Odigo says workers warned of 9/11 two hours before it happened

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited June 2008 in A Moving Train
Anyone want to bet this investigation drops like a rock?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C

"Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.

As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.

Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message"
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Kinda fits with the theory that Israeli special forces were the ones behind the attacks.
  • Commy wrote:
    Kinda fits with the theory that Israeli special forces were the ones behind the attacks.


    We can all bet this will be honestly investigated and got to the bottom of I'm sure. Just like the put options were.

    Yeah it was all just a big coincidence...surely


    "yo dude...email buddy bob and make some crazy joke like airplanes are going to crash into the world trade center towers in like a couple of hours. from now"

    "hahha....good one. Why didn't I think of that yesterday!?"

    ....

    "Dude...your material is so cutting edge..."

    Yeah...but can you believe someone else already be me to it?

    no way..

    way...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?

    "Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

    Yeah ok mr tinfoil...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?
    seems that dismissing these claims out of hand as conspiracy theories or as crazy is a great way to avoid any serious analysis.
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?

    Absolutely facts require a tin foil hat.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    and ya know what's even odder? it's been so long since i found this and don't feel like searching for it but could be for you or drifting...remember those israeli art students they arrested then let go for cheering the attacks? they worked for a moving company owned by an israeli....a few years ago i found some local paper's articles about how customers had to go to court to get their stuff out of storage b/c the owner disappeared right after
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Commy wrote:
    seems that dismissing these claims out of hand as conspiracy theories or as crazy is a great way to avoid any serious analysis.
    Reminds me of a thread I had a while back on the AET entitled 'lazy forms of debating on the pit'. This one has to be right up there... and not just on the pit either. Unfortunately there are plenty of 'loony conspiracy theory stuff' that has plenty of weight behind it... but no matter what evidence one comes up with, It's soooo damn easy to just say 'bloody conspiracy theorists' and laugh... while the people reading your email/post/text message are laughing at your stupidity :)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    El_Kabong wrote:
    and ya know what's even odder? it's been so long since i found this and don't feel like searching for it but could be for you or drifting...remember those israeli art students they arrested then let go for cheering the attacks? they worked for a moving company owned by an israeli....a few years ago i found some local paper's articles about how customers had to go to court to get their stuff out of storage b/c the owner disappeared right after


    roland is all over that one


    the five dancing israeli's... just the name cracks me up


    real simple question... if the mossad was in on this... and knew it was happening... to the 2 biggest buldings in the world in the center of the universe new york city... with the world watching... why the hell would they send out 5 lackies to videotape it? and if they are doing that exactly how many people are in on this and how the hell are they going to keep every last one of them secret? if it was an inside job at all why send out people to video tape it in public and celebrate? no way.

    the obvious point is why take all of that risk? it clearly is not worth it. just so they can take out a few regimes in the middle east? regimes they have either controlled or could easily fake something else a little less dramatic? just to implement the patriot act? i dont think so, IMO. also, if these masterminds could pull 9/11 off... then why couldnt they plant ANY WMD in iraq to fully justify the invasion and go next to wherever they wanted? thats all they had to do was plant WMD and they could have invaded anyone they wanted next. if they could pull off 9/11 then planting WMD for justification of a war is a piece of cake
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    That's not really surprising, several surveillance agencies worldwide warned over the summer of the possibility of a terrorist attack involving planes. The surprising part is that some people still use icq.
    Unfortunately there are plenty of 'loony conspiracy theory stuff' that has plenty of weight behind it... but no matter what evidence one comes up with, It's soooo damn easy to just say 'bloody conspiracy theorists' and laugh...
    I think that the problem (well at least the problem that I have with these) is that a loony conspiracy theory post usually goes this way :

    1 - highly disturbing fact
    2 - credible suppositions
    3 - ludicrous conclusions involving Israel/the CIA/the government/the military complex

    While the first 2 points are interesting and do raise legitimate interrogation, the post if most of the time discarded because the 3rd point just jumps to conclusions that just seem a little too far out and don't really rely on the presented facts.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    The original post wasn't really a conspiracy theory post was it? It was simply reporting about text messages and saying that they're being investigated. I think that is great.

    It is only when someone takes something like the original post and then says "See, this is proof that mossad agents were working with Cheney's second cousin to rig the towers with explosives" that the ridicule starts. The 2nd post in this thread starts us down that path, which is why I'm sure by post 4 mention of tinfoil pops up. I'm betting tinfoil would not be brought into the discussion if illogical conclusions weren't baselessly suggested. It takes two to tango.


