Any Castro defenders here?

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Commy wrote:
    bad guess. I never said anything about a blockade, or an embaro for that matter.

    it seems to me that you have a very limited grasp of the world scene. THe US has 700+military bases around the world, some 30+ large size bases capable of launching stealth bombers and so on, not to mention the dozen or so carriers around the globe. This translates into an empire. When the US tells someone they can't trade with Cuba, they can't trade with CUba. Its that simple. US hegemony reaches all of South America (decades of brutal violence accomplished that), all of Central America, again conquered through force, parts of Asia, Africa, now reaching into the middle east, even most of the old Soviet block is being grabbed by the superpower.

    Then there's the direct support for cuban nationalists based in Cuba who are free to carry out terrorist operations agaisnt Cuba, have been for decades, including the downing of a passenger airliner. then there's the case where Cuban pigs were infected with some form of swine fever, resulting in the slaughter of over 500,000 pigs. The US reach is pretty big.

    when the US decides a course of action for, you can't say no, especially if your alone on an island.

    Alone.

    Nice post Commy.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Yes, cause God knows it's impossible to "have spirit", "a strong sense of community", "neighborhoods", "friends" and "a positive spirit" in America...
    Of course, of course...

    where is it?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Cuba isn't "ripe enough" yet for the embargo to be lifted. Speaking through the eyes of our present government, if I may.

    What I mean by this is that Cuba will not accept the terms of an American-style Cuba. And our American powerhouses know this. If the embargo were lifted, things would be much the same as they are now. It is important to those with private interests in the "potential" corporate market of Cuba that they have an all-access style government in place. These are the people with their money heavily invested in their candidate/political party. That is our country/that is washington, DC.

    Idiots.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    What I mean by this is that Cuba will not accept the terms of an American-style Cuba. And our American powerhouses know this. If the embargo were lifted, things would be much the same as they are now. It is important to those with private interests in the "potential" corporate market of Cuba that they have an all-access style government in place. These are the people with their money heavily invested in their candidate/political party. That is our country/that is washington, DC.

    Idiots.

    Chasing the Bank.
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Commy wrote:
    bad guess. I never said anything about a blockade, or an embaro for that matter.

    Your cigar question implied that I was wrong to suggest that no blockade exists.
    it seems to me that you have a very limited grasp of the world scene. THe US has 700+military bases around the world, some 30+ large size bases capable of launching stealth bombers and so on, not to mention the dozen or so carriers around the globe. This translates into an empire. When the US tells someone they can't trade with Cuba, they can't trade with CUba. Its that simple. US hegemony reaches all of South America (decades of brutal violence accomplished that), all of Central America, again conquered through force, parts of Asia, Africa, now reaching into the middle east, even most of the old Soviet block is being grabbed by the superpower.

    So what does any of this have to do with landmass or proximity to the United States?
    In the shadow of the light from a black sun
    Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
    Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
    I'm freezing

    Are you afraid, afraid to die
    Don't be afraid, afraid to try
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    where is it?

    Lots of places. Here, for example.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • browneyedgrl
    browneyedgrl Posts: 39
    catefrances wrote:
    the american government of the time, was all for castro's revolution. it wasn't until they realised they couldn't control him that they turned cold. and then diod evrything they could to undermine him. it is interesting to me that washington sees it as okay to trade with beijing despite china's horrendous human rights record, and yet can't seem to pull their head out of their arse when it comes to cuba.



    That is not exactly it. Castro came down from Sierra Maestra and overthrew Batista with the promise of free elections. He told the people of Cuba he was as green as the palm, and then managed to through the next years of power, curse the U.S. and slowly take liberties and properties away from the Cuban people. He then declared himself a communist once the personal properties, civil liberties, and arms were taken from the people. Once the people of Cuba who wanted freedom and free elections were either out of the island or powerless, Castro declared himself the dictator he is.

    I think people like you should get their head out of their butt and speak to people who lived his revolution, who escaped their home to find a place where they can express themselves and live freely, something like what you get to do without fear of imprisonment or death.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    browneyedgrl wrote:
    That is not exactly it. Castro came down from Sierra Maestra and overthrew Batista with the promise of free elections. He told the people of Cuba he was as green as the palm, and then managed to through the next years of power, curse the U.S. and slowly take liberties and properties away from the Cuban people. He then declared himself a communist once the personal properties, civil liberties, and arms were taken from the people. Once the people of Cuba who wanted freedom and free elections were either out of the island or powerless, Castro declared himself the dictator he is.

    I think people like you should get their head out of their butt and speak to people who lived his revolution, who escaped their home to find a place where they can express themselves and live freely, something like what you get to do without fear of imprisonment or death.


    well said. and I couldnt agree more.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    What I mean by this is that Cuba will not accept the terms of an American-style Cuba. And our American powerhouses know this. If the embargo were lifted, things would be much the same as they are now. It is important to those with private interests in the "potential" corporate market of Cuba that they have an all-access style government in place. These are the people with their money heavily invested in their candidate/political party. That is our country/that is washington, DC.

    Idiots.


    talking to yourself again? classic gue move people. hilarious
  • browneyedgrl
    browneyedgrl Posts: 39
    gue_barium wrote:
    Here's an olive branch from me to you. Check out these unhappy people:

    http://www.canadacuba.ca/

    What is this supposed to be?

