Is God infallible?

gue_barium wrote:

Sensually, yes.

In what manner? Couldn't someone say that they "sense" God too? A sense is something that is individually percieved, not what's real. In reality, does such a thing as darkness and coldness actually exist and how are they measured?

gue_barium wrote:

Sensually, the senses.


They can say whatever they want.



I'd have to pretty much disagree with where you're going with that. If it's dark outside, I think everyone who is outside is going to be aware that it is dark.

Unless someone is blind, then it's pretty much dark all of the time, but may still very much sence GOD's presence, or the coldness of someone's attitude without SEEING their face. PRAYERS - PATIENCE - PEACE

gue_barium wrote:

Well, now you're just getting fancy with the language. I think the question referred to actual Dark and Cold. Or Light and Heat, etc....

He was trying to pull the smarter than the atheist professor routine.

Trying to explain (not convince) about the belief in GOD & faith to a devout non-believer is about like explaining 'colors' to the blind; or the sounds of a bird singing or a baby laughing to someone who is deaf. I could go further with the "dumb" part (tee-hee), but I won't! PRAYERS - PATIENCE - PEACE

God???? you cannot ever comprehend what a "God" is !

religion is myth and truths passed down through the ages, converted into story by long forgotten geniuses.

gue_barium wrote:

Well, now you're just getting fancy with the language. I think the question referred to actual Dark and Cold. Or Light and Heat, etc....

He was trying to pull the smarter than the atheist professor routine.

I realize that it may have sounded like that, but that was not my intentions at all. I wanted to find out how people interpret things like evil, cold, dark, good, bad, life, death, etc. Many times one is often refered to the opposite of another, when most of the time they are only human semantics. Would "evil" even exist outside of human definitions? I wonder if animals have any concept of "evil"...Technically, "evil" couldn't even happen without there being a "God".........isn't that where the word came from? Shouldn't it instead be in terms of detremental and helpful, instead of evil and good if you take "God" out of the equasion?

If God is infallible, how come I beat him in a game of HORSE last night?

This thread started out with the question : Is GOD Infallible?
(This is a good one!)

The inventor of the Harley-Davidson motorcycle, Arthur Davidson, died and went to heaven. At the gates, St. Peter told Arthur, "Since you've been such a good man and your motorcycles have changed the world, your reward is, you can hang out with anyone you want to in heaven."

Arthur thought for a minute and then said, "I want to hang out with God."

St. Peter took Arthur to the Throne Room, and introduced him to God.

God recognized Arthur and said, "Okay, so you were the one who invented the Harley-Davidson motorcycle?"

Arthur said, "Yeah, that's me ..." God commented : "Well, what's the big deal in inventing something that's pretty unstable, makes noise and pollutuon and can't run without a road?"

Arthur was somewhat embarrassed, but finally spoke, "Excuse me, but aren't you the inventor of woman?"

God said, "Ah, yes." "Well", said Arthur, "professional to professional, you have some major design FLAWS in your invention :

1. There's too much inconsistency in the front-end protrusion

2. It chatters constantly at high speeds

3. Most rear ends are too soft and wobble too much

4. The intake is placed way too close to the exhaust

5. The maintenance costs are outrageous!!!!

"Hmmmm, you may have some good points there," replied God ..."hold on."

God went to His Celestial supercomputer, typed in a few words and waited for the results.

When the printout was complete, God read it ...

"Well, it may be true that my invention is FLAWED, but according to these numbers, more men are riding my invention than yours." PRAYERS - PATIENCE - PEACE

bla i think what happens is god puts you through a bunch of stuff it thinks is smart just to see your true spirit but in fact our true self can only be seen when we are happy therefore rendering all of this world stupid and meaningless

the bible is so iqish that it just isnt nothing but toilet paper even if the person you love most gave it to you

lgt wrote:

Not sure how you rebuked their argument, considering that the Aristotelian Prime Mover, which Aquinas and the Medieval Scholastic then interpreted as God, is posited as the cause for all else. In other words, everything else is originated from it, but by definition the Prime Mover is not originated to start with (Non Sequitur means that it does not follow in Latin).

So, how does that prove them wrong?!

It was also once believed that the earth was flat. In which case, the surface of the earth might be considered to have a beginning. It begins at, say, the east edge and ends at the west edge. But, that is not the case, and in-fact, there is no beginning or end to the surface of the earth. Stephen Hawking proposed a boundryless model of the universe to the Vatican in the 1980s. The non sequitor is that the universe must have a beginning for it to exist at all. I understand their distaste for infinite regression, but it does not follow that there must therefor be a self-sufficient first cause. Both are equally as distasteful. However, with the argument of God as the first mover, we must extend the argument to God and ask what moves God. Additionally, as we have become aware, "intelligence" arises in humans from a highly complex interaction of nerve cells. Human intelligence is not self-sufficient, it requires underlying causes. So therefor, one must explain how God's intelligence is self-sufficient. Any attempt to insert God into the creation of the universe opens up a can of questions about the origins of God.

There may or may not be a God of sorts that preceeded the creation of the universe, or the universe it's self may be self-sufficient. The point is, we don't know and none of those philosopher's were able to tip the scales in their favor. They may have convinced themselves and others who shared their ideology, but in an objective sense, it's all rubbish. There are other possibilities that are far more plausible. The desire to anthropomorphize everything is a human fallacy. It's even more likely that the so-called "Big Bang" was the result of a benign and unintelligent force. A result of quantum fluctuations, by chance, giving rise to a system that works. As cosmologists like Hawking have shown, if the universe were in but a few configurations it would recollapse within seconds of the Big Bang. Therefor any Creator's hands would be strapped to do it one of a few ways. From that point on the evolution of the universe would strictly follow the laws we observe today. There is no room for any freedom of human or divine will and thus the Christian God is a false God.

PJPOWER wrote:

I wish I would have been able to surf the net while taking a SCANTRON test, lol

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