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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jeanwah wrote:
    To prove you wrong here, my sister, 10 years ago, insisted to the rest of our family that her children were not going to be "typical boys and girls". She strictly tried to raise them, from infancy, to be in a sense, unisex. She treated both her daughter and son, 2 years apart the exact same. Same toys, same treatment, same everything. No girl or boy toys, they were all neutral. She wanted her daughter to be a tom-boy. Well, they didn't turn out the way she expected them to. The girl has very feminine tendencies, and the boy has male tendencies. In other words, our personalities don't evolve from what our parents teach us. Like someone else said, our personalities are pretty much there by the age of 3. Parenting styles aren't going to differ personality types, we're just born the way we are.

    That doesn't prove decades of research wrong. It simply suggests that parents are powerless to do anything on an individual basis.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I agree, it's a multiple of factors that contribute. But by the time my neice and nephew were 2 1/2-3, it was clear that they were very much different. That's too young an age to have society really to have any impact at all. Immediate environment, yes, but even more, I believe that you're born with your personality intact, and that you can't really program your child's personality from any angle at that young of an age.

    Two identical twins of the same sex with the same parents. Same genetics, same environment, same everything are ultimately going to be different. It doesn't mean personality is hard-wired.

    Take, cellular automaton Rule 30. As long as one cell is different, the outcome of the automaton is drastically different. It's a choatic mechanism and so is the brain.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    wikipedia wrote:
    Rule 30 is an elementary cellular automaton rule introduced by Stephen Wolfram in 1983. Wolfram describes it as being his "all-time favourite rule"[1] and details it in his book A New Kind of Science. Using Wolfram's classification scheme, Rule 30 is a Class III rule, displaying aperiodic, chaotic behaviour. This rule is of particular interest because it produces complex, seemly random patterns from simple, well-defined rules. Because of this, Wolfram believes that rule 30, and cellular automata in general, are the key to understanding how simple rules produce complex structures and behaviour in nature, such as pigmentation on seashells[2]. Rule 30 is named due to its binary representation, 00011110, which describes its rule set (as described below).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_30

    W00t, unlocking the matrix.
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you here.

    Men and women have some very obvious anatomical difference, such as male and female sex organs. But I don't believe that we are naturally any different. What is in our minds is mostly what we've been subjected to and the way we interpret it. Up until the 1960s there was some hard-lines between male and female behavior in western culture (not the world). However, since women's liberation we've seen an explosion of self-reflectant behavior, people tend to behave more how they feel. Many men behave similarily to women and many women behave similarily to men.

    But most of our behaviour in general, wether you are a man, woman, hindu, buddhist or rastafarian is the result of behaviour modelling, as children we learn how to behave within our physical and social environments. As adults we tend to look at other cultures and say "I would never do that.", by this statement we are essentially admitting that we are, in most part, a product of our culture, we are often disgusted or amused by another culture's traditions. These feelings of disgust and amusement are a part of us, guided by our cultural norms.

    Yin & Yang basically says things are not black or white, everything had an opposite, but within every black is some white, the more black you have the less white, but there will always be white in the black. It doesn't make much sense to me talking about the colours black and white. However, it could apply to Jungian Psychology, with Jung's theory of Anima and Animus, however I feel that requires gender roles to be secure. At this point in our culture it's always an insult to someone to say "Men/Women are like this.."

    Anyway, I just want to abolish this ancient myth that we are behaviouraly different by nature. Oh, by the way, I saw a video on youtube you'll like, check it out, Cute Otters


    I think there is a lot of validity in all of this. However, the fact is, there are differences, whether it be by cultural influences, whatever.

    All I'm saying is that men and women can and should compliment each other. I'd just rather look at the positives, I suppose.

    I LOVED the otters!!
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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    ~Albert Einstein
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    baraka wrote:
    I think there is a lot of validity in all of this. However, the fact is, there are differences, whether it be by cultural influences, whatever.

    All I'm saying is that men and women can and should compliment each other. I'd just rather look at the positives, I suppose.

    I LOVED the otters!!


    There is a website dedicated to pictures and videos of otters http://cuteotters.com/ I never realized just how cute otters are.

    So, I guess, that doesn't really make you a liberal thinker, your suggesting you limit your thoughts to positives, which makes it a more conservative thought process. But then conservatives are usually focused on negatives, maybe this is where the term hippy comes in?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    baraka wrote:
    I think there is a lot of validity in all of this. However, the fact is, there are differences, whether it be by cultural influences, whatever.

    All I'm saying is that men and women can and should compliment each other. I'd just rather look at the positives, I suppose.

    I LOVED the otters!!
    I'm with you! I'm so into looking at and generating more of the positives in my life. I agree that men and women complement each other. I've always felt that. And I love that.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    I'm with you! I'm so into looking at and generating more of the positives in my life. I agree that men and women complement each other. I've always felt that. And I love that.

    Right, so... I focus on negatives, that makes us a good match?

    I got an analogy. Let's say you had a cupcake, chocolate or whatever flavour you like. That's a positive thing. But let's say there is a big ugly spider on it or around it, that's a negative thing. So, when you say "focus on the positive" does that mean that you ignore the spider and reach for the cupcake anyway? I'm a negative thinker, my inclination would be to rid the cupcake of the spider, then all that's left is positive.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I would use my higher cognitive abilities to try and visualize the spider as the cupcake, but in the end miserably fail as I realize I lost my appetite in the process.

    Honestly I really have no idea what that actually means... :D

    Which leads me to asking...do the good head doctors still go for around $100/hr? :D
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  • Ahnimus
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I would use my higher cognitive abilities to try and visualize the spider as the cupcake, but in the end miserably fail as I realize I lost my appetite in the process.

