Odigo says workers warned of 9/11 two hours before it happened

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    polaris wrote:
    ??

    are you saying the gov't is always truthful

    no, but that doesnt mean they commited a mass murder against their own people

    this isnt lying about getting head... this is the greatest crime in world history
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    ??

    are you saying the gov't is always truthful - and i'm not talking about exaggerating economic stats and things of that nature ... i'm talking about being forthcoming about actions done in the name of the people ...

    if you look at the US foreign policy in the last 50 years ... it's shady at best - so, why would anyone take what the gov't says at face value when history shows otherwise?

    Of course not, but one can also go to the opposite extreme and assume that NOTHING the government says is truthful. I think history is rife with half-truthes ... At face value? Maybe not. Assuming that the government MUST be involved? Equally close-minded and potentially off-the-mark.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    1. how big is the "inside job", how many people are involved

    2. who was involved?

    3. what did they stand to gain?

    4. how the hell do you keep ALL those people quiet? holding in the greatest secret in history?


    some people are just gullable and need to believe outlandish things to feel alive i guess...
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Of course not, but one can also go to the opposite extreme and assume that NOTHING the government says is truthful. I think history is rife with half-truthes ... At face value? Maybe not. Assuming that the government MUST be involved? Equally close-minded and potentially off-the-mark.

    Any 9/11 conspiracy just makes no sense to me. What would be the point? And, if the conspiracies are true, then it means the U.S. government had no qualms about killing 4,000 of its own citizens, but suddenly sprouted a conscience when it came to planting fake WMD in Iraq? "Fake WMD?!? We're not going to do that. THAT would be wrong."

    And what of bin Laden? Why would he take credit for something he didn't do? It would seem his life/operations were a hell of a lot easier before he told everyone he blew up the World Trade Center towers.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    my2hands wrote:
    no, but that doesnt mean they commited a mass murder against their own people

    this isnt lying about getting head... this is the greatest crime in world history

    how do you define greatest crime? ... purely on shock value? ... 3,000 (as tragic as the deaths were) pales in comparison to the numbers of soldiers sent to vietnam or even iraq/afghanistan ... this is not factoring the mass death toll at all the countries the US has ever engaged in a covert war with ...

    3,000 deaths to instigate a wave of war profiteering that's never been seen - you, yourself have called them war hawks - no way they get away with what they've been doing without the trigger that is 9/11 ...
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    let me ask you this... i am no fan of the patriot act, but let me ask...


    if they knew about the 9/11 plot but didnt have enough to get a warrant... would you support law enforcement spying on the hijackers and interectping communications in an effort to stop them?

    yes or no

    I could speculate after the fact of what I needed to launch into space, but it's not likely I could get there without some kind of assistance.

    After the fact, anything is now possible...remember? they attacked us for our freedoms ;) so anything goes now. More and more people from intelligence agencies are coming out to say these box cutting, can't even fly a cessna if their lives depended on it idiots, could not have pulled this off without help from the inside.

    So ask yourself...why did they knowingly lie again and again about the WMD's if they were not prepared to in fact plant some?

    instead of "why didn't they just plant some WMD's, therefore they are obviously telling the truth."

    I'd like to hear an answer to the bolded above...
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    how do you define greatest crime? ... purely on shock value? ... 3,000 (as tragic as the deaths were) pales in comparison to the numbers of soldiers sent to vietnam or even iraq/afghanistan ... this is not factoring the mass death toll at all the countries the US has ever engaged in a covert war with ...

    3,000 deaths to instigate a wave of war profiteering that's never been seen - you, yourself have called them war hawks - no way they get away with what they've been doing without the trigger that is 9/11 ...

    I agree that this is a subjective judgment. Point. It remains true that there are many other ways to "justify" war profiteering, though. The existence of benefactors alone is not good evidence of a cover-up.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    polaris wrote:

    3,000 deaths to instigate a wave of war profiteering that's never been seen - you, yourself have called them war hawks - no way they get away with what they've been doing without the trigger that is 9/11 ...

    war profitting has been going on in this country since WW1 and before...

    we have had the worlds largest military bidget even in peace time.. ther eis no need to risk 9/11 to bloat a budget, the budget has been bloated since day 1


    so 9/11 was for no bid contracts?
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    my2hands wrote:
    yuo might want to be more certain when accusing peopel of murdering 3,000 people and commiting the greatest crime in world history... so you are basicly saying you are not even close to certain and have no evidence or real motive, you just know 9/11 was an inside job? :rolleyes:


    you better have alot more then the fact that you listen to Alex Jones or have seen "Loose Change"


    When did i ever say that? Keep typing and keep losing your credibility.

