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Palestinian kindergarten graduation ceremony

jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
does Israel teach their children the same way? i'm just curious


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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    can you check the link jlew. i couldnt get it to work. :)
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    catefrances wrote:
    can you check the link jlew. i couldnt get it to work. :)

    thanks care. it took a long time it to load for me. some say winamp works best. I dont know.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    well what do you know. its working now. perhaps a little patience is required. though admittedly before it wouldnt even connect to the site let alone take time to open anything. ta jlew. :)
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  • OneLoveOneLove Posts: 563
    jlew24asu wrote:
    does Israel teach their children the same way? i'm just curious


    http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1468wmv&ak=null


    That was disturbing. I feel it is important to point out that this was a HAMAS kindergarten graudation though... not a PALESTINIAN one. That is a crucial distinction.

    HAMAS is a primarily palestinian organization. That does not mean that palestinian = hamas.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    disturbing? why? I think propaganda is funny.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    OneLove wrote:
    That was disturbing. I feel it is important to point out that this was a HAMAS kindergarten graudation though... not a PALESTINIAN one. That is a crucial distinction.

    HAMAS is a primarily palestinian organization. That does not mean that palestinian = hamas.
    hamas was/is the elected government. thats like saying democrats and republicans are not americans.
  • OneLoveOneLove Posts: 563
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hamas was/is the elected government. thats like saying democrats and republicans are not americans.


    No, its more like saying not all americans are Republicans. Just because we happen to have a Republican in charge right now does not make all of us Republicans any more than it makes all Palestinians Hamas believers.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hamas was/is the elected government. thats like saying democrats and republicans are not americans.
    ...
    No... he has it right.
    All Hamas is Palestinian... just as all Democrats and Republicans are Americans.
    Not all Palestinians are Hamas... just as not all Americans are Democrats... and not all americans are Republicans.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    ok great. have we established that hamas is palestinian? great. how bout them schools huh? fuck Israel.
  • OneLoveOneLove Posts: 563
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    No... he has it right.
    All Hamas is Palestinian... just as all Democrats and Republicans are Americans.
    Not all Palestinians are Hamas... just as not all Americans are Democrats... and not all americans are Republicans.

    I understand what you are saying...

    I just ment to point out that labeling something as Palestinian, when it does not represent all Palestinians, gives it a false pretense (Hamas has a slim majority in the gov't, from what I understand).

    That is how propaganda gets people worked up... it leaves the consumer presuming absolutes while pointing out extremes.

    Imagine someone in Palestine, since we are talking about it... watching one of the political ads (or worse) from last election time, and thinking that is how all Americans feel.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ok great. have we established that hamas is palestinian? great. how bout them schools huh? fuck Israel.
    ...
    Didn't see the video... work computer and firewalls and network sniffers and shit... but, i get the gist. Anti-Israel... Hate Israel... Kill Israel... right?
    That's typical of many Arab states... although, Kintergarten is pretty young to get them on the road to bomb vests. At least the Pakistanis wait til they are about 9 or 10... and the Saudis don't get them til they reach their teens.
    ...
    And yes... I abhor it. Just as I abhor Israel's occupation. I think both the Palestinians and Israelis are shitheads who really don't care if their kids grow up to kill each other. It's like a fucking way of life for BOTH those assholes.
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  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    i can see where the 'jesus camps' get thier influence from.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Didn't see the video... work computer and firewalls and network sniffers and shit... but, i get the gist. Anti-Israel... Hate Israel... Kill Israel... right?

    no no. absolutely not. Israel is not mentioned once in this video. it shows kindergartener's dressed in full military gear with fake machine guns marching around in a classroom doing military drills praising Allah and saying how they will die for him.
    That's typical of many Arab states... although, Kintergarten is pretty young to get them on the road to bomb vests. At least the Pakistanis wait til they are about 9 or 10... and the Saudis don't get them til they reach their teens.
    well its typical so I guess it makes it ok. after all its Israel who is the bad guy.
    ...
    And yes... I abhor it. Just as I abhor Israel's occupation. I think both the Palestinians and Israelis are shitheads who really don't care if their kids grow up to kill each other. It's like a fucking way of life for BOTH those assholes.
    really? Israel does the same thing to its children? seriously?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no no. absolutely not. Israel is not mentioned once in this video. it shows kindergartener's dressed in full military gear with fake machine guns marching around in a classroom doing military drills praising Allah and saying how they will die for him.

    well its typical so I guess it makes it ok. after all its Israel who is the bad guy.
    ...

    really? Israel does the same thing to its children? seriously?
    ...
    The only comment I'm going to make about this response is that you take each line out individually... and thus, out of context. Nothing worthwhile here for me to address.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    The only comment I'm going to make about this response is that you take each line out individually... and thus, out of context. Nothing worthwhile here for me to address.
    how is this out of context? you didnt even watch the video. I was telling you whats on it. then you mention they both treat their children the same. which isnt true. Cosmo the great has nothing to say?


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  • OneLoveOneLove Posts: 563
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how is this out of context? you didnt even watch the video. I was telling you whats on it. then you mention they both treat their children the same. which isnt true. Cosmo the great has nothing to say?


    ...

