Any Castro defenders here?

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    Trau wrote:
    Just curious.
    he must like the cars from the 50's because that is all i ever see in any video footage from there .......
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    I think you just look for reasons to hate.

    and who do I hate?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    there is a reason why that embargo was put in place.

    Please enlighten us as to why the illegal embargo was put in place.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and who do I hate?

    There ya go, still looking...
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Yes, I understand that. But based on the logic of embargo-as-primary-cause-of-misery, how come the embargo's effects on America are not equal to its effects on Cuba? I mean, I can't buy Cuban products just like they can't by mine. Yet how come things are better for me?
    Because America sits as a world power with far reaching influence and just about every resource imaginable right within it's tremendous land mass; and Cuba is smaller than Pennsylvania?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Cubans have suffered more over the last 50 years as a result of the illegal U.S blockade than as a result of anything else.
    And I'm not an expert, but when I see images of happy, smiling Cubans dancing in the streets, drinking rum and soaking up life, I get the unusual feeling that they are more 'free' than most Americans, or British, for that matter.
    I think we need to qualify what we mean by 'free' when referring to Cuba and Cubans.


    Which is it? Sentence 1 or sentence 2? Are they suffering, or are they happily dancing in the streets?
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    RainDog wrote:
    Because America sits as a world power with far reaching influence and just about every resource imaginable right within it's tremendous land mass; and Cuba is smaller than Pennsylvania?

    Because the U.S is imposing a blockade on Cuba, meaning it has had to be totally self-sufficient for 50 years. The U.S has blocked any country from importing goods into Cuba. A pretty fucked-up situation really.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jeffbr wrote:
    Which is it? Sentence 1 or sentence 2? Are they suffering, or are they happily dancing in the streets?

    Meaning they are poor materially, but wealthy in other ways.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    There ya go, still looking...

    you make no fucking sense, move on
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    Because America sits as a world power with far reaching influence and just about every resource imaginable right within it's tremendous land mass; and Cuba is smaller than Pennsylvania?

    Japan is only 3 times the size of Cuba and 1/16 the size of America, yet they operate at a trade surplus with America. Russia is 4 times the size of America, yet their economy pales in comparison to ours. Land mass, in the context of production and modernization, isn't worth much.
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Yes, I understand that. But based on the logic of embargo-as-primary-cause-of-misery, how come the embargo's effects on America are not equal to its effects on Cuba? I mean, I can't buy Cuban products just like they can't by mine. Yet how come things are better for me?
    The embargo is on Cuba, not the US. The US can trade with the rest of the world. Something Cuba is largely hindered in doing. In your terms, you (the americans) can buy the products elsewhere, while Cuba can't sell their own.

    Isn't that pretty obvious?

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Please enlighten us as to why the illegal embargo was put in place.


    In response to Cuba's alignment with the Soviet Union during the Cold War
  • CaterinaA
    CaterinaA Posts: 572
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Because the U.S is imposing a blockade on Cuba, meaning it has had to be totally self-sufficient for 50 years. The U.S has blocked any country from importing goods into Cuba. A pretty fucked-up situation really.

    I really don't want to get into this debate, 'cause from my point of view, is pointless. There is no middle ground about him or his regime. Personally, I don't like dictators, regardless of their political orientation...

    I just wanted to stress that Cuba did not have to be self-sufficient. For decades the USSR fully supported Cuba's economy and its operations in other Latin American countries. Self-sufficency, so to speak, only became necessary after the USSR dissolution. By the way, I'm not trying to neglect the impact of the economic embargo.

    Peace,
    Caterina
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    The embargo is on Cuba, not the US. The US can trade with the rest of the world. Something Cuba is largely hindered in doing. In your terms, you (the americans) can buy the products elsewhere, while Cuba can't sell their own.

    Isn't that pretty obvious?

    Cuba can and does sell their products to the rest of the world. The Embargo is effectively a two-way street. I can't buy their products. They can't buy mine.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you make no fucking sense, move on

    Here's an olive branch from me to you. Check out these unhappy people:

    http://www.canadacuba.ca/
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Japan is only 3 times the size of Cuba and 1/16 the size of America, yet they operate at a trade surplus with America. Russia is 4 times the size of America, yet their economy pales in comparison to ours. Land mass, in the context of production and modernization, isn't worth much.
    Bolded for emphasis, surplus or not. Cuba isn't doing much trading. Land mass and the ability to use is (and what it offers) is quite important to a country that isn't doing much trading.

    And Russia is new to this whole market thing.

    To put it another way, if I kick a lion in the face, it's likely to shake it off shortly before tearing me a new one. If I kick my pet cat in the face with the same force, it'll kill it.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    Here's an olive branch from me to you. Check out these unhappy people:

    http://www.canadacuba.ca/

    and its america's fault? or castro's?
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Japan is only 3 times the size of Cuba and 1/16 the size of America, yet they operate at a trade surplus with America. Russia is 4 times the size of America, yet their economy pales in comparison to ours. Land mass, in the context of production and modernization, isn't worth much.

    Yet, being neighborly might.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and its america's fault? or castro's?

    jeez jlew. i hope you're putting me on.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    jeez jlew. i hope you're putting me on.

    no, I asked you a question

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