i got a dvd, audioslave in Cuba, and there's a lot of footage of the Cuban people. They live in absolute poverty, just run down cities, yet they have spirit, a strong sense of community. they don't have tv's, they have neighborhoods and friends and they all seemed to have such a positive spirit. despite the impoverished conditions-due in large part to the sanctions-it was truly inspiring to see the people so upbeat.
when they're not trained from birth to compete against eachother it really is inspiring to see the results.
Yes, let us honor their poverty.
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In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
And why are people under the impression that the US is blockading Cuba?
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
It must be, because that hasn't been the case since the Cuban missile crisis.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
It must be, because that hasn't been the case since the Cuban missile crisis.
so you can buy a cuban cigar legally?
when the world's only superpower puts sanctions on you, and you happen to be right next door, and you happen to be a tiny island, your pretty much fucked.
impoverished areas generally have a much higher sense of community. This is because when people are down and out we lean on each other a bit more and look to each other for support. Even in many slum areas of cities, despite the crime rates, community thrives. In well off areas, people don't need community or help from anyone else.
Of course this is a generalization and there are exceptions.
No, but what does that matter? Do you understand the difference between an embargo and a blockade? I am guessing that you do not.
when the world's only superpower puts sanctions on you, and you happen to be right next door, and you happen to be a tiny island, your pretty much fucked.
Cuba is free to trade with most of the other nations around the world, including those who are the most economically advanced.
Secondly, size of land and proximity to the US are really not issues here as far as the effects of the embargo go.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
No, but what does that matter? Do you understand the difference between an embargo and a blockade? I am guessing that you do not.
bad guess. I never said anything about a blockade, or an embaro for that matter.
Cuba is free to trade with most of the other nations around the world, including those who are the most economically advanced.
Secondly, size of land and proximity to the US are really not issues here as far as the effects of the embargo go.
it seems to me that you have a very limited grasp of the world scene. THe US has 700+military bases around the world, some 30+ large size bases capable of launching stealth bombers and so on, not to mention the dozen or so carriers around the globe. This translates into an empire. When the US tells someone they can't trade with Cuba, they can't trade with CUba. Its that simple. US hegemony reaches all of South America (decades of brutal violence accomplished that), all of Central America, again conquered through force, parts of Asia, Africa, now reaching into the middle east, even most of the old Soviet block is being grabbed by the superpower.
Then there's the direct support for cuban nationalists based in Cuba who are free to carry out terrorist operations agaisnt Cuba, have been for decades, including the downing of a passenger airliner. then there's the case where Cuban pigs were infected with some form of swine fever, resulting in the slaughter of over 500,000 pigs. The US reach is pretty big.
when the US decides a course of action for, you can't say no, especially if your alone on an island.
bad guess. I never said anything about a blockade, or an embaro for that matter.
it seems to me that you have a very limited grasp of the world scene. THe US has 700+military bases around the world, some 30+ large size bases capable of launching stealth bombers and so on, not to mention the dozen or so carriers around the globe. This translates into an empire. When the US tells someone they can't trade with Cuba, they can't trade with CUba. Its that simple. US hegemony reaches all of South America (decades of brutal violence accomplished that), all of Central America, again conquered through force, parts of Asia, Africa, now reaching into the middle east, even most of the old Soviet block is being grabbed by the superpower.
Then there's the direct support for cuban nationalists based in Cuba who are free to carry out terrorist operations agaisnt Cuba, have been for decades, including the downing of a passenger airliner. then there's the case where Cuban pigs were infected with some form of swine fever, resulting in the slaughter of over 500,000 pigs. The US reach is pretty big.
when the US decides a course of action for, you can't say no, especially if your alone on an island.
Cuba isn't "ripe enough" yet for the embargo to be lifted. Speaking through the eyes of our present government, if I may.
What I mean by this is that Cuba will not accept the terms of an American-style Cuba. And our American powerhouses know this. If the embargo were lifted, things would be much the same as they are now. It is important to those with private interests in the "potential" corporate market of Cuba that they have an all-access style government in place. These are the people with their money heavily invested in their candidate/political party. That is our country/that is washington, DC.