    Same thing happened in the Obama / Hillary secret meeting post. There are facts (the two secretly met away from media scruitiny), and there were baseless conclusions (OMG, they snuck away to Bilderberg!!!).
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    jeffbr wrote:
    The original post wasn't really a conspiracy theory post was it? It was simply reporting about text messages and saying that they're being investigated. I think that is great.

    It is only when someone takes something like the original post and then says "See, this is proof that mossad agents were working with Cheney's second cousin to rig the towers with explosives" that the ridicule starts. The 2nd post in this thread starts us down that path, which is why I'm sure by post 4 mention of tinfoil pops up. I'm betting tinfoil would not be brought into the discussion if illogical conclusions weren't baselessly suggested. It takes two to tango.
    it would and it does! That's why I no longer give a fuck if I look crazy or not cos I've realised some people will just tar me with that brush anyway no matter what. :( It's sad... but it just reaffirms the conspiracy theories for me :D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Kann wrote:
    That's not really surprising, several surveillance agencies worldwide warned over the summer of the possibility of a terrorist attack involving planes. The surprising part is that some people still use icq.


    I think that the problem (well at least the problem that I have with these) is that a loony conspiracy theory post usually goes this way :

    1 - highly disturbing fact
    2 - credible suppositions
    3 - ludicrous conclusions involving Israel/the CIA/the government/the military complex

    While the first 2 points are interesting and do raise legitimate interrogation, the post if most of the time discarded because the 3rd point just jumps to conclusions that just seem a little too far out and don't really rely on the presented facts.
    ludicrous conclusions? Not always! The odd time yeh...but I think some people can only take in these facts slowly, very slowly and bit by bit... so if somebody states a fact and then states how it ties in with all these other facts... leading to the probability of x... well then their heads just explode... and the only thing they can do is call everybody mad and laugh!
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Posts: 137
    a conspiracy theory involving aliens...and atomic penguins would make more sense than the official story...
    there is an experiment you can do to raise all kinds of suspicion



    -go to google image search and look up airline crash sites or something similar

    -then look up flight 93 crash site and see if you can tell any difference..see if you can find a plane or a part of one...all you will find are pics of a smoking crator or a close up shot of random debree that could have been taken anywhere.
    This guy wouldn't know magesty if it bit him in the face- Strong bad

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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?

    If you can't find it, just ask one of those Israeli art students to make one for ya ...
  • El_Kabong wrote:
    and ya know what's even odder? it's been so long since i found this and don't feel like searching for it but could be for you or drifting...remember those israeli art students they arrested then let go for cheering the attacks? they worked for a moving company owned by an israeli....a few years ago i found some local paper's articles about how customers had to go to court to get their stuff out of storage b/c the owner disappeared right after

    I'm wondering why the film in their video camera of filming the towers, that they were specifically sent over to document (self admittedly), is still classified information several years later?

    Any bets it shows the towers before the planes hit them?

    The 9/11 investigation in and of itself reeks of fraudulence.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    If you can't find it, just ask one of those Israeli art students to make one for ya ...


    Ever the apologist.
  • my2hands wrote:
    roland is all over that one


    the five dancing israeli's... just the name cracks me up


    real simple question... if the mossad was in on this... and knew it was happening... to the 2 biggest buldings in the world in the center of the universe new york city... with the world watching... why the hell would they send out 5 lackies to videotape it? and if they are doing that exactly how many people are in on this and how the hell are they going to keep every last one of them secret? if it was an inside job at all why send out people to video tape it in public and celebrate? no way.

    the obvious point is why take all of that risk? it clearly is not worth it. just so they can take out a few regimes in the middle east? regimes they have either controlled or could easily fake something else a little less dramatic? just to implement the patriot act? i dont think so, IMO. also, if these masterminds could pull 9/11 off... then why couldnt they plant ANY WMD in iraq to fully justify the invasion and go next to wherever they wanted? thats all they had to do was plant WMD and they could have invaded anyone they wanted next. if they could pull off 9/11 then planting WMD for justification of a war is a piece of cake

    Well it was 5 guys dancing in a strategic location celebrating, filming and flicking their lighters as the towers were burning and crashing down. that admitted they were sent over to record the event.

    You can't draw private unfounded conclusions in order to disregard proven facts. You can try but it does not negate the reality of it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Open wrote:
    Ever the apologist.

    Aw, come on. Just poking a little fun. Who am I apologizing for? I too am guilty of taking myself too seriously at times, but damn ... That Bilderberg thing you guys were attending must have been a hoot .... Jokes flying every-which way ...
  • Aw, come on. Just poking a little fun. Who am I apologizing for? I too am guilty of taking myself too seriously at times, but damn ... That Bilderberg thing you guys were attending must have been a hoot .... Jokes flying every-which way ...


