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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    If there was a God, there'd be too many religion threads on this forum.


    Oh, wai...


    actually i thought it was more about psychology. the why someone does something. understanding the motivation behind that.
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  • even flow?
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    I'm working on a third idea for people to believe in. The god one is a little far fetched and the big bang is a little odd to believe in. Puzzled I am about the very beginning.,But I don't dwell on it too much or need an answer for my life to take the right path.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    even flow? wrote:
    I'm working on a third idea for people to believe in. The god one is a little far fetched and the big bang is a little odd to believe in. Puzzled I am about the very beginning.,But I don't dwell on it too much or need an answer for my life to take the right path.

    it's human nature to want to know where we came from. or so i'm told. :)
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    catefrances wrote:
    actually i thought it was more about psychology. the why someone does something. understanding the motivation behind that.

    But then the debate would turn to whether religious belief is a motivation or a conviction, and the old free will chestnuts, and links to brain surgery procedures would inevitably appear, so it'd be one and the same with the usual fare. Never mind though, carry on!
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    But then the debate would turn to whether religious belief is a motivation or a conviction, and the old free will chestnuts, and links to brain surgery procedures would inevitably appear, so it'd be one and the same with the usual fare. Never mind though, carry on!

    well what do you think fins? is it a motivation or a conviction. do people believe in God in order that afdter they lead their righteous life, they are given the reward of eternal life after death. or do they truly believe in the presence and existence of a superior being for no other reason but... i'm sorry i can think of no other reason?
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    catefrances wrote:
    it's human nature to want to know where we came from. or so i'm told. :)


    I agree in a way. But you can only go back so far and then it becomes a roll of the dice as to what you almost have to believe. My friends and I get going on the topic and it seems to end when nobody can come up with what the hell was going on before god or an explosion. Then we uncap another beer and start talking about things in the real world of now. ;) Seems that I have never come across anbody who has created something from nothing.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    even flow? wrote:
    I agree in a way. But you can only go back so far and then it becomes a roll of the dice as to what you almost have to believe. My friends and I get going on the topic and it seems to end when nobody can come up with what the hell was going on before god or an explosion. Then we uncap another beer and start talking about things in the real world of now. ;) Seems that I have never come across anbody who has created something from nothing.

    well then i guess man has too much time on his hands now that he doesn't have to hunt, gather his food and run for his life from predators. :)
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  • nickcat0
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    catefrances wrote:
    well what do you think fins? is it a motivation or a conviction. do people believe in God in order that afdter they lead their righteous life, they are given the reward of eternal life after death. or do they truly believe in the presence and existence of a superior being for no other reason but... i'm sorry i can think of no other reason?

    I can only speak for myself here ; and I will admit that it is comforting to think that there is an afterlife , especially when I've suffered a bereavement , but that isn't the reason I believe in God .
    I believe because thanks to the patient explanations of a couple of friends , over many months , the Bible and the Christian message made sense to me .
    I continue to believe because I have had my faith reaffirmed in numerous ways over the last 24 years .
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    catefrances wrote:
    well what do you think fins? is it a motivation or a conviction. do people believe in God in order that afdter they lead their righteous life, they are given the reward of eternal life after death. or do they truly believe in the presence and existence of a superior being for no other reason but... i'm sorry i can think of no other reason?


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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    nickcat0 wrote:
    I believe because thanks to the patient explanations of a couple of friends , over many months , the Bible and the Christian message made sense to me .


    thats my issue with religion... you havent found it by yourself, you've had months of explanations so it made sense to you??!?! you could have read into it yourself and made a choice based on your belief, not because someone explained it.. no ones neutral.. if i had to explain religion to my kids or to a friend then they'd come out of it with less belief than they went into the convo with.

    anything that requires door-to-door salesmen to promote it cant be good... curtain salesmen, hoover sales reps and 17year Idaho kids in suits who should be out getting drunk or laid or both instead of trying to sign up me up to a fucking religion.. all the same thing, all trying to sell me something i dont need... if i need a fucking hoover, or some curtains or my sundays ripped away from me then i'll LOOK for it myself... until then.. leave me alone. :( :(

    anyone want a fruit pastille? :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • spiral out
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    I don't believe in god as it's always seemed like a fairy tale, which people tend to hold onto out of fear. Just because we want somthing to be real doesn't make it so.

    I am very happy to believe in myself and live in the moment, i have no firm beliefs of what happens when we die.

    I have heard a couple of intresting stories of things that have happened when people i know have used a ouija board, which makes me wonder if there are spirits that live on or get stuck. But i haven't looked into it yet.

    I did study budhism for a few years, but in the end i didn't want to give my life up to it.
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  • nickcat0
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    dunkman wrote:
    thats my issue with religion... you havent found it by yourself, you've had months of explanations so it made sense to you??!?! you could have read into it yourself and made a choice based on your belief, not because someone explained it.. no ones neutral.. if i had to explain religion to my kids or to a friend then they'd come out of it with less belief than they went into the convo with.

    anything that requires door-to-door salesmen to promote it cant be good... curtain salesmen, hoover sales reps and 17year Idaho kids in suits who should be out getting drunk or laid or both instead of trying to sign up me up to a fucking religion.. all the same thing, all trying to sell me something i dont need... if i need a fucking hoover, or some curtains or my sundays ripped away from me then i'll LOOK for it myself... until then.. leave me alone. :( :(

    anyone want a fruit pastille? :)

