Mindless Sheep? Enlighten Me.....

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  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    NOCODE#1 wrote:
    you can't reason with the "true america" :rolleyes: Any college level graduate knows that socialism was their veiled reference to racism. kudos! Since it's in the "true america" 's mindset that blacks are un american, they made any association they could to link those perceptions together.
    You have finally answered my question. Spouting racism when anyone points out Obama's faults. Remember when the Obama camp said McCain would resort to racism before he ever and never did? This is what I call propaganda. Calling Obama a socialist is not racist. So every time someone questions him, they are racist?
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    nathanastin wrote:
    I call them assholes because they act like jerks when anyone wants to ask some questions they don't agree with. I didn't say anyone following Obama is mindless; a lot of brilliant and thoughtful people follow him.

    really...?
    you wrote:
    Yet, I have never seen such mindless following as with Messiah Obama

    :rolleyes:
    nathanastin wrote:
    However, I do see a lot of mindless following of him and am only trying to point out the hypocrisy that comes from a lot of Obama followers who attack those who follow religions.

    this makes no sense...

    Obama is a person, religion is, well, religion...
  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    I don't "get" the redistribution of wealth that is being talked about in the media and elsewhere.

    I don't seem to recall wealthy republicans bitching when the wealth was redistributed in their direction 7-8 years ago.
  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    NOCODE#1 wrote:
    Remember all this socialism came from a quip to a supposed plumber.
    Obama has said it more than that.
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  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    inmytree wrote:
    really...?



    :rolleyes:



    this makes no sense...

    Obama is a person, religion is, well, religion...
    Worshiping Obama or a person is religion
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    nathanastin wrote:
    I saw as much if not more negative campaining from Obama. I am not saying that Obama is a terrorist at all. I am saying that he has associated himself with bad people and that shows a lack of judgment. Or he uses bad people to get what he wants. Redistribution of wealth is socialism. Obama said he would do that at least twice on the record. I actually do not follow the GOP and have only pointed out what I have learned from a variety of sources all across the spectrum.

    so - everyone you've ever come across are angels? ... someone can easily link mccain to a bunch of people too ... like rove, bush, etc ...

    in case you don't know but you live in a socialistic country by your definition ... under bush, reagan, clinton, etc ...

    again - there is plenty to question but unfortunately all you are bringing up is the recycled GOP campaign stuff ... there's no substance there ... as a socialist - i can tell you Obama is NO socialist ... calling him one has no basis whatsoever ...
  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    anotherclone wrote:
    I don't "get" the redistribution of wealth that is being talked about in the media and elsewhere.

    I don't seem to recall wealthy republicans bitching when the wealth was redistributed in their direction 7-8 years ago.
    It wasn't redistributed their way; just less was taken from them and given to others. If you punish people for succeeding, you are destroying the American dream. Also, those that make a ton of money have ways of hiding (Hollywood types, CEOs, etc.) It's the guys making $200,000 to a million that will be screwed.
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  • NOCODE#1
    NOCODE#1 Posts: 1,477
    nathanastin wrote:
    You have finally answered my question. Spouting racism when anyone points out Obama's faults. Remember when the Obama camp said McCain would resort to racism before he ever and never did? This is what I call propaganda. Calling Obama a socialist is not racist. So every time someone questions him, they are racist?


    you got me.

    if you don't believe the Reich's backdoor shot at calling him a racist was not socialism they maybe you need a sheering :)

    for god sakes an off the cuff remark to a blue-collar bullshitter was the Reichs opening for racism/socialism and it didnt work.
    Let's not be negative now. Thumper has spoken
  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    polaris wrote:
    so - everyone you've ever come across are angels? ... someone can easily link mccain to a bunch of people too ... like rove, bush, etc ...

    in case you don't know but you live in a socialistic country by your definition ... under bush, reagan, clinton, etc ...

    again - there is plenty to question but unfortunately all you are bringing up is the recycled GOP campaign stuff ... there's no substance there ... as a socialist - i can tell you Obama is NO socialist ... calling him one has no basis whatsoever ...
    I never said they were angels; far from it. He is much closer to a socialist than anyone we've had in the white house.
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  • NOCODE#1
    NOCODE#1 Posts: 1,477
    nathanastin wrote:
    It wasn't redistributed their way; just less was taken from them and given to others.
    so you were against it before you were before it?

    wow

    this sounds like vanilla ice explaining how ice ice baby wasnt pressure by Bowie.
    Let's not be negative now. Thumper has spoken
  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    NOCODE#1 wrote:
    you got me.

    if you don't believe the Reich's backdoor shot at calling him a racist was not socialism they maybe you need a sheering :)

    for god sakes an off the cuff remark to a blue-collar bullshitter was the Reichs opening for racism/socialism and it didnt work.
    I love how you call it the Reich; the epitome of hate-speech and ironic considering the German Reich was socialistic. As I have pointed out, Obama has said it more than to Joe the plumber. I guess I need a sheering because you can't pull that wool over my eyes :)
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  • Ms. Haiku
    Ms. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,381
    nathanastin wrote:
    **Please no hate-filled rants and propaganda; just an honest debate and discussion wanted**

    I hear a lot from the left and most on here that those on the religious side are mindless sheep. Yet, I have never seen such mindless following as with Messiah Obama. People weep over this man that has done nothing in his political career but spout "change." That is just rhetoric and will amount to nothing over his term. If you think he will immediately pull the troops out you're crazy. The economy will take a long time to fix itself. The only change I see coming is socialism.

