our killing as in the numerous other 'bad guy' countries. When are people gonna tire of pulling for their team to prevail and start pulling for the human race to win?
right on, sister...!!
when are you crazy kids gonna get to the beach...?
the same, no...similar, yes...I know that some things are not a concrete as you would like them to be...let me ask you this, do you agree with my point that US children are indoctrinated into the "America is the Best" mindset...? please don't read into that question as if I'm saying it's "wrong"....
no absolutely not. US children are taught american history and say the pledge. so teaching some sort of pride in your country is bad thing? kids are taught and encouraged to speak their minds. and continues throughout their education....your telling me, college professors teach that america is the all powerful? you are way off on this one. escpically when trying to compare it to the video in question. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
please don't get smarmy with the "common sense" crap...
anyway, so you're ok with the families who live off the system from generation to generation, without paying into the system...? Trust me, it happens more that you want to know....How about the people of fake disability in order to get a check...?
no I dont support them for doing that. its nice to make up shit though. show me statistics of these people you mention compared to illegal immigrants.
and if you're issue is with Illegals not paying into the system, are you in support of granting legal status, thus allowing them to join us in paying into the system...?
yes, I support a guest worker program and a program to put them on a path to citizenship.
actually, no I havent. Wiki has a good article on it though (child soldiers I mean)
and as for american history, don't even get me started on that. The only time a history class actually teaches true history and not some watered down shit that is actually "america no. 1!" is in college if someone is fortunate enough to have to opportunity to experience it. But that's another thread, and I don't want to hijack this one. Unless you want me to.
actually, no I havent. Wiki has a good article on it though (child soldiers I mean)
and as for american history, don't even get me started on that. The only time a history class actually teaches true history and not some watered down shit that is actually "america no. 1!" is in college if someone is fortunate enough to have to opportunity to experience it. But that's another thread, and I don't want to hijack this one. Unless you want me to.
post whatever you want. I took a great american history class in high school. I still have the book and use it as a reference. I also went to a private school. I dont know much about the public school system and these so called "false" history classes.
post whatever you want. I took a great american history class in high school. I still have the book and use it as a reference. I also went to a private school. I dont know much about the public school system and these so called "false" history classes.
pick up an average american history textbook for a public highschool class and then cross reference it with actual history books that don't have an agenda. Public school textbooks are chosen by a small committee who decides if a book is just right by their standards. These standards include if america is always shown in a good light, if there are absolutely no references in which the american government did something questionable, no references to the class divisions that have persisted throughout american history, nor any of the questionable actions taken by ANY presidents in american history. What do you have when you exclude everything that may show that a country made mistakes, its leaders made immoral choices, and that they have not always been the best example of wholesome country? You have a book that reinforces the "we're number one. no one can touch us" feeling. By the way, the committee that chooses the books, depending on their mood can either completely decide against using a book or ask the author to censor himself, and change his own work.
Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying that history classes should consist of "Jackson was an native america killer! Look at what the american government did over there! they really messed that up!". But when you exclude facts that criticize a country, you are only building a road that leads to a path of blind patriotism and a false sense of history. And that goes with any country, not just america.
pick up an average american history textbook for a public highschool class and then cross reference it with actual history books that don't have an agenda. Public school textbooks are chosen by a small committee who decides if a book is just right by their standards. These standards include if america is always shown in a good light, if there are absolutely no references in which the american government did something questionable, no references to the class divisions that have persisted throughout american history, nor any of the questionable actions taken by ANY presidents in american history. What do you have when you exclude everything that may show that a country made mistakes, its leaders made immoral choices, and that they have not always been the best example of wholesome country? You have a book that reinforces the "we're number one. no one can touch us" feeling. By the way, the committee that chooses the books, depending on their mood can either completely decide against using a book or ask the author to censor himself, and change his own work.
Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying that history classes should consist of "Jackson was an native america killer! Look at what the american government did over there! they really messed that up!". But when you exclude fats that criticize a country, you are only building a road that leads to a path of blind patriotism and a false sense of history. And that goes with any country, not just america.
personally, I think what you wrote is a bunch of bullshit. history is history. find me a history book that doesnt mention the civil war. thats enough right there to make one think in disgust how bad we can and once were. history books will also mention all wars we fought it. its up to the reader to find out more, locate different sources, opinions, etc.
like I said, go to any college campus in america and you will find professors teaching how wrong and evil our country can be.
personally, I think what you wrote is a bunch of bullshit. history is history. find me a history book that doesnt mention the civil war. thats enough right there to make one think in disgust how bad we can and once were. history books will also mention all wars we fought it. its up to the reader to find out more, locate different sources, opinions, etc.
like I said, go to any college campus in america and you will find professors teaching how wrong and evil our country can be.
Wars are glorified in school text books.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
personally, I think what you wrote is a bunch of bullshit. history is history. find me a history book that doesnt mention the civil war. thats enough right there to make one think in disgust how bad we can and once were. history books will also mention all wars we fought it. its up to the reader to find out more, locate different sources, opinions, etc.
like I said, go to any college campus in america and you will find professors teaching how wrong and evil our country can be.
Well good fucking thing I said fucking highschool hmm? College is different because the professors dont have to put up with the same bullshit as a PUBLICLY funded school. Did I say it didnt mention the civil war? No, i don't fucking believe I did. But I haven't seen one fucking highschool history book mention that Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Nor have I seen one article mentioning The american-mexican war, which was started by Polk, you know, the president of the united states of america at the time. Or maybe how bout chemical weaponry being used against native americans at a peace treaty? Nope, not a fucking word. Do some fucking research on Woodrow Wilson. You want find anything about his segregation of the federal government or his military interventions in foreign countries in any fucking highschool history book. Don't sit there and tell me what I'm saying is bullshit when it's backed up by fact after fact after fucking fact when the only thing you got is your own opinion that's not backed up by shit. By the way, whens the last time you set your eyes on an highschool american history textbook. I can promise you that it was longer than the last time I've seen one. Go ahead and wallow in the shit you spew. History IS history. But when history is written by man, and what is written in changed by other men to fit their agenda, it's not the true history. Students of the public education system aren't getting the full ride. They get the disney shit cause people like you don't want america to have any dim spots. So see this shiny shit they've been seeing their whole life.
By the way, let me ask you something. When you're 16 and are being taught something and being told that it is fact and the truth, and undeniable history, why the fuck would you not trust your teacher and go research that shit on your own?
Well good fucking thing I said fucking highschool hmm? College is different because the professors dont have to put up with the same bullshit as a PUBLICLY funded school. Did I say it didnt mention the civil war? No, i don't fucking believe I did. But I haven't seen one fucking highschool history book mention that Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Nor have I seen one article mentioning The american-mexican war, which was started by Polk, you know, the president of the united states of america at the time. Or maybe how bout chemical weaponry being used against native americans at a peace treaty? Nope, not a fucking word. Do some fucking research on Woodrow Wilson. You want find anything about his segregation of the federal government or his military interventions in foreign countries in any fucking highschool history book. Don't sit there and tell me what I'm saying is bullshit when it's backed up by fact after fact after fucking fact when the only thing you got is your own opinion that's not backed up by shit. By the way, whens the last time you set your years on an highschool american history textbook. I can promise you that it was longer than the last time I've seen one. Go ahead and wallow in the shit you spew. History IS history. But when history is written by man, and what is written in changed by other men to fit their agenda, it's not the true history. Students of the public education system aren't getting the full ride. They get the disney shit cause people like you don't want america to have any dim spots. So see this shiny shit they've been seeing their whole life.
By the way, let me ask you something. When you're 16 and are being taught something and being told that it is fact and the truth, and undeniable history, why the fuck would you not trust your teacher and go research that shit on your own?
Please explain to me why my post doesn't make sense? This is my problem. I lay out EXACTLY why I believe what I do, and all the liberals on this board just come back with "that's bullshit" or "quit taking your con talking points from Foxnews".
Maybe I would agree with you, or maybe you could alter my views if you could offer something up. But you never do! This is another perfect example of it.
So I never offer anything up? I disagree. I nearly always back up my arguments with links and sources, dates and times e.t.c. O.k, you want me to explain why I don't agree with the following? Sure. Let's take a look at it...