    Im looking at the events that have occured since 9/11 and who gained the most from what has happened.

    Ok so it's the greatest crime in world history according to you, right? So we shouldnt leave every stone unturned?

    3000 people havent died as a result of 9/11 (again take off your blinders, look at things from a wider perspective) over a million have.

    Over a million people have died and you criticisize people for wanting to look deeper into why? Maybe you need to get a better understanding of the situation.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Any 9/11 conspiracy just makes no sense to me. What would be the point? And, if the conspiracies are true, then it means the U.S. government had no qualms about killing 4,000 of its own citizens, but suddenly sprouted a conscience when it came to planting fake WMD in Iraq? "Fake WMD?!? We're not going to do that. THAT would be wrong."

    And what of bin Laden? Why would he take credit for something he didn't do? It would seem his life/operations were a hell of a lot easier before he told everyone he blew up the World Trade Center towers.

    Indeed ... The logic just doesn't hold up very well.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Of course not, but one can also go to the opposite extreme and assume that NOTHING the government says is truthful. I think history is rife with half-truthes ... At face value? Maybe not. Assuming that the government MUST be involved? Equally close-minded and potentially off-the-mark.

    how is it close-minded if no one can prove they were NOT involved? ... ultimately, as it pertains to 9/11 - people form their opinions based on what they know (hopefully as opposed to what they hope - that goes both ways) ...

    so, assuming it is ok to question the gov'ts account - why is there then some sociological symptom being suffered by 9/11 truthers? ... just as some people call others sheep and blind ... calling people kooks or satisfying some psychological dysfunction really doesn't help either ...
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Sure, and by all means, question. The problem I perceive is that you've already made up your mind. Its WAY too soon for that ...


    How else does one point a case towards reopening the 9/11 investigation?

    talk about tele-tubbbies?

    I would think highlight any and all suspicions that have not been addressed.

    but maybe the answer is to just watch more tele-tubbies...
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    4 words explain the "truth" movement to me

    lack of common sense



    dont get me wrong, i liek peopel asking questions and i dotn think they should stop. but it is flat out funny the shit they come up with and the shit they ingore because they already have their mind made up. "truthers" always present thier view and opinion as FACT.. which is even funnier :D
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    i tell you what.


    when Alex Jones comes up with the 'smoking gun" and has ACTUAL EVIDENCE, give me a call.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    How else does one point a case towards reopening the 9/11 investigation?

    talk about tele-tubbbies?

    I would think highlight any and all suspicions that have not been addressed.

    but maybe the answer is to just watch more tele-tubbies...

    I actually think the Tele-tubbies were responsible for 9/11 ... makes as much sense as most of the crackpot theories posted here and elsewhere.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    war profitting has been going on in this country since WW1 and before...

    we have had the worlds largest military bidget even in peace time.. ther eis no need to risk 9/11 to bloat a budget, the budget has been bloated since day 1


    so 9/11 was for no bid contracts?


    There are boated defense budgets and abuses of power in normal circumstances and then there is all that greatly multiplied when a nation is gripped by fear and vengeance.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    my2hands wrote:
    i can see debating with you is pointless


    you pull out 1 tank of sarin gas and those reports go up in smoke


    I wonder what happens if you blow up two towers?
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    my2hands wrote:
    war profitting has been going on in this country since WW1 and before...

    we have had the worlds largest military bidget even in peace time.. ther eis no need to risk 9/11 to bloat a budget, the budget has been bloated since day 1


    so 9/11 was for no bid contracts?

    and yet pentagon (not even accounting spending that is hidden in other areas of the budget) is like the only thing that has increased in bush's time while there are cuts to everything else ...

    haliburton was having to run social security programs during the clinton years - now, they are back to what they do best ... which is overcharge taxpayers ...
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I actually think the Tele-tubbies were responsible for 9/11 ... makes as much sense as most of the crackpot theories posted here and elsewhere.


    Really?.. then you know as much about 9/11 as the gay teletubby after suffering a sever brain trauma...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Really?.. then you know as much about 9/11 as the gay teletubby after suffering a sever brain trauma...

    My point exactly ...
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