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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    what I am getting at was discussed in the 2004 prez debates. I was struck how similar Bush and Kerry were in terms of the issue of abortion. kerry was more prochoice than Bush but Kerry was against abortion after a certain trimester. I thought to myself watching the debates that this wasnt really a difference between the two on the issue. They both were basically antiabortion.

    It seems to me the antithesis of prochoice to be against abortion in the third trimester. Your for abortion or against it as I said previously.

    To be prochoice but to be against it during the third trimester seems silly and I dont know why people would call themselves for a womens right to choose if this is what they felt.

    A woman should have a right to choose what to do. If this means getting an abortion in the third trimester, then that should be alright.
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, there is evidence that humans learn while in the prenatal environment. That wouldn't be prior to brain development though.

    But in the case of the heart, the umbilical cord and the placenta keep the embryo alive. The fetus' organs don't take over until they've pretty much all developed.


    Well... When a person enters into a coma, machines are used to keep the human body functioning properly. Simply put, it keeps them alive. An umbilical cord of sorts. When the plug is pulled, the person dies.

    I'm against abortion btw.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm glad you ask these questions though. I think most people, including women who get abortions, aren't fully aware of the prenatal development process or the abortion process.

    I'll admit I'm not totally knowledgeable when it comes to abortion. I'm much better with the development. Though I know that some types of abortion are pretty fucking nasty.

    just like you're not totally knowledgeable about what it's like to be pregnant.
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  • Ahnimus
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    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    what I am getting at was discussed in the 2004 prez debates. I was struck how similar Bush and Kerry were in terms of the issue of abortion. kerry was more prochoice than Bush but Kerry was against abortion after a certain trimester. I thought to myself watching the debates that this wasnt really a difference between the two on the issue. They both were basically antiabortion.

    It seems to me the antithesis of prochoice to be against abortion in the third trimester. Your for abortion or against it as I said previously.

    To be prochoice but to be against it during the third trimester seems silly and I dont know why people would call themselves for a womens right to choose if this is what they felt.

    A woman should have a right to choose what to do. If this means getting an abortion in the third trimester, then that should be alright.

    I don't know anyone that condones third trimester abortions and as I said, I'm pretty sure it's illegal in Canada. There may be some exceptions.

    Most Pro-Choice supporters are against third trimester abortions.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    just like you're not totally knowledgeable about what it's like to be pregnant.

    Point?
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  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't know anyone that condones third trimester abortions and as I said, I'm pretty sure it's illegal in Canada. There may be some exceptions.

    Most Pro-Choice supporters are against third trimester abortions.

    i would think most people would have their minds made up before that point...

    i am pro-choice - but i fear that some people use the procedure as a form of birth control instead of being reasonable and protecting themselves against pregnancy...hail, hail the abstinence education.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    A woman should have a right to choose what to do. If this means getting an abortion in the third trimester, then that should be alright.

    Why stop there? Why not let the woman have the baby, then drown it in a river? Or feed it to wolverines? Or sell it?

    After all, a woman should have the right to do whatever she wants, eh?

    A woman (or anybody) should have a right to choose what to do, so long as it doesn't harm another living human being.

    You could argue that abortion in the third trimester harms a living human being. Since, you know, a premature baby born at that point can live on its own.

    Nothing illustrates absurdity more than this: You can go to a hospital, and in one room doctors will be frantically trying to save a premature baby the same "age" as fetus they just aborted in the room next door.

    Doesn't make sense to me. But you know, I'm kind of dense.
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    catefrances wrote:
    just like you're not totally knowledgeable about what it's like to be pregnant.


    I absolutely know what it's like being pregnant! I was a pregnancy once. Excuse me, but I know pregnancy inside and out! With a concentration on the inside.
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  • Ahnimus
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    Well according to the CDC, less than 10% of abortions are done in the third trimester in the US. 59.3% are done 8 weeks or less. 84% of Americans feel abortion in the third trimester should be illegal. While only 29% feel abortion in the first trimester should be illegal.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#Public_opinion
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    i would think most people would have their minds made up before that point...

    i am pro-choice - but i fear that some people use the procedure as a form of birth control instead of being reasonable and protecting themselves against pregnancy...hail, hail the abstinence education.

    The odd thing I've found is that while there may be many who are pro-choice, hardly any of those same people would actually have an abortion themselves. For numerous reasons including the one you've given.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    The odd thing I've found is that while there may be many who are pro-choice, hardly any of those same people would actually have an abortion themselves. For numerous reasons including the one you've given.

    Yea, beacause it's not a desire to kill a baby. It's a serious problem for anyone faced with the option. But they just want to have the option. I think most women who have unwanted pregnancies, give birth anyway.
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  • niner
    niner Posts: 72
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    what I am getting at was discussed in the 2004 prez debates. I was struck how similar Bush and Kerry were in terms of the issue of abortion. kerry was more prochoice than Bush but Kerry was against abortion after a certain trimester. I thought to myself watching the debates that this wasnt really a difference between the two on the issue. They both were basically antiabortion.

    It seems to me the antithesis of prochoice to be against abortion in the third trimester. Your for abortion or against it as I said previously.

    To be prochoice but to be against it during the third trimester seems silly and I dont know why people would call themselves for a womens right to choose if this is what they felt.

    A woman should have a right to choose what to do. If this means getting an abortion in the third trimester, then that should be alright.

    its not that black and white, there is a big grey area
    a fetus can survive after 22 weeks, so its harder to make that choice.
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    niner wrote:
    its not that black and white, there is a big grey area
    a fetus can survive after 22 weeks, so its harder to make that choice.

    i vote you as the adopting agent of all the unwanted babies that would be forced into existance if abortion was not legal.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    I absolutely know what it's like being pregnant! I was a pregnancy once. Excuse me, but I know pregnancy inside and out! With a concentration on the inside.

    really? care to share.
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  • slightofjeff
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    i vote you as the adopting agent of all the unwanted babies that would be forced into existance if abortion was not legal.

    I'll be the guy who teaches people fancy birth control methods like pulling out
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  • niner
    niner Posts: 72
    i'm pro choice
    the grey area is do you extend into the last trimester
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    catefrances wrote:
    really? care to share.

    Well... It's a very dark, damp experience.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Well... It's a very dark, damp experience.

    not to mention lonely.

    Unless you're Mary Kate or Ashley
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I'll be the guy who teaches people fancy birth control methods like pulling out


    Do you have any idea how hard that is? No really...
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    slightofjeff wrote:
    not to mention lonely.

    Unless you're Mary Kate or Ashley


    lol Ahhh... To have been the triplette....
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