Odigo says workers warned of 9/11 two hours before it happened

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Anyone want to bet this investigation drops like a rock?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C

"Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.

As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.

Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message"

Commy

Kinda fits with the theory that Israeli special forces were the ones behind the attacks.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Commy wrote:

Kinda fits with the theory that Israeli special forces were the ones behind the attacks.

We can all bet this will be honestly investigated and got to the bottom of I'm sure. Just like the put options were.

Yeah it was all just a big coincidence...surely


"yo dude...email buddy bob and make some crazy joke like airplanes are going to crash into the world trade center towers in like a couple of hours. from now"

"hahha....good one. Why didn't I think of that yesterday!?"

....

"Dude...your material is so cutting edge..."

Yeah...but can you believe someone else already be me to it?

no way..

way...

slightofjeff

I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

slightofjeff wrote:

I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?

"Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Yeah ok mr tinfoil...

Commy

slightofjeff wrote:

I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?

seems that dismissing these claims out of hand as conspiracy theories or as crazy is a great way to avoid any serious analysis.

spiral out

slightofjeff wrote:

I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?

Absolutely facts require a tin foil hat.

El_Kabong

and ya know what's even odder? it's been so long since i found this and don't feel like searching for it but could be for you or drifting...remember those israeli art students they arrested then let go for cheering the attacks? they worked for a moving company owned by an israeli....a few years ago i found some local paper's articles about how customers had to go to court to get their stuff out of storage b/c the owner disappeared right after

Heineken Helen

Commy wrote:

seems that dismissing these claims out of hand as conspiracy theories or as crazy is a great way to avoid any serious analysis.

Reminds me of a thread I had a while back on the AET entitled 'lazy forms of debating on the pit'. This one has to be right up there... and not just on the pit either. Unfortunately there are plenty of 'loony conspiracy theory stuff' that has plenty of weight behind it... but no matter what evidence one comes up with, It's soooo damn easy to just say 'bloody conspiracy theorists' and laugh... while the people reading your email/post/text message are laughing at your stupidity

my2hands

El_Kabong wrote:

and ya know what's even odder? it's been so long since i found this and don't feel like searching for it but could be for you or drifting...remember those israeli art students they arrested then let go for cheering the attacks? they worked for a moving company owned by an israeli....a few years ago i found some local paper's articles about how customers had to go to court to get their stuff out of storage b/c the owner disappeared right after

roland is all over that one


the five dancing israeli's... just the name cracks me up


real simple question... if the mossad was in on this... and knew it was happening... to the 2 biggest buldings in the world in the center of the universe new york city... with the world watching... why the hell would they send out 5 lackies to videotape it? and if they are doing that exactly how many people are in on this and how the hell are they going to keep every last one of them secret? if it was an inside job at all why send out people to video tape it in public and celebrate? no way.

the obvious point is why take all of that risk? it clearly is not worth it. just so they can take out a few regimes in the middle east? regimes they have either controlled or could easily fake something else a little less dramatic? just to implement the patriot act? i dont think so, IMO. also, if these masterminds could pull 9/11 off... then why couldnt they plant ANY WMD in iraq to fully justify the invasion and go next to wherever they wanted? thats all they had to do was plant WMD and they could have invaded anyone they wanted next. if they could pull off 9/11 then planting WMD for justification of a war is a piece of cake

Kann

That's not really surprising, several surveillance agencies worldwide warned over the summer of the possibility of a terrorist attack involving planes. The surprising part is that some people still use icq.

Heineken Helen wrote:

Unfortunately there are plenty of 'loony conspiracy theory stuff' that has plenty of weight behind it... but no matter what evidence one comes up with, It's soooo damn easy to just say 'bloody conspiracy theorists' and laugh...

I think that the problem (well at least the problem that I have with these) is that a loony conspiracy theory post usually goes this way :

1 - highly disturbing fact
2 - credible suppositions
3 - ludicrous conclusions involving Israel/the CIA/the government/the military complex

While the first 2 points are interesting and do raise legitimate interrogation, the post if most of the time discarded because the 3rd point just jumps to conclusions that just seem a little too far out and don't really rely on the presented facts.

jeffbr

The original post wasn't really a conspiracy theory post was it? It was simply reporting about text messages and saying that they're being investigated. I think that is great.

It is only when someone takes something like the original post and then says "See, this is proof that mossad agents were working with Cheney's second cousin to rig the towers with explosives" that the ridicule starts. The 2nd post in this thread starts us down that path, which is why I'm sure by post 4 mention of tinfoil pops up. I'm betting tinfoil would not be brought into the discussion if illogical conclusions weren't baselessly suggested. It takes two to tango.


Same thing happened in the Obama / Hillary secret meeting post. There are facts (the two secretly met away from media scruitiny), and there were baseless conclusions (OMG, they snuck away to Bilderberg!!!).