    I understand Bush has been a failure, but what has Obama done? He got into politics through a corrupt ploy. He is a one term senator that knows how to speak. He took a billion dollars in pork for Illinois in only a couple years (I consider pork to be the epitome of corruption and disgusting political maneuvering; and I know both sides do it).

    I need enlightened on why so many people are so enamored over this figurehead. I see it as indoctrination in the schools and especially universities, considering that 95% or so of professors are extremely liberal.

    I can understand that you hate Bush and you are happy that he is gone, but complete messianic worship for a politician, and that is what he is is sad. Obama got lucky that the economy tanked at the right time. Only 9% of voters said terrorism was their top priority, which shows to me that Bush has done some good by slowing the tide.

    Obama has surrounded himself with terrorists (Ayers, Khalidi) and hate-filled and racist spiritual leader (Wright). What makes you think he will have better judgment?

    I could go on and on, but am just wanting some help here. I do want to honestly understand.
    I don't see mindless worship of Obama, I see a passionate response towards possible change. It's been a while, but I'm sure the response was close but not completely similar to when Clinton was elected. This was an historic election, afterall. That is the tremendous part!

    If Republicans didn't want change then the current president would have had a bigger role in supporting McCain. When the dust has settled the passionate response to the win will become an anxious anticipation. So much we didn't know could happen has happened in the past 8 years, and it's safe to assume that we don't know what is in store.
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  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    NOCODE#1 wrote:
    so you were against it before you were before it?

    wow

    this sounds like vanilla ice explaining how ice ice baby wasnt pressure by Bowie.
    What does that even mean? I am against unfair taxation. We shouldn't take from some and give to others. It's fundamentally against what America was founded on. We should have a flat tax.
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  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    nathanastin wrote:
    It wasn't redistributed their way; just less was taken from them and given to others. If you punish people for succeeding, you are destroying the American dream. Also, those that make a ton of money have ways of hiding (Hollywood types, CEOs, etc.) It's the guys making $200,000 to a million that will be screwed.

    lol...you're a funny one.

    isn't "less taken from them" (thereby increasing their net income), and "given to others" the same as "redistribution"?

    I suppose if a person makes $200,000 to a million isn't a fan of "redistribution", then perhaps they should have rallied more of their folks to vote for McCain or elsewhere. Too bad the middle class saw it differently.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,705
    Jason P wrote:
    This post / thread is the equivalent of asking someone to engage in a fair fight and then throwing sand in their eyes before you start pummeling them.


    best post of thread ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    I don't see mindless worship of Obama, I see a passionate response towards possible change. It's been a while, but I'm sure the response was close but not completely similar to when Clinton was elected. This was an historic election, afterall. That is the tremendous part!

    If Republicans didn't want change then the current president would have had a bigger role in supporting McCain. When the dust has settled the passionate response to the win will become an anxious anticipation. So much we didn't know could happen has happened in the past 8 years, and it's safe to assume that we don't know what is in store.
    You mean it is historic because a black man was voted into office? That is a great accomplishment and should be applauded, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't question him at all. I understand you see it as passion, but I also see completely following without questioning; unfortunately, the media has not helped on this part. I honestly hope Obama is successful and helps this country forward. I just hope we can call him when he is wrong.
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    nathanastin wrote:
    What does that even mean? I am against unfair taxation. We shouldn't take from some and give to others. It's fundamentally against what America was founded on. We should have a flat tax.

    does that include abolishing the cap (at ~105k) on social security tax? So people making over that, get taxed at ~9% no matter how much they make?

    Let's not forget, it was a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt) that introduced the graduated tax system.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    nathanastin wrote:
    Worshiping Obama or a person is religion

    I see you admit you initially called those who support Obama as "mindless"....

    glad we got that cleared up...
  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    anotherclone wrote:
    lol...you're a funny one.

    isn't "less taken from them" (thereby increasing their net income), and "given to others" the same as "redistribution"?

    I suppose if a person makes $200,000 to a million isn't a fan of "redistribution", then perhaps they should have rallied more of their folks to vote for McCain or elsewhere. Too bad the middle class saw it differently.
    What happens when we all make the same and act the same and live the same? Will that be a great America?
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  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    jimed14 wrote:
    does that include abolishing the cap (at ~105k) on social security tax? So people making over that, get taxed at ~9% no matter how much they make?

    Let's not forget, it was a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt) that introduced the graduated tax system.
    We wouldn't have so many taxes if FDR (a democrat) didn't introduce the entitlements we can't get rid of.
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