America got hit on 9/11, and so we try to introduce pluralistic politics to the Middle East in an attempt to open societies and offer higher standards of living, equality among the sexes and sexual orientations, freedom of religion and above all HOPE so that desperation does not turn into another massive suicide attack in which thousands are killed. Does that not make sense to you???
The reason I said it doesn't make sense, and therefore qualifies as being the opposite of sense - (Dictionary definition: 'words or language having little or no sense or meaning') is because 'we' (Our Governments) have not attempted to introduce freedom of religion, democracy e.t.c, to the Middle East as a response to 9/11. Iraq, and the Israel - Palestine issues have absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Do you think that invading and occupying a country, and tearing that country apart in the process, is an attempt by us in the West to bring HOPE to these people? And do you think that supporting Israel 100% and unilaterally blocking every U.N resolution in the past 40 years calling for a two-state solution and a withdrawal to the 1967 borders, is an attempt to bring hope and freedom to the Palestinians? Name just one example of where the U.S has offered a higher standard of living to any country in the Middle East. It's never happened.
It's like turning a 5-year-old into a suicide bomber is reasonable, yet trying to offer the Middle East nearly 800 years of Western enlightenment stretching all the way back to the Magna Carta is horrific????? How do you justify that to yourself, I would LOVE to know???
Again, this is a fantasy. The dictionary definition of fantasy: 'a supposition based on no solid foundation; visionary idea; illusion: dreams of Utopias and similar fantasies.' I risked being banned again for calling your comments a fantasy. But the dictionary definition still applies. I was banned the other day for stating the truth. I made a comment relating to a post of PP's stating that I didn't believe him. This was, and is, my sincere opinion. My opinion was then supported with links and examples of why I felt that way. I thought it was relevant to the thread topic at hand and wasn't a direct personal attack. I simply stated what a lot of other people felt, for reasons of clarity. I'm doing the same now. Sometimes we need to cipher out the chaff from the wheat. This often involves someone being slightly offended and having their pride dented. Boo hoo! We're talking about politics and war here. We can wallow about in fantasies, and untruths, lies and deceit, or we can counter such things head-on and attempt to arrive at something resembling the truth. Excuse me for being honest to myself and for making an effort. God forbid anyone's comfortable, Conservative bubble ever gets popped.
Let's get back to the post above. You believe that we are 'trying to offer the Middle East nearly 800 years of Western enlightenment stretching all the way back to the Magna Carta'? I would love for you to explain to me the why's and wherefore's of how you think 'we' are doing this. I may be missing something here. All I can see is one superpower, partially supported by one of it's blindly loyal poodles, bombing and invading, then occupying a sovereign nation based on lies and deception. This occupation has resulted in the almost total break-up of the country and an estimated 1 million civilian deaths. At what point during all of this carnage has nearly 800 years of Western enlightenment been introduced? Are we over there giving evening classes or something? Are we dropping copies of 'Voltaire' and 'The Critique of pure reason' from out the backs of chinook helicopters?
all muslims kill for breakfast chop heads off for dinner and blow themselves up instead of going to bed ..... israel just cower until they cant take anymore and then cry at the injustice of having to kill the beautiful palestinians
It's not quite like that though is it. Only an idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this.
Let me state that I'm not calling you personally an idiot. I am simply stating my belief that only an Idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this. Israel has been engaged in a brutal military occupation for the past 40 years and is supported 100% by the worlds only superpower. They are oppressing a people who are struggling to feed themselves, and who are living in a state of extreme poverty and desperation. Therefore: only an Idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this. I hope this brand of logic doesn't get me banned again.
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Yep, until you can explain to me why I shouldn't and I'm completely open to anything you'e got to say...
you'll have to be more clear in your question
what's the big deal about the vid you posted..? why do people in the US want to protect Israel like a little brother...?
I dont know. maybe partly because they are the only free democracy in the entire region and have several countries hoping for its destruction.
It doesn't have shit to do with democracy. Silly catch phrase. The US has helped topple plenty of those.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
not really...we have our own system of indoctrinating children to the American way of thinking...albeit, less subtle...
Palestine has elected leaders...anyway, so what if Israel is a democracy...? that and 3 to 5 bucks will get me a cup of coffee...
why can't the democracy of Israel address it's own issues...? yup, it's too bad they are surrounded by people who dislike them...I say let them deal with it...