    Yeah it's all a big fucking joke...look around...go pay for some gas...go sign up and kill some Arabs...go shopping with your shitty dollar. It all stems from 9/11.

    Woohoo hilarious.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Yeah it's all a big fucking joke...look around...go pay for some gas...go sign up and kill some Arabs...go shopping with your shitty dollar. It all stems from 9/11.

    Woohoo hilarious.

    Lesson learned: The paranoid cannot handle humour (**scribbles in notepad**).
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    Of course, just because Israel is the biggest beneficiary of 9/11; any connection should be considered paranoia.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Open wrote:
    Of course, just because Israel is the biggest beneficiary of 9/11; any connection should be considered paranoia.

    I am not sure that I entirely agree, although there are some clear benefits to Israel, in terms of the impact of 9-11 on US foreign policy. And I totally agree with slightofjeff and anyone else who thinks that such things should be investigated. Indeed they should. I would hope that all promising leads be investigated. Is it too much to ask that people also concede that Islamic fudnamentalists may also played a role? I mean, does EVERYTHING have to be about the Jews? This isn't 1936.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Open wrote:
    Of course, just because Israel is the biggest beneficiary of 9/11; any connection should be considered paranoia.


    how has Israel benefitted from 9/11?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    You can't draw private unfounded conclusions in order to disregard proven facts. You can try but it does not negate the reality of it.


    isnt that exactly what the entire 9/11 "truth" movement is doing?

    by the way, i am not suprised "truthers" will not and cannot answer those very simple questions... because it is obvious... this grand crime and conspiracy some are buying into WAS NOT WORTH THE RISK. why risk everything? for iraq and the middle east? if so then why not plant WMD's to easily continue the quest for golabal military hegemony?


    terrorism is real my friend, check out the munich olympics if you get a chance
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    It's funny how nothing ever means anything.

    No matter how many oddities.....how many coincidences........how many blatant neglects .........how many pecular instances of failures to respond appropriately and professionally..........

    ....it all means nothing. Just tin-foil wearing, lunatic ravings from kooks.

    Oh man.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    NMyTree wrote:
    It's funny how nothing ever means anything.

    No matter how many oddities.....how many coincidences........how many blatant neglects .........how many pecular instances of failures to respond appropriately and professionally..........

    ....it all means nothing. Just tin-foil wearing, lunatic ravings from kooks.

    Oh man.


    thats because the whole truth movement ignores THE BIG FUCKING QUESTION? WHO STOOD TO GAIN WHAT AND WHY RISK THIS FOR THAT GAIN?

    i want you , right now, to tell me exactly who stood to benefit from 9/11 and then tell me exactly how they actually have benefited from 9/11

    in other words, just like every other crime investigation in the history of the world, lets start with the MOTIVE of the crime


    go for it
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    I am not sure that I entirely agree, although there are some clear benefits to Israel, in terms of the impact of 9-11 on US foreign policy. And I totally agree with slightofjeff and anyone else who thinks that such things should be investigated. Indeed they should. I would hope that all promising leads be investigated. Is it too much to ask that people also concede that Islamic fudnamentalists may also played a role? I mean, does EVERYTHING have to be about the Jews? This isn't 1936.

    When you learn to seperate the criticisim of Israel from that of "Jews" you will like this board a lot better.


    M2H :

    1) Let's see the guy that actually sent missles towards Israel is now dead
    2) Israel has had pretty much free reign since 9/11
    3) I dont know this as a fact, but if you look at the number of attacks in Israel, im sure they've dropped. (Fight them there, so we dont fight them here wasnt referring to the US)
  • Lesson learned: The paranoid cannot handle humour (**scribbles in notepad**).


    yeah it's a hilarious topic. A lot of people were murdered because of it.

    hysterical...

    I hope I never become that aloof...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • I am not sure that I entirely agree, although there are some clear benefits to Israel, in terms of the impact of 9-11 on US foreign policy. And I totally agree with slightofjeff and anyone else who thinks that such things should be investigated. Indeed they should. I would hope that all promising leads be investigated. Is it too much to ask that people also concede that Islamic fudnamentalists may also played a role? I mean, does EVERYTHING have to be about the Jews? This isn't 1936.


    Look around and ask yourself...and ask yourself why the top three presidential candidates suck Israel's balls in a suck off/rim job competition despite the fact the jewish vote is like 1-2% of the US vote.

    wakey wakey...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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