Any Castro defenders here?

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no, I asked you a question

    Did you check the link?
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    Bolded for emphasis, surplus or not. Cuba isn't doing much trading. Land mass and the ability to use is (and what it offers) is quite important to a country that isn't doing much trading.

    It's good that they aren't doing much trading, since they have little to trade. Cuba isn't doing much producing, which is kind of a requirement for trade.

    That said, Cuba does trade to the tune of negative $6b / year. They trade with Canada. They trade with Japan. They trade with China. They trade with Venezuela. The list goes on. Absent is only America.
    And Russia is new to this whole market thing.

    Not really. Russia has been operating on the international capitalist market for a very long time.
    To put it another way, if I kick a lion in the face, it's likely to shake it off shortly before tearing me a new one. If I kick my pet cat in the face with the same force, it'll kill it.

    Hehe...so let me get this straight. If you called my business one day and asked to buy my product and I simply said "no", that would be a "kick in the face"???

    Look, I think the embargo should be lifted today. I think it's silly, counterproductive, and immoral. But to suggest that Cuba would be some kind of wonderful economic engine without the embargo is ridiculous.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and its america's fault? or castro's?

    You think Cuba is blockading itself?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    In response to Cuba's alignment with the Soviet Union during the Cold War

    So following that logic, it'd be o.k for Russia to block trade with any country that aligned itself with the U.S during the cold war?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    You think Cuba is blockading itself?

    cuba is free to do business with whomever it wants except the US who castro choose to be enemies with. but like i've said many times before, I want the embargo gone.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Look, I think the embargo should be lifted today. I think it's silly, counterproductive, and immoral. But to suggest that Cuba would be some kind of wonderful economic engine without the embargo is ridiculous.
    Show me where I suggested that. I suggested that Cuba would be in better shape, I said nothing about it being wonderful. I was also suggesting why the embargo hurts Cuba more than America, I said nothing about America being Cuba's only problem.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Byrnzie wrote:
    You think Cuba is blockading itself?

    You don't like this olive branch peace thing. Alright. That's fine. You can't say I didn't try.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...so let me get this straight. If you called my business one day and asked to buy my product and I simply said "no", that would be a "kick in the face"???
    Depends on the business. Say if I'm in the shipping business and the only gasoline distributor is you and you refuse to sell gasoline to me - yeah, that would be a kick in the face.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    They produce the best cigars in the world, I can only imagine the rum is stellar, and with a little capital I can only imagine how awesome the island would be for tourism. I'm not a fan of Castro, but I'd like to be able to do business with Cuba as an American, and to be quite honest if they keep all that tourism money at home and don't allow American intrests to root, that's fine with me too. If we adopted the Fair tax a lot of that money in the Caymans would come home.

    With this ridiculous ethanol kick....perhaps the sugar and tobacco lobby in the US will finally succumb to pressure and we will once again do business with Cuba.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    gue_barium wrote:
    You don't like this olive branch peace thing. Alright. That's fine. You can't say I didn't try.

    I don't know what you're talking about.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    Depends on the business. Say if I'm in the shipping business and the only gasoline distributor is you and you refuse to sell gasoline to me - yeah, that would be a kick in the face.

    First, that's a poor analogy. The US is not the only "gasoline distributor", so to speak.

    Secondly, if I were the only gasoline distributer, you still wouldn't have a fundamental right to my gas. Simply refusing to sell it to you wouldn't be a "kick in the face".
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    Show me where I suggested that. I suggested that Cuba would be in better shape, I said nothing about it being wonderful. I was also suggesting why the embargo hurts Cuba more than America, I said nothing about America being Cuba's only problem.

    You didn't suggest that. It just seems to be the underlying current in this thread. To hold up Cuban poverty and blame the American embargo seems to suggest that, absent the embargo, those Cubans wouldn't be poor.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I don't know what you're talking about.

    lmao. sorry. i screwed up. i thought i was replying to jlew.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    First, that's a poor analogy. The US is not the only "gasoline distributor", so to speak.
    Not as poor as suggesting that the U.S. and Cuba are on equal footing.
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Secondly, if I were the only gasoline distributer, you still wouldn't have a fundamental right to my gas. Simply refusing to sell it to you wouldn't be a "kick in the face".
    Where did I suggest that I'd have a fundamental right to your gas? All I suggested was that your refusing to sell it to me would hurt my business.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    gue_barium wrote:
    lmao. sorry. i screwed up. i thought i was replying to jlew.

    :eek:
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You didn't suggest that. It just seems to be the underlying current in this thread. To hold up Cuban poverty and blame the American embargo seems to suggest that, absent the embargo, those Cubans wouldn't be poor.
    They'd likely be less poor.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    Not as poor as suggesting that the U.S. and Cuba are on equal footing.

    They are, in terms of the mechanics of an embargo. Both are precluded from trading from the other.
    Where did I suggest that I'd have a fundamental right to your gas? All I suggested was that your refusing to sell it to me would hurt my business.

    You suggested it was a "kick in the face".
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I don't know what you're talking about.

    lol I know right?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You didn't suggest that. It just seems to be the underlying current in this thread. To hold up Cuban poverty and blame the American embargo seems to suggest that, absent the embargo, those Cubans wouldn't be poor.

    I'd say that to lift a trade blockade on a country would result in that country becoming weathier. But then, that's just a hunch.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    They'd likely be less poor.

    Yes, they likely would be less poor. They'd still be dirt poor, however.

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