Seriously! We teach kids how they are supposed to be proud of our military and give them the utmost respect. We sell it to them as courageous and brave. Killing??!!! We always say support the troops...the troops doing the same killing that being done by the people on the otherside. How can one side be so sick and the otherside be so accepted? There's not that huge of a difference.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
ok, I wont argue with you on this.
exactly...every morning in school...Pledge of Allegiance...
before every sporting event...the Star Spangled Banner....
In movies, USA good...everyone else bad...
USA chants when the villainous Iron Sheik enters the ring...
all subtle, all powerful..."we are better that you because I was born here and you weren't"....just look at this Immigration debate crap...suddenly, people are up in arms because "illegals are bleeding our system dry" (honestly, I was one of those up in arms for a bit)...but for some reason, it's ok for the American born citizens to live off the system...
There's probably the same percentage of people here that take pride in our killing as in the numerous other 'bad guy' countries. When are people gonna tire of pulling for their team to prevail and start pulling for the human race to win?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yea, no point in debating this. we are miles apart in our opinions.
yes it ok for an american born citizen to live off the system. you know why? because he/she pays for that system. an illegal immigrant does not.
I like to call it common sense.
But
all muslims kill for breakfast chop heads off for dinner and blow themselves up instead of going to bed (i wish the guy at the corner shop would wipe the blood of his face before he serves me, dirty bastard)..... israel just cower until they cant take anymore and then cry at the injustice of having to kill the beautiful palestinians....when they stop fighting for their freedom and succumb to my superiority we can stop killing them....peace is all well and good but how do i get to justify my existence if we're not killing anybody?...
the same, no...similar, yes...I know that some things are not a concrete as you would like them to be...let me ask you this, do you agree with my point that US children are indoctrinated into the "America is the Best" mindset...? please don't read into that question as if I'm saying it's "wrong"....
please don't get smarmy with the "common sense" crap...
anyway, so you're ok with the families who live off the system from generation to generation, without paying into the system...? Trust me, it happens more that you want to know....How about the people of fake disability in order to get a check...?
and if you're issue is with Illegals not paying into the system, are you in support of granting legal status, thus allowing them to join us in paying into the system...?
right on, sister...!!
when are you crazy kids gonna get to the beach...?
Hopefully very soon! It's way past due!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You watch that movie Blood Diamond?
no I dont support them for doing that. its nice to make up shit though. show me statistics of these people you mention compared to illegal immigrants.
yes, I support a guest worker program and a program to put them on a path to citizenship.
actually, no I havent. Wiki has a good article on it though (child soldiers I mean)
and as for american history, don't even get me started on that. The only time a history class actually teaches true history and not some watered down shit that is actually "america no. 1!" is in college if someone is fortunate enough to have to opportunity to experience it. But that's another thread, and I don't want to hijack this one. Unless you want me to.
pick up an average american history textbook for a public highschool class and then cross reference it with actual history books that don't have an agenda. Public school textbooks are chosen by a small committee who decides if a book is just right by their standards. These standards include if america is always shown in a good light, if there are absolutely no references in which the american government did something questionable, no references to the class divisions that have persisted throughout american history, nor any of the questionable actions taken by ANY presidents in american history. What do you have when you exclude everything that may show that a country made mistakes, its leaders made immoral choices, and that they have not always been the best example of wholesome country? You have a book that reinforces the "we're number one. no one can touch us" feeling. By the way, the committee that chooses the books, depending on their mood can either completely decide against using a book or ask the author to censor himself, and change his own work.
Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying that history classes should consist of "Jackson was an native america killer! Look at what the american government did over there! they really messed that up!". But when you exclude facts that criticize a country, you are only building a road that leads to a path of blind patriotism and a false sense of history. And that goes with any country, not just america.
like I said, go to any college campus in america and you will find professors teaching how wrong and evil our country can be.