    Someone is just itching for a fight tonite, no? ;)

    Good luck baiting someone in to this fight.
    All of the sudden I feel the urge to find a dead horse and beat it. Perhaps I already did.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how is this out of context? you didnt even watch the video. I was telling you whats on it. then you mention they both treat their children the same. which isnt true. Cosmo the great has nothing to say?


    ...
    ...
    Yup. I have nothing to say if there is nothing worthwhile to address.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    OneLove wrote:
    Someone is just itching for a fight tonite, no? ;)

    Good luck baiting someone in to this fight.
    All of the sudden I feel the urge to find a dead horse and beat it. Perhaps I already did.
    I'd like to see the usual suspects come out but they wont.

    i'll just patiently wait for the "Israel killed another child thread" to appear
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Yup. I have nothing to say if there is nothing worthwhile to address.
    go jayhawks

    ...
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'd like to see the usual suspects come out but they wont.

    i'll just patiently wait for the "Israel killed another child thread" to appear

    Keep on waitin and baitin...

    Your video doesn't prove anything any more than the pics of the little Israeli girls signing the bombs were going to Lebanon last year. Neither examples speaks for those groups of people as a whole.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    I find it much more disturbing that our DEAR LEADER says he talks to God. God tells him he's righteous and who the "axis of evil" is and that roughly half of our ADULT population buys into this shit.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Neither examples speaks for those groups of people as a whole.
    I agree with that. but dont pretend this type of activity isn't the norm in a large portion of islamic society. compared to israel, america, or europe
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    binger wrote:
    I find it much more disturbing that our DEAR LEADER says he talks to God. God tells him he's righteous and who the "axis of evil" is and that roughly half of our ADULT population buys into this shit.
    you find it much more disturbing then the video you just saw? those are little kids dude or dudette.
  • OneLoveOneLove Posts: 563
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'd like to see the usual suspects come out but they wont.

    i'll just patiently wait for the "Israel killed another child thread" to appear


    I trust you won't be waiting long.

    I have to admit, as far as propaganda goes, that is effective. No one wants to think that 5 year olds could be subjected to brainwashing like this. It happens everywhere though, to some extent.

    Then intellect takes over and I realize that the only way to have an honest dialogue is to understand that there are humans on both sides of the conflict who are innocent. Rather than focusing on the radicalized segments of society, perhaps focusing on the good that exists in all walks of life & encouraging those people to find their voice and affect change is the way to go.

    Or, we could just keep throwing bombs and pointing at "those people" who are all wrong, while we are all right. Its a luxury I enjoy sitting here and attemtping to fix world problems from the comfort of my home.

    Last I checked no one was keeping me in a police state, or blowing themselves up to kill others around them. So I guess its pretty easy for me to judge either of them, since I have NO IDEA what the have gone through as combative societys for decades.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    OneLove wrote:
    I trust you won't be waiting long.

    I have to admit, as far as propaganda goes, that is effective. No one wants to think that 5 year olds could be subjected to brainwashing like this. It happens everywhere though, to some extent.
    what bothers me is to the great extent it is, in palastine, saudia arbia, pakistan, etc.
    OneLove wrote:
    Then intellect takes over and I realize that the only way to have an honest dialogue is to understand that there are humans on both sides of the conflict who are innocent. Rather than focusing on the radicalized segments of society, perhaps focusing on the good that exists in all walks of life & encouraging those people to find their voice and affect change is the way to go.

    Or, we could just keep throwing bombs and pointing at "those people" who are all wrong, while we are all right. Its a luxury I enjoy sitting here and attemtping to fix world problems from the comfort of my home.

    Last I checked no one was keeping me in a police state, or blowing themselves up to kill others around them. So I guess its pretty easy for me to judge either of them, since I have NO IDEA what the have gone through as combative societys for decades.
    well said.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I agree with that. but dont pretend this type of activity isn't the norm in a large portion of islamic society. compared to israel, america, or europe


    Each of these societies has their own unique way of disregarding human life.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Isn't there a movie called Jesus Camp where they dress up kids in fatigues and tell them they are going to be soldiers in gods war? This is what im reminded regarding this video.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I agree with that. but dont pretend this type of activity isn't the norm in a large portion of islamic society. compared to israel, america, or europe


    Israel is innocent. It doesn't send it's children to kill Palestinians. It waits until they are old enough to do their forced military service, and then lets them go and kill Palestinian men, women, and children. Israeli children mostly live lives of wealth and prosperity. They are good, moral, upstanding citizens who respect the lives of all people. The Palestinians as a whole are inherently evil and sadistic, and therefore they should be herded into Apartheid style bantustans and bombed and sniped at will.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Israel is innocent. It doesn't send it's children to kill Palestinians. It waits until they are old enough to do their forced military service, and then lets them go and kill Palestinian men, women, and children. Israeli children mostly live lives of wealth and prosperity. They are good, moral, upstanding citizens who respect the lives of all people. The Palestinians as a whole are inherently evil and sadistic, and therefore they should be herded into Apartheid style bantustans and bombed and sniped at will.

    I never said Israel is innocent.

    I guess it would be nice to know the % of children who go through this type of graduation. if it's 1%, I'd so no big deal. someone mentioned those jesus camps and they are equally as sickening.

    I also wonder how your attitude would be if you saw Israel children doing the same thing. is it safe to say would be outraged? safe to say you'd make your own thread showing this outrageousness?
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