What I mean by this is that Cuba will not accept the terms of an American-style Cuba. And our American powerhouses know this. If the embargo were lifted, things would be much the same as they are now. It is important to those with private interests in the "potential" corporate market of Cuba that they have an all-access style government in place. These are the people with their money heavily invested in their candidate/political party. That is our country/that is washington, DC.
bad guess. I never said anything about a blockade, or an embaro for that matter.
Your cigar question implied that I was wrong to suggest that no blockade exists.
it seems to me that you have a very limited grasp of the world scene. THe US has 700+military bases around the world, some 30+ large size bases capable of launching stealth bombers and so on, not to mention the dozen or so carriers around the globe. This translates into an empire. When the US tells someone they can't trade with Cuba, they can't trade with CUba. Its that simple. US hegemony reaches all of South America (decades of brutal violence accomplished that), all of Central America, again conquered through force, parts of Asia, Africa, now reaching into the middle east, even most of the old Soviet block is being grabbed by the superpower.
So what does any of this have to do with landmass or proximity to the United States?
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
the american government of the time, was all for castro's revolution. it wasn't until they realised they couldn't control him that they turned cold. and then diod evrything they could to undermine him. it is interesting to me that washington sees it as okay to trade with beijing despite china's horrendous human rights record, and yet can't seem to pull their head out of their arse when it comes to cuba.
That is not exactly it. Castro came down from Sierra Maestra and overthrew Batista with the promise of free elections. He told the people of Cuba he was as green as the palm, and then managed to through the next years of power, curse the U.S. and slowly take liberties and properties away from the Cuban people. He then declared himself a communist once the personal properties, civil liberties, and arms were taken from the people. Once the people of Cuba who wanted freedom and free elections were either out of the island or powerless, Castro declared himself the dictator he is.
I think people like you should get their head out of their butt and speak to people who lived his revolution, who escaped their home to find a place where they can express themselves and live freely, something like what you get to do without fear of imprisonment or death.
That is not exactly it. Castro came down from Sierra Maestra and overthrew Batista with the promise of free elections. He told the people of Cuba he was as green as the palm, and then managed to through the next years of power, curse the U.S. and slowly take liberties and properties away from the Cuban people. He then declared himself a communist once the personal properties, civil liberties, and arms were taken from the people. Once the people of Cuba who wanted freedom and free elections were either out of the island or powerless, Castro declared himself the dictator he is.
I think people like you should get their head out of their butt and speak to people who lived his revolution, who escaped their home to find a place where they can express themselves and live freely, something like what you get to do without fear of imprisonment or death.
What I mean by this is that Cuba will not accept the terms of an American-style Cuba. And our American powerhouses know this. If the embargo were lifted, things would be much the same as they are now. It is important to those with private interests in the "potential" corporate market of Cuba that they have an all-access style government in place. These are the people with their money heavily invested in their candidate/political party. That is our country/that is washington, DC.
Idiots.
talking to yourself again? classic gue move people. hilarious
Castro is extremely intelligent, genious even. Any propaganda which depicts Cuba's people as content and satisfied is completely misleading.
Please go to Cuba and travel to any area besides Havana. See for yourself the rotting buildings, the 12-15 year old girls prostituting themselves, the fear in the eyes of those smiling people, because I will tell you, people there live afraid of everything. Those you see crying out "Viva Fidel" do not know anything else exists outside of Cuba and/or Castro because that is all they have know since they were born.
Just a small example. The media in Cuba only shows what Castro decides is fitting, perhaps a Brazilian or Venezuelan soap opera serves as entertainment aside from two or three other channels showing only Communist led programming. Like I said, Castro is extremely intelligent and has managed to brainwash a country as well as most of the world into thinking he is a benefit and not a detriment to his people.
Your cigar question implied that I was wrong to suggest that no blockade exists.
i don't care.
So what does any of this have to do with landmass or proximity to the United States?
its easier to import or export resources if the guy triyng to stop you is half way across the world. if you live next door its easier to keep an eye on.
Indeed. Which is why you can't be bothered by nuance.
its easier to import or export resources if the guy triyng to stop you is half way across the world. if you live next door its easier to keep an eye on.