Wars are glorified in school text books.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well good fucking thing I said fucking highschool hmm? College is different because the professors dont have to put up with the same bullshit as a PUBLICLY funded school. Did I say it didnt mention the civil war? No, i don't fucking believe I did. But I haven't seen one fucking highschool history book mention that Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Nor have I seen one article mentioning The american-mexican war, which was started by Polk, you know, the president of the united states of america at the time. Or maybe how bout chemical weaponry being used against native americans at a peace treaty? Nope, not a fucking word. Do some fucking research on Woodrow Wilson. You want find anything about his segregation of the federal government or his military interventions in foreign countries in any fucking highschool history book. Don't sit there and tell me what I'm saying is bullshit when it's backed up by fact after fact after fucking fact when the only thing you got is your own opinion that's not backed up by shit. By the way, whens the last time you set your eyes on an highschool american history textbook. I can promise you that it was longer than the last time I've seen one. Go ahead and wallow in the shit you spew. History IS history. But when history is written by man, and what is written in changed by other men to fit their agenda, it's not the true history. Students of the public education system aren't getting the full ride. They get the disney shit cause people like you don't want america to have any dim spots. So see this shiny shit they've been seeing their whole life.
By the way, let me ask you something. When you're 16 and are being taught something and being told that it is fact and the truth, and undeniable history, why the fuck would you not trust your teacher and go research that shit on your own?
take it easy, fella
My apologies. I did go over board. What can I say, it happens once in a while.
Forgive me then for misinterpreting your previous comment:
So I never offer anything up? I disagree. I nearly always back up my arguments with links and sources, dates and times e.t.c. O.k, you want me to explain why I don't agree with the following? Sure. Let's take a look at it...
The reason I said it doesn't make sense, and therefore qualifies as being the opposite of sense - (Dictionary definition: 'words or language having little or no sense or meaning') is because 'we' (Our Governments) have not attempted to introduce freedom of religion, democracy e.t.c, to the Middle East as a response to 9/11. Iraq, and the Israel - Palestine issues have absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Do you think that invading and occupying a country, and tearing that country apart in the process, is an attempt by us in the West to bring HOPE to these people? And do you think that supporting Israel 100% and unilaterally blocking every U.N resolution in the past 40 years calling for a two-state solution and a withdrawal to the 1967 borders, is an attempt to bring hope and freedom to the Palestinians? Name just one example of where the U.S has offered a higher standard of living to any country in the Middle East. It's never happened.
Again, this is a fantasy. The dictionary definition of fantasy: 'a supposition based on no solid foundation; visionary idea; illusion: dreams of Utopias and similar fantasies.' I risked being banned again for calling your comments a fantasy. But the dictionary definition still applies. I was banned the other day for stating the truth. I made a comment relating to a post of PP's stating that I didn't believe him. This was, and is, my sincere opinion. My opinion was then supported with links and examples of why I felt that way. I thought it was relevant to the thread topic at hand and wasn't a direct personal attack. I simply stated what a lot of other people felt, for reasons of clarity. I'm doing the same now. Sometimes we need to cipher out the chaff from the wheat. This often involves someone being slightly offended and having their pride dented. Boo hoo! We're talking about politics and war here. We can wallow about in fantasies, and untruths, lies and deceit, or we can counter such things head-on and attempt to arrive at something resembling the truth. Excuse me for being honest to myself and for making an effort. God forbid anyone's comfortable, Conservative bubble ever gets popped.
Let's get back to the post above. You believe that we are 'trying to offer the Middle East nearly 800 years of Western enlightenment stretching all the way back to the Magna Carta'? I would love for you to explain to me the why's and wherefore's of how you think 'we' are doing this. I may be missing something here. All I can see is one superpower, partially supported by one of it's blindly loyal poodles, bombing and invading, then occupying a sovereign nation based on lies and deception. This occupation has resulted in the almost total break-up of the country and an estimated 1 million civilian deaths. At what point during all of this carnage has nearly 800 years of Western enlightenment been introduced? Are we over there giving evening classes or something? Are we dropping copies of 'Voltaire' and 'The Critique of pure reason' from out the backs of chinook helicopters?
It's not quite like that though is it. Only an idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this.
Let me state that I'm not calling you personally an idiot. I am simply stating my belief that only an Idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this. Israel has been engaged in a brutal military occupation for the past 40 years and is supported 100% by the worlds only superpower. They are oppressing a people who are struggling to feed themselves, and who are living in a state of extreme poverty and desperation. Therefore: only an Idiot would believe that Israel is a victim in all of this. I hope this brand of logic doesn't get me banned again.