    Honestly I really have no idea what that actually means... :D

    Which leads me to asking...do the good head doctors still go for around $100/hr? :D

    lol.

    I was just saying, we have two forces interacting with us positive and negative. There is a lot of both in our lives, sure we can try to improve the positive or add more positives to our lives, usually in the form of material posessions and social status, but what of the negatives. Well, if we eliminate all the negatives, all that's left is positive and there is no need to convince ourselves the positives are more positive than they really are.

    Not that it matters a whole lot, I'm happy focusing on negatives, as I'm sure others that focus on positives are happy as well. I just have a knack for problem solving and negatives are a big part of it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Right, so... I focus on negatives, that makes us a good match?

    I got an analogy. Let's say you had a cupcake, chocolate or whatever flavour you like. That's a positive thing. But let's say there is a big ugly spider on it or around it, that's a negative thing. So, when you say "focus on the positive" does that mean that you ignore the spider and reach for the cupcake anyway? I'm a negative thinker, my inclination would be to rid the cupcake of the spider, then all that's left is positive.


    I acknowledge reality, including the spider, but I focus on what I want to create. I determine my experience of reality because I'm the only thinker of my thoughts, or the only one who feels my feelings--this is one area that I have complete control of. I use my 2-4% waking consciousness to make sure I'm focussing on what I want so that I can harness my energy to create it. I've been through my share of awful situations. I'm huge on acknowledging what is real. That's my first step. If I feel negatively about a situation I fully acknowledge it (as opposed to denying or sugarcoating it), and then I release those feelings. I realize that my negative feelings are the product of my emotional history and that I can release that so as to create my experience NOW with independent self-willed thought/emotion. The negative experience is my internal sign for the need to create new sensations within, ones of my choosing. In other words: to reprogram myself. I then focus on generating thoughts, ideas, experiences and emotions based on what I want, whether it's a new cupcake, or whatever my heart desires. I can step out of the program loop into the create-a-reality lifestyle. :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    angelica wrote:
    I acknowledge reality, including the spider, but I focus on what I want to create. I determine my experience of reality because I'm the only thinker of my thoughts, or the only one who feels my feelings--this is one area that I have complete control of. I use my 2-4% waking consciousness to make sure I'm focussing on what I want so that I can harness my energy to create it. I've been through my share of awful situations. I'm huge on acknowledging what is real. That's my first step. If I feel negatively about a situation I fully acknowledge it (as opposed to denying or sugarcoating it), and then I release those feelings. I realize that my negative feelings are the product of my emotional history and that I can release that so as to create my experience NOW with independent self-willed thought/emotion. The negative experience is my internal sign for the need to create new sensations within, ones of my choosing. In other words: to reprogram myself. I then focus on generating thoughts, ideas, experiences and emotions based on what I want, whether it's a new cupcake, or whatever my heart desires. I can step out of the program loop into the create-a-reality lifestyle. :)

    I just drink and smile.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I love cupcakes.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    I acknowledge reality, including the spider, but I focus on what I want to create. I determine my experience of reality because I'm the only thinker of my thoughts, or the only one who feels my feelings--this is one area that I have complete control of. I use my 2-4% waking consciousness to make sure I'm focussing on what I want so that I can harness my energy to create it. I've been through my share of awful situations. I'm huge on acknowledging what is real. That's my first step. If I feel negatively about a situation I fully acknowledge it (as opposed to denying or sugarcoating it), and then I release those feelings. I realize that my negative feelings are the product of my emotional history and that I can release that so as to create my experience NOW with independent self-willed thought/emotion. The negative experience is my internal sign for the need to create new sensations within, ones of my choosing. In other words: to reprogram myself. I then focus on generating thoughts, ideas, experiences and emotions based on what I want, whether it's a new cupcake, or whatever my heart desires. I can step out of the program loop into the create-a-reality lifestyle. :)

    But, you admit, you aren't literally creating a new reality. You can't simply wish the spider away and it's gone. You need to physically interact with reality to get rid of the spider.

    So, I'm confused. I'm identifying negatives within our social norms and gender models. I also see many positives in them, but there is much miscommunication over them. Everytime a man says "Women do this.." or a woman says "Men do this..." they are creating a negative image about the gender role and passing it on to others who may or may not reciprocate. In my experience, men and women tend to agree with each other, which further solidifies the gender model with negativity. If you are suggesting that you prefer to say "Men do this [positive]" instead of "Men do this [negative]" then I suppose you are postulating a positive gender model, unfortunately that is quite rare, and a very admirable quality indeed.

    I guess, I'm just not understanding the language.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Bu2 wrote:
    I just drink and smile.
    Cheers, Bu :D
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    Cheers, Bu :D

    I was suggesting to a friend that I might give a presentation on decision making, personality development and so on at the university. She said "I wouldn't go." when I asked her "Why?" she said "I only care about parties and sex".

    Then I realized, the only people that would attend, probably already know what I have to say, the rest don't care, they like making bad decisions.

    :p
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    http://www.brightideas.com/halloween/recipes/r_p_1345_1.jsp
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Ahnimus
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    http://www.brightideas.com/halloween/recipes/r_1345_1.jsp

    Haha good one! Did you do a google for "Spider Cupcake" or something?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Ok, let's say there was an axe weilding maniac trying to cut your head off, and there is a cupcake...
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Haha good one! Did you do a google for "Spider Cupcake" or something?

    you know it... lol the internet is scary sometimes...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Ok, let's say there was an axe weilding maniac trying to cut your head off, and there is a cupcake...

    wait a sec...did you pre-google that? :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")

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