Miraculous Messages from Water

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You don't have a leg to stand on.

    You get defensive because of this.
    ditto.

    Two sets of belief are on an even playing field.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You don't have a leg to stand on.

    You get defensive because of this.

    You are concerned about environmental issues because of the nature of caring about nature. You feel special.

    I care about nature too, but I'm not stupid about it. I spent a long time being skeptical of global warming. You probably dived right in and started arguing with skeptics or deniers without knowing a single thing about it.

    Yes, Ahnimus, I'm stupid and you have it all figured out. :rolleyes:
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Whoa, there. You can't prove a negative. What you are asserting is your belief that the procedures used were flawed. You aren't able to prove what the dude in question did was actually false/flawed or a scam.

    Confusing actual proof with the term "proof" leads to some false premises.

    That's complete bullshit Angelica. You can't prove there is no teacup floating around saturn. That the flying spaghetti monster isn't you real dad. The logic you use here is highly flawed. It's absolutely ridiculous.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    ditto.

    Two sets of belief are on an even playing field.

    It's not the same thing.

    Your beliefs are the same as religious people. If you use this logic, then you have to believe in every possibility, which I'm sure you do. And ultimately you are just going to be full of ignorance. Because you will ignore the parts of reality that contradict your percepts.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's not the same thing.

    Your beliefs are the same as religious people. If you use this logic, then you have to believe in every possibility, which I'm sure you do. And ultimately you are just going to be full of ignorance. Because you will ignore the parts of reality that contradict your percepts.

    Yours are the same as religious people, too. The difference between you and many religious people--but that puts you on an even playing field with the water experiments, is you are trying to pass your beliefs off as proven, when they are not. You are entitled to do so. However, with a little discernment it's easy to spot the flaw. First, you cannot prove a negative. With some humility, we know that for as much as we know, there is sooo much we don't know. Therefore reasonable people must keep an open mind. Go ahead, believe what you want to, however, you cannot pass faith off as proven. And when it's proven, it's no longer faith. "Religious" people are okay with faith, not feeling a need to prove anything. You take issue with that, while disguising your own faith to yourself.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:

    Therefor you are technically wrong.

    But, I don't need magical water to enjoy life.


    There's no such thing as magic water....just water remember?... and you do need water...so therefore technically you're wrong...aaaaah :D

    just fucking wid ya....
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Yours are the same as religious people, too. The difference between you and many religious people--but that puts you on an even playing field with the water experiments, is you are trying to pass your beliefs off as proven, when they are not. You are entitled to do so. However, with a little discernment it's easy to spot the flaw. First, you cannot prove a negative. With some humility, we know that for as much as we know, there is sooo much we don't know. Therefore reasonable people must keep an open mind. Go ahead, believe what you want to, however, you cannot pass faith off as proven. And when it's proven, it's no longer faith. "Religious" people are okay with faith, not feeling a need to prove anything. You take issue with that, while disguising your own faith to yourself.

    Bullshit Angelica. I'm not trying to prove anything. Dr. Emoto via Abook is trying to prove something. I'm showing the flaws in his methods. Therefor as it stands the water magic bullshit is not proven. That's all that matters. It's not up to me to prove that is in fact wrong. I just prove that he hasn't proved anything. See how that works? The greatest minds in the history of our species have devised these ways of weeding out bullshit and it works. We have them to thank for it. You disgrace humanity by this bullshit logic you try to pull out to defend stupid beliefs. It's fucking dumb.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    There's no such thing as magic water....just water remember?... and you do need water...so therefore technically you're wrong...aaaaah :D

    just fucking wid ya....

    I took a shower this morning and I was clean. How fucking amazing water is, it must have loved me that's why it 'hugged' me in the shower and made me clean.

    Or.. maybe it was the plumbing system that caused the water to flow out of the showerhead and 'hug' me, and it was the soap that fought the bacteria to make me clean. Maybe water didn't do anything, in-fact all the movement of the water depends on other forces.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Bullshit Angelica. I'm not trying to prove anything. Dr. Emoto via Abook is trying to prove something. I'm showing the flaws in his methods. Therefor as it stands the water magic bullshit is not proven. That's all that matters. It's not up to me to prove that is in fact wrong. I just prove that he hasn't proved anything. See how that works? The greatest minds in the history of our species have devised these ways of weeding out bullshit and it works. We have them to thank for it. You disgrace humanity by this bullshit logic you try to pull out to defend stupid beliefs. It's fucking dumb.
    I saw Abook share a belief and a concept. That's very different than trying to scientifically prove it or stating it's been scientifically proven.

