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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    ..or if you don't want to. :D

    Who wants to?

    I obey the laws of the road, it's the best way to not hit a kid.
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  • hippiemom
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    surferdude wrote:
    I used to use a little eye shadow and eyeliner to bring out my blues. After all, night clubs are dark and you gotta get yor best features noticed..
    I dunno ... I'd have to see it to evaluate it I suppose. But one of the things I've always loved most about men is that they don't get all caught up with their appearance. Not once in 44 years have I had to sit around for an hour while a male friend or love interest tried on every piece of clothing he owned before he'd leave the house. Shower, run fingers through hair, put on a pair of pants and a shirt (whatever's clean), and they're good to go. It's refreshing :)

    One of my best friends dated a primper for a while and I used to tease him relentlessly. We'd be at her house getting ready to go out and neither of us could get near the mirror, it was ridiculous.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Who wants to?

    I obey the laws of the road, it's the best way to not hit a kid.

    depends on the kid. :D

    but seriously that goes without saying ryan. sheesh you're so literal sometimes. :)
    there's also that 'rule' that says if the vehicle in front of you is a truck and they go through an amber yellow light you are obliged to follow him through on the red. :D
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    But all functions utilize right and left hemispheres, depending on the requirement for data analysis. I don't think it's accurate to say left and right are dramatically different and that women or men use one side more than the other. I think a more accurate statment would be "Women are encouraged to make decisions based on the analysis of data provided by the abstract brain" "men are encouraged to do the opposite" this doesn't mean that both regions aren't being used in everyone.
    If you are saying it's a lot cultural, I agree. The more prominant male traits tend to be associated with the left-hemisphere, while the more abstract traits women are known to employ are associated with the right brain. There are numerous theories and models that provide the context for the facts, whether physically and brain chemistry-wise, or whether purely theoretically and conceptually.
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  • hippiemom
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    angelica wrote:
    You see, that's the difference between you and I! (one at least. :D) It's my DREAM to have sex with a man who wears more make-up than I do.....at least in spirit. did I mention I'm big on androgyny?? :o lol.
    Hey, whatever works for ya is cool by me :)

    It's a shame we weren't friends when we were single ... we'd have been great party pals, we'd NEVER have both gone after the same guy!
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  • surferdude
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    hippiemom wrote:
    I dunno ... I'd have to see it to evaluate it I suppose. But one of the things I've always loved most about men is that they don't get all caught up with their appearance. Not once in 44 years have I had to sit around for an hour while a male friend or love interest tried on every piece of clothing he owned before he'd leave the house. Shower, run fingers through hair, put on a pair of pants and a shirt (whatever's clean), and they're good to go. It's refreshing :)

    One of my best friends dated a primper for a while and I used to tease him relentlessly. We'd be at her house getting ready to go out and neither of us could get near the mirror, it was ridiculous.
    I was quick about it. Probably took longer to find clean clothes than put on a little eyeliner and shadow. Besides at that point in life it was probably "you chop a few while I get ready".
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    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    surferdude wrote:
    I used to use a little eye shadow and eyeliner to bring out my blues. After all, night clubs are dark and you gotta get yor best features noticed..
    Okay, I'm stuck on this one...... the thing is, you are already pretty. ;) There's a reason my children have these big, luminous blue and green eyes, especially given my own are brown. ;)
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  • hippiemom
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    surferdude wrote:
    I was quick about it. Probably took longer to find clean clothes than put on a little eyeliner and shadow. Besides at that point in life it was probably "you chop a few while I get ready".
    Well that's another story altogether! You didn't mention that you'd have recreational substances to amuse myself with while you primped! I'd have told you to take your time :D
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  • Ahnimus
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    angelica wrote:
    If you are saying it's a lot cultural, I agree. The more prominant male traits tend to be associated with the left-hemisphere, while the more abstract traits women are known to employ are associated with the right brain. There are numerous theories and models that provide the context for the facts, whether physically and brain chemistry-wise, or whether purely theoretically and conceptually.

    I don't see proof of it.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't see proof of it.
    What specifically do you mean?
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  • surferdude
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    hippiemom wrote:
    Well that's another story altogether! You didn't mention that you'd have recreational substances to amuse myself with while you primped! I'd have told you to take your time :D
    I was 20 something. There were always recreational substances around to amuse ourselves with. I don't even want to think about how boring university would have been sober.
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    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • Ahnimus
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    angelica wrote:
    What specifically do you mean?

    That the right or left hemispheres are solely responsible for anything. With the exception of motor-functions. But even with motor functions, the different regions that handle different things like Broca's and Wernicke's are dispersed throughout both halves of the brain. I would suggest with emotion and logic, the different processing regions are also dispersed.