    I don't think we find anything ourselves . We are influenced by so many outside agencies ; whether it's parents , friends , advertising executives , shops , books etc .
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    dunkman wrote:
    thats my issue with religion... you havent found it by yourself, you've had months of explanations so it made sense to you??!?! you could have read into it yourself and made a choice based on your belief, not because someone explained it.. no ones neutral.. if i had to explain religion to my kids or to a friend then they'd come out of it with less belief than they went into the convo with.

    anything that requires door-to-door salesmen to promote it cant be good... curtain salesmen, hoover sales reps and 17year Idaho kids in suits who should be out getting drunk or laid or both instead of trying to sign up me up to a fucking religion.. all the same thing, all trying to sell me something i dont need... if i need a fucking hoover, or some curtains or my sundays ripped away from me then i'll LOOK for it myself... until then.. leave me alone. :( :(

    anyone want a fruit pastille? :)


    That's what I found. It's a brainwashing. They pound the same chants and mantra's into your head over and over again, and what happens is that you begin to convince yourself it's real. All religion is the same as any cult. It's just how the mind works. You brainwash yourself.

    Hypnotization is real. If you've ever witnessed a group hypnosis take place on a stage to some of your friends you can attest. I cannot be hypnotized.

    I would bet though, that every highly religious person can be easily hypnotized. It's just how the mind works (for some people).
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  • CorporateWhore
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    Life is a miracle. Creation is a miracle. These things could not be present without goodness in the world. On the other hand, the world could exist without goodness, logically speaking. But, it exists WITH it. That is the work of God in our daily lives.

    In my view, God is the first cause and all creation was brought about because of His actions.

    If you are an atheist but God exists, you will spend eternity in hell because you had the opportunity to believe. If you believe in God and he doesn't exist, all you did was give up a little bit of your time to worship God and forego sin. What atheism really comes down to is selfishness - it's all about what I want.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    If you are an atheist but God exists, you will spend eternity in hell because you had the opportunity to believe.

    what about a baby that dies aged 3months in a car crash? does it go to hell cos it didnt have a chance to believe?

    its been said on here many times but a child rapist killer could still go to heaven if he repents his sins and truly believes in God... whereas a man who does nothing wrong all his life and is then crushed to death by a falling church spire on his way to the local youth centre where he was about to give a talk on how to be a better person in life will go to hell.

    if god NEEDS people to believe in him before he allows people into heaven then he's an arrogant narcissist... and what about people who kill in the name of religion... they truly believe in god.. what awaits them?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    nickcat0 wrote:
    I don't think we find anything ourselves . We are influenced by so many outside agencies ; whether it's parents , friends , advertising executives , shops , books etc .


    thats true to an extent, but people can soak in info and then make their own decision... if people are weak minded then they'll believe anything... Heavens Gate whackos for instance.. believed a spaceship was coming.. retards
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • CorporateWhore
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    dunkman wrote:
    what about a baby that dies aged 3months in a car crash? does it go to hell cos it didnt have a chance to believe?

    its been said on here many times but a child rapist killer could still go to heaven if he repents his sins and truly believes in God... whereas a man who does nothing wrong all his life and is then crushed to death by a falling church spire on his way to the local youth centre where he was about to give a talk on how to be a better person in life will go to hell.

    if god NEEDS people to believe in him before he allows people into heaven then he's an arrogant narcissist... and what about people who kill in the name of religion... they truly believe in god.. what awaits them?

    You're mentioning a bunch of silly extreme examples which you should already know the answer to.

    The baby that dies was completely innocent and also never had the opportunity to believe in God - it wasn't mature enough yet.

    God needs people to believe in Him for the same reason that parents need to take care of their children. Love. You wouldn't do it for any other reason besides love. It's really not that hard to love either, so I don't see why it's so difficult to believe in God.

    People who kill in the same of Christianity are not being true Christians.
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  • nickcat0
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I cannot be hypnotized.

    Define hypnotised
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  • dunkman
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    CorporateWhore wrote:
    The baby that dies was completely innocent and also never had the opportunity to believe in God - it wasn't mature enough yet.

    ok then what about a remote tribe of Amazonian indians who've never even heard of the bible, jesus or arks.. they worship the river cos it makes their plants grow... do they go to heaven?

    God needs people to believe in Him for the same reason that parents need to take care of their children. Love. You wouldn't do it for any other reason besides love. It's really not that hard to love either, so I don't see why it's so difficult to believe in God.

    some people make very very bad parents... Eminems mum for example
    People who kill in the same of Christianity are not being true Christians.

    where did i mention christianity.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • nickcat0
    nickcat0 Posts: 75
    dunkman wrote:
    what about a baby that dies aged 3months in a car crash? does it go to hell cos it didnt have a chance to believe?

    its been said on here many times but a child rapist killer could still go to heaven if he repents his sins and truly believes in God... whereas a man who does nothing wrong all his life and is then crushed to death by a falling church spire on his way to the local youth centre where he was about to give a talk on how to be a better person in life will go to hell.

    if god NEEDS people to believe in him before he allows people into heaven then he's an arrogant narcissist... and what about people who kill in the name of religion... they truly believe in god.. what awaits them?
    CorporateWhore has already explained about the baby .

    Your other extreme examples would be yes and impossible , if I understand the Christian teaching correctly .

    Yes if you truly repent , then your sins will be forgiven you , emphasis on the words truly repent . And in the 2nd instance , there is no such thing as a man who has done nothing wrong , we've all sinned .

    Now , I'm prepared to be corrected on this , but that is how I believe the Christian teaching would view your 2 scenarios . I'm not knowledgeable enough about other religions to answer on their belief systems .
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