    You go after people's beliefs with your own. Have at it.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Like Bruce Lee said,

    "Water can flow, or it can crash... Be water my friend."

    Not sure, but I think you are choosing to crash. Try flowing... much better. To each his own.

    Or if you prefer, "use the force."

    Are you feeling hot under the collar trying to prove your point that you are right and someone else is wrong? What cellular changes are you making right now? Maybe your electrons are intermingling. From a metaphysical point of view, it is possible.

    To each his own.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I took a shower this morning and I was clean. How fucking amazing water is, it must have loved me that's why it 'hugged' me in the shower and made me clean.

    Or.. maybe it was the plumbing system that caused the water to flow out of the showerhead and 'hug' me, and it was the soap that fought the bacteria to make me clean. Maybe water didn't do anything, in-fact all the movement of the water depends on other forces.

    Go down to the hot water heater and slap a nice big "hug me" poster on it...see it you feel fresher tomorrow morning....

    I'm going to try "tingly balls" and see what happens :D
    .
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    I saw Abook share a belief and a concept. That's very different than trying to scientifically prove it or stating it's been scientifically proven.

    You go after people's beliefs with your own. Have at it.

    You are insane.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Go down to the hot water heater and slap a nice big "hug me" poster on it...see it you feel fresher tomorrow morning....

    I'm going to try "tingly balls" and see what happens :D
    .

    Good idea. I'm going to put a "Fuck Off!" mat on the dirt outside so I never have to clean my apartment again.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Abook, I love ya!! :) I can just imagine a bunch of dour-faced skeptics in a "controlled" setting trying futiley to repreduce such results, maybe some/many hoping to disprove the original results! Yeah, imagine the "vibes" in that room! ;):):D
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I think the notion of the experiment supersedes the results. Regardless...the desired result is achieved for some...so it took place technically in some plane of existence.

    I someone posts a good vibe...in reality it was just pixels..but it can/did evoke emotion, bonding good feelings etc... so it's more than just pixels in reality.

    Depends on the perception and what makes one happy or more connected to another.

    that's how I see it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    angelica wrote:
    I saw Abook share a belief and a concept. That's very different than trying to scientifically prove it or stating it's been scientifically proven.

    You go after people's beliefs with your own. Have at it.

    Correct. I put this out here for anyone interested. I know not everyone will believe or agree and that doesn't matter to me. They can post all day long about how much they disagree, in fact. I really don't have a need to have everyone believe what I choose to believe. If they do, great...I love sharing those connections. I sure as hell won't throw a tantrum when they choose not to see eye to eye, though. All I ask for is respect when we do encounter this differences not hostility.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    angelica wrote:
    Abook, I love ya!! :) I can just imagine a bunch of dour-faced skeptics in a "controlled" setting trying futiley to repreduce such results, maybe some/many hoping to disprove the original results! Yeah, imagine the "vibes" in that room! ;):):D

    ;):)<3
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Good idea. I'm going to put a "Fuck Off!" mat on the dirt outside so I never have to clean my apartment again.

    A "fuck me" tshirt might actually work though...hmm

    .
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I think the notion of the experiment supersedes the results. Regardless...the desired result is achieved for some...so it took place technically in some plane of existence

    I read a few of the skeptics sites before I even posted this and some of them said things very similar to this. So I figured we could at least agree on that point. Boy, was I wrong! :D
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Correct. I put this out here for anyone interested. I know not everyone will believe or agree and that doesn't matter to me. They can post all day long about how much they disagree, in fact. I really don't have a need to have everyone believe what I choose to believe. If they do, great...I love sharing those connections. I sure as hell won't throw a tantrum when they choose not to see eye to eye, though. All I ask for is respect when we do encounter this differences not hostility.

    I think you are insane. That's just my belief.

    Sanity; How closely our view of reality matches reality.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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