    That's all semantics anyway, we agree on the culture thing, we just need to convince everyone else. :)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:

    That's all semantics anyway, we agree on the culture thing, we just need to convince everyone else. :)

    you know ryan, all you need to do is get the advertising industry on board and they'll convince everybody else. :D
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That the right or left hemispheres are solely responsible for anything. With the exception of motor-functions. But even with motor functions, the different regions that handle different things like Broca's and Wernicke's are dispersed throughout both halves of the brain. I would suggest with emotion and logic, the different processing regions are also dispersed.

    That's all semantics anyway, we agree on the culture thing, we just need to convince everyone else. :)
    I don't see it as semantics, but rather the discernment of fine details within different contexts. It all intermeshes.

    But yeah, it is getting a little unnecessary, considering these things are not hardwired the way people believe they are, as in written in stone, and/or genetic or inherent. I'm personally fond of some gender norms, myself, though, as long as we have freedom to personally not accept ones individually, that we don't want to.
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  • Jeanwah
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    The point is that the adults in our culture essentially program the children, causing them to fit these models we've created. So long as we continue to say "Men/Women are like this..." they will be. By saying it we are hard-wiring it into our children, they then behave according to expectations, for the most part.

    Then the question remains, is it bad or good to have these distinct gender roles? According to women's liberation, it's a bad thing. Then we abolish this perception that men/women are better suited for specific roles within the family. This means women are not better parents naturally and men are not better workers as studies have shown. The differences are only from individual to individual. Perhaps we should look at the mass of white and grey matter of the amygdala in both parents to determine who is 'better'. But I don't think that's the only determining factor in what makes a good parent.

    To prove you wrong here, my sister, 10 years ago, insisted to the rest of our family that her children were not going to be "typical boys and girls". She strictly tried to raise them, from infancy, to be in a sense, unisex. She treated both her daughter and son, 2 years apart the exact same. Same toys, same treatment, same everything. No girl or boy toys, they were all neutral. She wanted her daughter to be a tom-boy. Well, they didn't turn out the way she expected them to. The girl has very feminine tendencies, and the boy has male tendencies. In other words, our personalities don't evolve from what our parents teach us. Like someone else said, our personalities are pretty much there by the age of 3. Parenting styles aren't going to differ personality types, we're just born the way we are.
  • catefrances
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    Jeanwah wrote:
    To prove you wrong here, my sister, 10 years ago, insisted to the rest of our family that her children were not going to be "typical boys and girls". She strictly tried to raise them, from infancy, to be in a sense, unisex. She treated both her daughter and son, 2 years apart the exact same. Same toys, same treatment, same everything. No girl or boy toys, they were all neutral. She wanted her daughter to be a tom-boy. Well, they didn't turn out the way she expected them to. The girl has very feminine tendencies, and the boy has male tendencies. In other words, our personalities don't evolve from what our parents teach us. Like someone else said, our personalities are pretty much there by the age of 3. Parenting styles aren't going to differ personality types, we're just born the way we are.
    were you neice and nephew not exposed to the outside world?
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  • Jeanwah
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    catefrances wrote:
    were you neice and nephew not exposed to the outside world?
    That's the thing, Yes, they were/are. I knew my sis was nuts to think that her two kids were going to be exactly alike just from her strategy of parenting. That's what she was trying to achieve.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Jeanwah wrote:
    That's the thing, Yes, they were/are. I knew my sis was nuts to think that her two kids were going to be exactly alike just from her strategy of parenting. That's what she was trying to achieve.
    Yes, it's not just what the parents teach, based on norms, but it's also what is modelled by the parents (big influence) and how children are molded by the norms that exist all throughout our culture and surround them from birth, among other variables.
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  • catefrances
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    Jeanwah wrote:
    That's the thing, Yes, they were/are. I knew my sis was nuts to think that her two kids were going to be exactly alike just from her strategy of parenting. That's what she was trying to achieve.

    being the parent of a boy and a few girls, i can understand what she was trying to achieve. society is not a parent's friend.
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  • Jeanwah
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    angelica wrote:
    Yes, it's not just what the parents teach, based on norms, but it's also what is modelled by the parents (big influence) and how children are molded by the norms that exist all throughout our culture and surround them from birth, among other variables.
    catefrances wrote:
    being the parent of a boy and a few girls, i can understand what she was trying to achieve. society is not a parent's friend.

    I agree, it's a multiple of factors that contribute. But by the time my neice and nephew were 2 1/2-3, it was clear that they were very much different. That's too young an age to have society really to have any impact at all. Immediate environment, yes, but even more, I believe that you're born with your personality intact, and that you can't really program your child's personality from any angle at that young of an age.

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