But the American Empire has spread it's vines all over the world. Distance from the homeland is not an issue.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
Castro is extremely intelligent, genious even. Any propaganda which depicts Cuba's people as content and satisfied is completely misleading.
Please go to Cuba and travel to any area besides Havana. See for yourself the rotting buildings, the 12-15 year old girls prostituting themselves, the fear in the eyes of those smiling people, because I will tell you, people there live afraid of everything. Those you see crying out "Viva Fidel" do not know anything else exists outside of Cuba and/or Castro because that is all they have know since they were born.
Just a small example. The media in Cuba only shows what Castro decides is fitting, perhaps a Brazilian or Venezuelan soap opera serves as entertainment aside from two or three other channels showing only Communist led programming. Like I said, Castro is extremely intelligent and has managed to brainwash a country as well as most of the world into thinking he is a benefit and not a detriment to his people.
There is fear and poverty in every part of the world. There are 15-year old prostitutes in America.
Not that I believe you, anyway. Have you been there?
There is fear and poverty in every part of the world. There are 15-year old prostitutes in America.
Not that I believe you, anyway. Have you been there?
The question is, have you been there?
I was born there and have been back only once to see family. Yes you are right there is prostitution everywhere and poverty everywhere including the U.S. It hurts me because my family has suffered too much because of that ass many people here admire. Cuba is falling apart literally, and it is not the fault of the U.S.
You don't have to believe me, you are right about that as well, but it is the truth. People are discontent, oppressed, robbed of their God-given liberties and you can sit there at your keyboard and try to convince people otherwise. The point, no matter what, is that Cuba is a communist controlled regime that overpowers any freedoms you sit there and hold dear.
I was born there and have been back only once to see family. Yes you are right there is prostitution everywhere and poverty everywhere including the U.S. It hurts me because my family has suffered too much because of that ass many people here admire. Cuba is falling apart literally, and it is not the fault of the U.S.
You don't have to believe me, you are right about that as well, but it is the truth. People are discontent, oppressed, robbed of their God-given liberties and you can sit there at your keyboard and try to convince people otherwise. The point, no matter what, is that Cuba is a communist controlled regime that overpowers any freedoms you sit there and hold dear.
You can take a political stance if you wish. I posted the link you questioned to show that there are alternative ways to approach this situation. Politics and the bigwigs that control politicians in America are trying to force a showdown between the American "way of life" and Castro's "communism". I don't buy into it.
I posted the link you questioned to show that there are alternative ways to approach this situation. Politics and the bigwigs that control politicians in America are trying to force a showdown between the American "way of life" and Castro's "communism". I don't buy into it.
You chose to spend a whole paragraph writing about it.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
You chose to spend a whole paragraph writing about it.
So I did. And I still believe it be the case, that the proximity to the center of power of an empire affects the level of control said empire has over a the specific region.
Since then I have tried to convey the "agree to disagree" message so that we can end this pointless argument.
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Yes, let us honor their poverty.
............
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
um....i don't know...just an ill-informed wild guess perhaps? :rolleyes:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
communities in America don't even compare to what i saw in cuba.
when the world's only superpower puts sanctions on you, and you happen to be right next door, and you happen to be a tiny island, your pretty much fucked.
that doesn't even make any sense. lets try treating them like human beings.
Of course this is a generalization and there are exceptions.
No, but what does that matter? Do you understand the difference between an embargo and a blockade? I am guessing that you do not.
Cuba is free to trade with most of the other nations around the world, including those who are the most economically advanced.
Secondly, size of land and proximity to the US are really not issues here as far as the effects of the embargo go.
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
bad guess. I never said anything about a blockade, or an embaro for that matter. it seems to me that you have a very limited grasp of the world scene. THe US has 700+military bases around the world, some 30+ large size bases capable of launching stealth bombers and so on, not to mention the dozen or so carriers around the globe. This translates into an empire. When the US tells someone they can't trade with Cuba, they can't trade with CUba. Its that simple. US hegemony reaches all of South America (decades of brutal violence accomplished that), all of Central America, again conquered through force, parts of Asia, Africa, now reaching into the middle east, even most of the old Soviet block is being grabbed by the superpower.
