Any Castro defenders here?

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Huh? I don't understand this. How does the US government stepping aside and dropping the embargo do these things?

    Cuba isn't "ripe enough" yet for the embargo to be lifted. Speaking through the eyes of our present government, if I may.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    It will improve slightly, but you are right in stating that it will not make a dramatic change. To lifting the embargo is more of a diplomatic improvment than an economic one.


    I dont know about this. dont you think american investment would greatly improve the cuban economy?
  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    I'll let Cubans decide about Castro. He does nothing for or against me. The only beef I ever had with him was routinely jailing reporters. Now, it seems, our government isn't above doing the same thing.

    I'm more interested with what's going to happen on that island when he dies. Wonder how long it takes for our monied interests to start getting their hands on things.

    One thing I always thought about -- until I started figuring out that I didn't want to get a hospitality and tourism degree -- was that Castro would die about the time I was due to graduate (May 2007) and it would be the wild west there for a while.

    Eventually, after the dust settled -- and assuming there wasn't another dictatorship the US government didn't like -- it would make one heckuva get-in-on-the-ground-floor place to go to carve out a living in the resort business.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    I'll let Cubans decide about Castro.


    cubans dont have a choice. oops
  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    jlew24asu wrote:
    cubans dont have a choice. oops
    Touche.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I dont know about this. dont you think american investment would greatly improve the cuban economy?

    It will bring more money to the island, but little of that will filter down to the people.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    It will bring more money to the island, but little of that will filter down to the people.

    even with a freely elected government in place (if)? I know it will take alot of time for that to work in cuba. that doesnt happen overnight but the people are the ones who create economies. it would create alot of jobs as well. but you know cuba much better then I, so I wont disagree with you.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    i got a dvd, audioslave in Cuba, and there's a lot of footage of the Cuban people. They live in absolute poverty, just run down cities, yet they have spirit, a strong sense of community. they don't have tv's, they have neighborhoods and friends and they all seemed to have such a positive spirit. despite the impoverished conditions-due in large part to the sanctions-it was truly inspiring to see the people so upbeat.

    when they're not trained from birth to compete against eachother it really is inspiring to see the results.
  • elmer
    elmer Posts: 1,683
    UKDave wrote:
    some American doctors training there as it's cheaper...
    can this be true??? americans are not allowed entry tho right?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Commy wrote:
    i got a dvd, audioslave in Cuba, and there's a lot of footage of the Cuban people. They live in absolute poverty, just run down cities, yet they have spirit, a strong sense of community. they don't have tv's, they have neighborhoods and friends and they all seemed to have such a positive spirit. despite the impoverished conditions-due in large part to the sanctions-it was truly inspiring to see the people so upbeat.

    when they're not trained from birth to compete against eachother it really is inspiring to see the results.

    Yes, cause God knows it's impossible to "have spirit", "a strong sense of community", "neighborhoods", "friends" and "a positive spirit" in America...
  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Commy wrote:
    i got a dvd, audioslave in Cuba, and there's a lot of footage of the Cuban people. They live in absolute poverty, just run down cities, yet they have spirit, a strong sense of community. they don't have tv's, they have neighborhoods and friends and they all seemed to have such a positive spirit. despite the impoverished conditions-due in large part to the sanctions-it was truly inspiring to see the people so upbeat.

    when they're not trained from birth to compete against eachother it really is inspiring to see the results.

    Yes, let us honor their poverty.


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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    And why are people under the impression that the US is blockading Cuba?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Trau wrote:
    And why are people under the impression that the US is blockading Cuba?


    um....i don't know...just an ill-informed wild guess perhaps? :rolleyes:
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    It must be, because that hasn't been the case since the Cuban missile crisis.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Yes, cause God knows it's impossible to "have spirit", "a strong sense of community", "neighborhoods", "friends" and "a positive spirit" in America...
    actually it is really hard. look at most major cities...crime is higher than anywhere else on the planet.

    communities in America don't even compare to what i saw in cuba.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Trau wrote:
    It must be, because that hasn't been the case since the Cuban missile crisis.
    so you can buy a cuban cigar legally?

    when the world's only superpower puts sanctions on you, and you happen to be right next door, and you happen to be a tiny island, your pretty much fucked.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Trau wrote:
    Yes, let us honor their poverty.


    ............


    that doesn't even make any sense. lets try treating them like human beings.
  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    impoverished areas generally have a much higher sense of community. This is because when people are down and out we lean on each other a bit more and look to each other for support. Even in many slum areas of cities, despite the crime rates, community thrives. In well off areas, people don't need community or help from anyone else.

    Of course this is a generalization and there are exceptions.
  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Commy wrote:
    so you can buy a cuban cigar legally?

    No, but what does that matter? Do you understand the difference between an embargo and a blockade? I am guessing that you do not.
    when the world's only superpower puts sanctions on you, and you happen to be right next door, and you happen to be a tiny island, your pretty much fucked.

    Cuba is free to trade with most of the other nations around the world, including those who are the most economically advanced.

    Secondly, size of land and proximity to the US are really not issues here as far as the effects of the embargo go.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Trau wrote:
    No, but what does that matter? Do you understand the difference between an embargo and a blockade? I am guessing that you do not.

    bad guess. I never said anything about a blockade, or an embaro for that matter.
    Cuba is free to trade with most of the other nations around the world, including those who are the most economically advanced.

    Secondly, size of land and proximity to the US are really not issues here as far as the effects of the embargo go.
    it seems to me that you have a very limited grasp of the world scene. THe US has 700+military bases around the world, some 30+ large size bases capable of launching stealth bombers and so on, not to mention the dozen or so carriers around the globe. This translates into an empire. When the US tells someone they can't trade with Cuba, they can't trade with CUba. Its that simple. US hegemony reaches all of South America (decades of brutal violence accomplished that), all of Central America, again conquered through force, parts of Asia, Africa, now reaching into the middle east, even most of the old Soviet block is being grabbed by the superpower.

    Then there's the direct support for cuban nationalists based in Cuba who are free to carry out terrorist operations agaisnt Cuba, have been for decades, including the downing of a passenger airliner. then there's the case where Cuban pigs were infected with some form of swine fever, resulting in the slaughter of over 500,000 pigs. The US reach is pretty big.

    when the US decides a course of action for, you can't say no, especially if your alone on an island.

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