    Castro is extremely intelligent, genious even. Any propaganda which depicts Cuba's people as content and satisfied is completely misleading.

    Please go to Cuba and travel to any area besides Havana. See for yourself the rotting buildings, the 12-15 year old girls prostituting themselves, the fear in the eyes of those smiling people, because I will tell you, people there live afraid of everything. Those you see crying out "Viva Fidel" do not know anything else exists outside of Cuba and/or Castro because that is all they have know since they were born.

    Just a small example. The media in Cuba only shows what Castro decides is fitting, perhaps a Brazilian or Venezuelan soap opera serves as entertainment aside from two or three other channels showing only Communist led programming. Like I said, Castro is extremely intelligent and has managed to brainwash a country as well as most of the world into thinking he is a benefit and not a detriment to his people.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Trau wrote:
    Your cigar question implied that I was wrong to suggest that no blockade exists.

    i don't care.
    So what does any of this have to do with landmass or proximity to the United States?


    its easier to import or export resources if the guy triyng to stop you is half way across the world. if you live next door its easier to keep an eye on.
  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Commy wrote:
    i don't care.

    Indeed. Which is why you can't be bothered by nuance.



    its easier to import or export resources if the guy triyng to stop you is half way across the world. if you live next door its easier to keep an eye on.

    But the American Empire has spread it's vines all over the world. Distance from the homeland is not an issue.
    In the shadow of the light from a black sun
    Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
    Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
    I'm freezing

    Are you afraid, afraid to die
    Don't be afraid, afraid to try
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    browneyedgrl wrote:
    What is this supposed to be?

    Castro is extremely intelligent, genious even. Any propaganda which depicts Cuba's people as content and satisfied is completely misleading.

    Please go to Cuba and travel to any area besides Havana. See for yourself the rotting buildings, the 12-15 year old girls prostituting themselves, the fear in the eyes of those smiling people, because I will tell you, people there live afraid of everything. Those you see crying out "Viva Fidel" do not know anything else exists outside of Cuba and/or Castro because that is all they have know since they were born.

    Just a small example. The media in Cuba only shows what Castro decides is fitting, perhaps a Brazilian or Venezuelan soap opera serves as entertainment aside from two or three other channels showing only Communist led programming. Like I said, Castro is extremely intelligent and has managed to brainwash a country as well as most of the world into thinking he is a benefit and not a detriment to his people.

    There is fear and poverty in every part of the world. There are 15-year old prostitutes in America.
    Not that I believe you, anyway. Have you been there?
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  • browneyedgrl
    browneyedgrl Posts: 39
    gue_barium wrote:
    There is fear and poverty in every part of the world. There are 15-year old prostitutes in America.
    Not that I believe you, anyway. Have you been there?


    The question is, have you been there?

    I was born there and have been back only once to see family. Yes you are right there is prostitution everywhere and poverty everywhere including the U.S. It hurts me because my family has suffered too much because of that ass many people here admire. Cuba is falling apart literally, and it is not the fault of the U.S.

    You don't have to believe me, you are right about that as well, but it is the truth. People are discontent, oppressed, robbed of their God-given liberties and you can sit there at your keyboard and try to convince people otherwise. The point, no matter what, is that Cuba is a communist controlled regime that overpowers any freedoms you sit there and hold dear.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    browneyedgrl wrote:
    The question is, have you been there?

    I was born there and have been back only once to see family. Yes you are right there is prostitution everywhere and poverty everywhere including the U.S. It hurts me because my family has suffered too much because of that ass many people here admire. Cuba is falling apart literally, and it is not the fault of the U.S.

    You don't have to believe me, you are right about that as well, but it is the truth. People are discontent, oppressed, robbed of their God-given liberties and you can sit there at your keyboard and try to convince people otherwise. The point, no matter what, is that Cuba is a communist controlled regime that overpowers any freedoms you sit there and hold dear.

    You can take a political stance if you wish. I posted the link you questioned to show that there are alternative ways to approach this situation. Politics and the bigwigs that control politicians in America are trying to force a showdown between the American "way of life" and Castro's "communism". I don't buy into it.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    gue_barium wrote:
    You can take a political stance if you wish.

    ...THEN...
    I posted the link you questioned to show that there are alternative ways to approach this situation. Politics and the bigwigs that control politicians in America are trying to force a showdown between the American "way of life" and Castro's "communism". I don't buy into it.

    :confused:
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Trau wrote:
    But the American Empire has spread it's vines all over the world. Distance from the homeland is not an issue.


    a moot point that we disagree on.
  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Commy wrote:
    a moot point that we disagree on.

    You chose to spend a whole paragraph writing about it.
    In the shadow of the light from a black sun
    Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
    Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
    I'm freezing

    Are you afraid, afraid to die
    Don't be afraid, afraid to try
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Trau wrote:
    You chose to spend a whole paragraph writing about it.


    So I did. And I still believe it be the case, that the proximity to the center of power of an empire affects the level of control said empire has over a the specific region.

    Since then I have tried to convey the "agree to disagree" message so that we can end this pointless argument.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    ...THEN...



    :confused:

    What's the confusion?
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