Then there's the direct support for cuban nationalists based in Cuba who are free to carry out terrorist operations agaisnt Cuba, have been for decades, including the downing of a passenger airliner. then there's the case where Cuban pigs were infected with some form of swine fever, resulting in the slaughter of over 500,000 pigs. The US reach is pretty big.
when the US decides a course of action for, you can't say no, especially if your alone on an island.
Alone.
Nice post Commy.
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where is it?
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What I mean by this is that Cuba will not accept the terms of an American-style Cuba. And our American powerhouses know this. If the embargo were lifted, things would be much the same as they are now. It is important to those with private interests in the "potential" corporate market of Cuba that they have an all-access style government in place. These are the people with their money heavily invested in their candidate/political party. That is our country/that is washington, DC.
Idiots.
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Chasing the Bank.
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Your cigar question implied that I was wrong to suggest that no blockade exists.
So what does any of this have to do with landmass or proximity to the United States?
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
Lots of places. Here, for example.
That is not exactly it. Castro came down from Sierra Maestra and overthrew Batista with the promise of free elections. He told the people of Cuba he was as green as the palm, and then managed to through the next years of power, curse the U.S. and slowly take liberties and properties away from the Cuban people. He then declared himself a communist once the personal properties, civil liberties, and arms were taken from the people. Once the people of Cuba who wanted freedom and free elections were either out of the island or powerless, Castro declared himself the dictator he is.
I think people like you should get their head out of their butt and speak to people who lived his revolution, who escaped their home to find a place where they can express themselves and live freely, something like what you get to do without fear of imprisonment or death.
well said. and I couldnt agree more.
talking to yourself again? classic gue move people. hilarious
What is this supposed to be?
Castro is extremely intelligent, genious even. Any propaganda which depicts Cuba's people as content and satisfied is completely misleading.
Please go to Cuba and travel to any area besides Havana. See for yourself the rotting buildings, the 12-15 year old girls prostituting themselves, the fear in the eyes of those smiling people, because I will tell you, people there live afraid of everything. Those you see crying out "Viva Fidel" do not know anything else exists outside of Cuba and/or Castro because that is all they have know since they were born.
Just a small example. The media in Cuba only shows what Castro decides is fitting, perhaps a Brazilian or Venezuelan soap opera serves as entertainment aside from two or three other channels showing only Communist led programming. Like I said, Castro is extremely intelligent and has managed to brainwash a country as well as most of the world into thinking he is a benefit and not a detriment to his people.
i don't care.
its easier to import or export resources if the guy triyng to stop you is half way across the world. if you live next door its easier to keep an eye on.
Indeed. Which is why you can't be bothered by nuance.
But the American Empire has spread it's vines all over the world. Distance from the homeland is not an issue.
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
There is fear and poverty in every part of the world. There are 15-year old prostitutes in America.
Not that I believe you, anyway. Have you been there?
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The question is, have you been there?
I was born there and have been back only once to see family. Yes you are right there is prostitution everywhere and poverty everywhere including the U.S. It hurts me because my family has suffered too much because of that ass many people here admire. Cuba is falling apart literally, and it is not the fault of the U.S.
You don't have to believe me, you are right about that as well, but it is the truth. People are discontent, oppressed, robbed of their God-given liberties and you can sit there at your keyboard and try to convince people otherwise. The point, no matter what, is that Cuba is a communist controlled regime that overpowers any freedoms you sit there and hold dear.
You can take a political stance if you wish. I posted the link you questioned to show that there are alternative ways to approach this situation. Politics and the bigwigs that control politicians in America are trying to force a showdown between the American "way of life" and Castro's "communism". I don't buy into it.
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...THEN...
a moot point that we disagree on.
You chose to spend a whole paragraph writing about it.
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
So I did. And I still believe it be the case, that the proximity to the center of power of an empire affects the level of control said empire has over a the specific region.
Since then I have tried to convey the "agree to disagree" message so that we can end this pointless argument.
What's the confusion?
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