Palestinian kindergarten graduation ceremony

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    just because you are weak doesn't automatically make you the victim.

    I'll let this picture answer that comment...

    http://arab.sa.utoronto.ca/map99.PAL.land-loss.jpg
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Byrnzie wrote:
    In answer to your question. Yes, it does.

    http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=7254


    i wonder if you will get a reply? maybe he'll just claim it's a single child/incident like before? :D
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I'll let this picture answer that comment...

    http://arab.sa.utoronto.ca/map99.PAL.land-loss.jpg
    I already told you. I support Israel going back to the 1967 borders. or some sort of compromise with Israel giving up land back to the palastinians. I will never support a people who encourage, teach, condone, killing of innocent people.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i wonder if you will get a reply? maybe he'll just claim it's a single child/incident like before? :D
    give it a fucking rest dude.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I already told you. I support Israel going back to the 1967 borders. or some sort of compromise with Israel giving up land back to the palastinians. I will never support a people who encourage, teach, condone, killing of innocent people.

    So we are in agreement then.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    So we are in agreement then.
    not so fast :D I support Israel going back to the borders, but doesnt mean I think they should. I believe they have to defend themselves from hamas who states that they want Israel destroyed. and several of its neighbors who have no problem attacking them.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    not so fast :D I support Israel going back to the borders, but doesnt mean I think they should. I believe they have to defend themselves from hamas who states that they want Israel destroyed. and several of its neighbors who have no problem attacking them.

    What does their right to defend themselves have to do with them moving or not moving back to the 1967 borders? They will have more legitimacy in defending themselves within the internationally recognized borders pre 1967. An occupying army has no rights to anything.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    What does their right to defend themselves have to do with them moving or not moving back to the 1967 borders? They will have more legitimacy in defending themselves within the internationally recognized borders pre 1967. An occupying army has no rights to anything.
    a war was fought. borders changed. in order for peace, compromises with have to come from both sides. I think abbas was the only chance at peace in the near future. and as of today, he is gone.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    a war was fought. borders changed. in order for peace, compromises with have to come from both sides. I think abbas was the only chance at peace in the near future. and as of today, he is gone.

    Borders didn't change though. Just as France's borders didn't change after Germany's defeat. The only countries who think the borders changed are Israel and the U.S.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Borders didn't change though. Just as France's borders didn't change after Germany's defeat. The only countries who think the borders changed are Israel and the U.S.
    well according to the little map you posted, they changed.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ......

    Whoops! I made a mistake. Silly me. :o
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well according to the little map you posted, they changed.

    That map was drawn up by Israel after years of illegal settlement expansion.

    *Time out*
    P.s. I was just looking at your photo's of Chicago again. They really are pretty awesome. I will definitely have to pay it a visit.

    O.k, back to debating.....
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    That map was drawn up by Israel after years of illegal settlement expansion.
    so would you like america to go back to the 1745 borders and give all the land back to indians?

    like I said, a war was fought, borders changed. both sides will have to compromise, most of which will be Israel returning land to palastine.

    peace isnt going to happen with your cut and dry approach of.."return to 1967 borders or terrorists attacks are justified"
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:

    *Time out*
    P.s. I was just looking at your photo's of Chicago again. They really are pretty awesome. I will definitely have to pay it a visit.
    thanks man. if and when you do, make it summertime. its fucking great. I just finished upping some more photos tonight. I am going to make a summer 2007 folder on myspace to keep em organized and fresh


    time in
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so would you like america to go back to the 1745 borders and give all the land back to indians?

    There are no "Indians".

    But, the answer is "yes".
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thanks man. if and when you do, make it summertime. its fucking great. I just finished upping some more photos tonight. I am going to make a summer 2007 folder on myspace to keep em organized and fresh


    time in

    O.k. And when we meet for a few beers I have just one rule: No politics! ;)
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    O.k. And when we meet for a few beers I have just one rule: No politics! ;)
    no doubt
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so would you like america to go back to the 1745 borders and give all the land back to indians?

    Well, that would certainly be more interesting than daytime t.v. Although, like the situation with the native Americans, I believe that compromises should be made. In the case of Israel, the only compromise that appears feasible and workable is for them to abide by the will of the international consensus - excerpting the U.S - which calls for an end to the occupation and a return to the 1967 borders. This seems to be the only viable option.
    The American Indians are not a generic unified country, but a collection of different tribes with claims to different areas of land in America. Fir instance, the Lakota would probably be satisfied simply with being given a large part of South Dakota back to them, including the black hills, while the Apache and Hopi would have claim to parts of Arizona and New Mexico.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Well, that would certainly be more interesting than daytime t.v. Although, like the situation with the native Americans, I believe that compromises should be made. In the case of Israel, the only compromise that appears feasible and workable is for them to abide by the will of the international consensus - excerpting the U.S - which calls for an end to the occupation and a return to the 1067 borders. This seems to be the only viable option.
    The American Indians are not a generic unified country, but a collection of different tribes with claims to different areas of land in America. Fir instance, the Lakota would probably be satisfied simply with being given a large part of South Dakota back to them, including the black hills, while the Apache and Hopi would have claim to parts of Arizona and New Mexico.
    well lets both agree that we do not want innocent people dying on either side. I would love peace throughout the middle east. I would love to visit the region. its where civilization started. its gotta be good.

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