Heineken Helen

jeffbr wrote:

The original post wasn't really a conspiracy theory post was it? It was simply reporting about text messages and saying that they're being investigated. I think that is great.

It is only when someone takes something like the original post and then says "See, this is proof that mossad agents were working with Cheney's second cousin to rig the towers with explosives" that the ridicule starts. The 2nd post in this thread starts us down that path, which is why I'm sure by post 4 mention of tinfoil pops up. I'm betting tinfoil would not be brought into the discussion if illogical conclusions weren't baselessly suggested. It takes two to tango.

it would and it does! That's why I no longer give a fuck if I look crazy or not cos I've realised some people will just tar me with that brush anyway no matter what. :( It's sad... but it just reaffirms the conspiracy theories for me

Heineken Helen

Kann wrote:

That's not really surprising, several surveillance agencies worldwide warned over the summer of the possibility of a terrorist attack involving planes. The surprising part is that some people still use icq.


I think that the problem (well at least the problem that I have with these) is that a loony conspiracy theory post usually goes this way :

1 - highly disturbing fact
2 - credible suppositions
3 - ludicrous conclusions involving Israel/the CIA/the government/the military complex

While the first 2 points are interesting and do raise legitimate interrogation, the post if most of the time discarded because the 3rd point just jumps to conclusions that just seem a little too far out and don't really rely on the presented facts.

ludicrous conclusions? Not always! The odd time yeh...but I think some people can only take in these facts slowly, very slowly and bit by bit... so if somebody states a fact and then states how it ties in with all these other facts... leading to the probability of x... well then their heads just explode... and the only thing they can do is call everybody mad and laugh!

Grasshopper

a conspiracy theory involving aliens...and atomic penguins would make more sense than the official story...
there is an experiment you can do to raise all kinds of suspicion



-go to google image search and look up airline crash sites or something similar

-then look up flight 93 crash site and see if you can tell any difference..see if you can find a plane or a part of one...all you will find are pics of a smoking crator or a close up shot of random debree that could have been taken anywhere.

rebornFixer

slightofjeff wrote:

I think I see black helicopters ... where's my tin foil hat?

If you can't find it, just ask one of those Israeli art students to make one for ya ...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

El_Kabong wrote:

and ya know what's even odder? it's been so long since i found this and don't feel like searching for it but could be for you or drifting...remember those israeli art students they arrested then let go for cheering the attacks? they worked for a moving company owned by an israeli....a few years ago i found some local paper's articles about how customers had to go to court to get their stuff out of storage b/c the owner disappeared right after

I'm wondering why the film in their video camera of filming the towers, that they were specifically sent over to document (self admittedly), is still classified information several years later?

Any bets it shows the towers before the planes hit them?

The 9/11 investigation in and of itself reeks of fraudulence.

Open

reborncareerist wrote:

If you can't find it, just ask one of those Israeli art students to make one for ya ...

Ever the apologist.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

roland is all over that one


the five dancing israeli's... just the name cracks me up


real simple question... if the mossad was in on this... and knew it was happening... to the 2 biggest buldings in the world in the center of the universe new york city... with the world watching... why the hell would they send out 5 lackies to videotape it? and if they are doing that exactly how many people are in on this and how the hell are they going to keep every last one of them secret? if it was an inside job at all why send out people to video tape it in public and celebrate? no way.

the obvious point is why take all of that risk? it clearly is not worth it. just so they can take out a few regimes in the middle east? regimes they have either controlled or could easily fake something else a little less dramatic? just to implement the patriot act? i dont think so, IMO. also, if these masterminds could pull 9/11 off... then why couldnt they plant ANY WMD in iraq to fully justify the invasion and go next to wherever they wanted? thats all they had to do was plant WMD and they could have invaded anyone they wanted next. if they could pull off 9/11 then planting WMD for justification of a war is a piece of cake

Well it was 5 guys dancing in a strategic location celebrating, filming and flicking their lighters as the towers were burning and crashing down. that admitted they were sent over to record the event.

You can't draw private unfounded conclusions in order to disregard proven facts. You can try but it does not negate the reality of it.

rebornFixer

Open wrote:

Ever the apologist.

Aw, come on. Just poking a little fun. Who am I apologizing for? I too am guilty of taking myself too seriously at times, but damn ... That Bilderberg thing you guys were attending must have been a hoot .... Jokes flying every-which way ...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

reborncareerist wrote:

Aw, come on. Just poking a little fun. Who am I apologizing for? I too am guilty of taking myself too seriously at times, but damn ... That Bilderberg thing you guys were attending must have been a hoot .... Jokes flying every-which way ...

Yeah it's all a big fucking joke...look around...go pay for some gas...go sign up and kill some Arabs...go shopping with your shitty dollar. It all stems from 9/11.

Woohoo hilarious.