Abortion

musicismylife78
musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
I am completely for a woman's right to choose. Completely. But it seems there are even some within the prochoice movement who believe after a certain amount of months or trimesters, that that power should be taken away from women.

Am I odd in being for abortion ANYTIME in a pregnancy. Anytime. I dont think after the third trimester it should be outlawed.

The way I see it your for abortion or your not for it. I am for it. So abortion anytime during the pregnancy seems fair
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Abortion thread # 7,642... :p

    I myself am pro-choice, but if it were a decision I had to make, I don't think I'd have the heart to kill it.
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    If a human being isn't a human being until it's born... What is it as it's travelling down the birth canal seconds before birth?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Well, there is the development of the fetus. By the third trimester, it's basically a full blown human baby. It makes a few manuevers, grows some filmy shit, and then makes it's escape.

    So, abortion in the 3rd trimester, to me, is basically like slaughtering a little baby.

    Rewind back to the first trimester, say less than 3 weeks into pregnancy, and it's basically an armless, legless, organless blob of human tissue.

    So, the moral dilemma with people who are Pro-Choice is when does the human being become more than just a blob of human tissue and when is it acceptable to abort it and when is it not.

    Personally, I would never have an abortion and I'm all for outlawing abortion in the third trimester, fact, as far as I know, it is already illegal in Canada.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    If a human being isn't a human being until it's born... What is it as it's travelling down the birth canal seconds before birth?
    A smelly phetus...


    kidding!.. that's sarcasm.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    If a human being isn't a human being until it's born... What is it as it's travelling down the birth canal seconds before birth?

    A Zygote, but before it reaches the uterus and becomes impregnated in the uteran wall (Pregnancy) it becomes a Blastocyst, which is a shell of cells with an Intracellular Mass (ICM).
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Ahnimus wrote:
    A Zygote, but before it reaches the uterus and becomes impregnated in the uteran wall (Pregnancy) it becomes a Blastocyst, which is a shell of cells with an Intracellular Mass (ICM).
    Seconds before it is born? Am I missing some sarcasm?
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    A smelly phetus...


    kidding!.. that's sarcasm.


    lol Yes. I for one have an eye for it.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Good lord. Third trimester abortion?

    Wouldn't it be easier to just let the baby come out, then chop its head off with a bread slicer?

    I mean, seriously.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Here is one of my favorite illustrations
    http://www.cerebralpalsychildren.com/CP1.jpg

    You can see the Zygote and Blastocyst diagrams on the left side. You can see the difference between those, an Embryo and a Fetus and the different organs that develop at the different stages.

    This is called prenatal (before birth) development.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Seconds before it is born? Am I missing some sarcasm?

    Ooops sorry, no that is seconds after conception. Seconds before it's born it is a Fetus. I don't exactly agree with Fetal abortion.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Good lord. Third trimester abortion?

    Wouldn't it be easier to just let the baby come out, then chop its head off with a bread slicer?

    I mean, seriously.


    Well... If you're going to do it that way, atleast it's quick. And to some people, that's just ethical enough. ;)
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Here is one of my favorite illustrations
    http://www.cerebralpalsychildren.com/CP1.jpg

    You can see the Zygote and Blastocyst diagrams on the left side. You can see the difference between those, an Embryo and a Fetus and the different organs that develop at the different stages.

    This is called prenatal (before birth) development.
    Judging from those pictures, I think anything below stage 6 or 7 is ugly enough to scrape out with a coat hanger and step on...




    I have a sick sense of sarcastic humor tonight. Forgive me. :p
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Judging from those pictures, I think anything below stage 6 or 7 is ugly enough to scrape out with a coat hanger and step on...

    I have a sick sense of sarcastic humor tonight. Forgive me.

    See, when they do stem-cell research. They take that Blastocyst, which is the second diagram from the top on the far left.

    Here is another diagram
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Blastocyst.jpg/300px-Blastocyst.jpg

    Then they extract the ICM and put it in a dish.

    That's basically it.

    It's not like they pull out a live fetus and cut it's head off and all that shit they put on southpark.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    For all literal purposes, the heart begins beating on the 21st day after conception.

    And the last time I watched ER, when someones heart stops beating, they die. Which of course means they were previously alive...

    Excuse my ignorance.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    If anyone wants to learn more about stem-cell biology. I can't post this enough. http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/stemcells/lectures.html
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's not like they pull out a live fetus and cut it's head off and all that shit they put on southpark.

    Right. That's sarcasm. Actually they grab fetuses from a sack, snap the neck and suck out the juice.

    If it were actually that easy I would seriously consider it if I had a disease.

    No seriously...
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    For all literal purposes, the heart begins beating on the 21st day after conception.

    And the last time I watched ER, when someones heart stops beating, they die. Which of course means they were previously alive...

    Excuse my ignorance.

    Well, there is evidence that humans learn while in the prenatal environment. That wouldn't be prior to brain development though.

    But in the case of the heart, the umbilical cord and the placenta keep the embryo alive. The fetus' organs don't take over until they've pretty much all developed.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I'm glad you ask these questions though. I think most people, including women who get abortions, aren't fully aware of the prenatal development process or the abortion process.

    I'll admit I'm not totally knowledgeable when it comes to abortion. I'm much better with the development. Though I know that some types of abortion are pretty fucking nasty.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm glad you ask these questions though. I think most people, including women who get abortions, aren't fully aware of the prenatal development process or the abortion process.

    I'll admit I'm not totally knowledgeable when it comes to abortion. I'm much better with the development. Though I know that some types of abortion are pretty fucking nasty.

    Im pretty sure they are all pretty fucking nasty.
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  • niner
    niner Posts: 72
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm glad you ask these questions though. I think most people, including women who get abortions, aren't fully aware of the prenatal development process or the abortion process.

    I'll admit I'm not totally knowledgeable when it comes to abortion. I'm much better with the development. Though I know that some types of abortion are pretty fucking nasty.

    i think the last thing going through a womens mind who is getting an abortion is the fetal developement

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