Boycott The Nfl

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    i compare it to an Exxon building being damaged in a natural disaster and FEMA paying to rebuild it, when they are the most profitable company on the face of the earth

    now do you get my point since it is not your beloved NFL?

    nothing to do with your orignial arugment. you are not accepting the fact that the money spent on the Superdome is well worth it, no matter who foot the bill.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    giventoflyjbs wrote:
    ever go to downtown hartford, connecticut, recently? it's a fucking wasteland because peter karmanos took the whalers to north carolina. the loss of that team provided one more reason for suburbanites to stay in their cushy little towns and not come downtown.

    used to be that the whalers gave the downtown area 40 nights a year of increased revenue and respectibility. no longer.

    so there's one example. would you like me to point out more? because i could.


    you are saying a hockey team leaving ruined hartford economically? you have to be kidding
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    my2hands wrote:
    you are saying a hockey team leaving ruined hartford economically? you have to be kidding

    Well it probably didn't help.

    http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1997/vp970101/01010245.htm
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
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    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    i call bullshit!

    i live 30 minutes from the Philly sports complex and i have been to a fair share of events... everyone hops off of the I-95 ramp, gets drunk in the parking lot, goes to the game and buys $4 hotdogs...then when the game is over they get back in their cars and hop back on the I-95 ramp and leave the city, without spening a dime in the actual city

    same with the NY/Nj complex... it is an off-ramp, and that is it...when the event is over everyone leaves

    i have seen a few where they actually draw people downtown like Fenway, baltimore, and Wrigley... but all in all i dont see how it really is that big of a deal


    *newsflash*

    nobody travels to see the Saints? they have always sucked and will always suck, i say they drain more money out of the community than anything else by charging outrageous amounts for tickets and food?

    ever been to a football game? people bring food and beer from home, tailgate in the parking lot, then go home after the game is over, how is that "generating revenue"
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Solat13 wrote:
    Well it probably didn't help.

    http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1997/vp970101/01010245.htm


    it is a pretty sad state of affairs in this country when a hockey team is your economic base for a city?

    it is funny how pathetic it is becoming that the only ideas people have for "generating revenue" is a sports complex or a casino?

    ask atlactic city how "generating revenue" is going for them...it is a shit hole with billion doallar palaces... the people still live in squaler, and always will

    has the philly sports complex helped the ghetto's on your city good friend? how about your neighborhood? you live in philly, has the new stadiums helped your area of town? i know Kensington is really on the way up because of the 4 pro teams in philly?
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    my2hands wrote:

    nobody travels to see the Saints? they have always sucked and will always suck, i say they drain more money out of the community than anything else by charging outrageous amounts for tickets and food?

    ever been to a football game? people bring food and beer from home, tailgate in the parking lot, then go home after the game is over, how is that "generating revenue"
    Routing for the Saints is kind of like routing for the Democrats - you never really expect them to be any good. Hell, people here used to show up at games with bags on their heads. But they still showed up.

    Have you ever been to a football game in New Orleans? Sure, lots of people go home afterward; but lots more funnel into the French Quarter with open wallets.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    my2hands wrote:
    it is a pretty sad state of affairs in this country when a hockey team is your economic base for a city?

    it is funny how pathetic it is becoming that the only ideas people have for "generating revenue" is a sports complex or a casino?

    ask atlactic city how "generating revenue" is going for them...it is a shit hole with billion doallar palaces... the people still live in squaler, and always will

    has the philly sports complex helped the ghetto's on your city good friend? how about your neighborhood? you live in philly, has the new stadiums helped your area of town? i know Kensington is really on the way up because of the 4 pro teams in philly?

    Actually yes it has. I live in South Philly - right by the Italian Market and Pat's and Geno's and every Phillies Home game and Eagles Home Game there are a ton of people down in South Philly. 3 new restaurants have opened up by me, and a new bar/restaurant across from Pat's and Geno's, a new sports bar a few blocks away, and several other pizza/hoagie places. Plus the stores that were floundering up Passyunk Avenue have seen a resurgence with all the new foot traffic by the added people visiting the area.

    Plus the property value of my house has gone up about 75% in the last 5 years since the Linc and CB Park have opened.

    When the NBA Allstar game was in town a few years ago it was nuts down in South Philly - probably the 2nd busiest I'ever seen it in terms of traffic other than when the RNC was in town.

    So sports does have a huge effect on the local economy.

    I mean Baltimore built it's Inner Harbor after the Orioles moved into Camden Yards.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
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    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    my2hands wrote:
    i call bullshit!

    i live 30 minutes from the Philly sports complex and i have been to a fair share of events... everyone hops off of the I-95 ramp, gets drunk in the parking lot, goes to the game and buys $4 hotdogs...then when the game is over they get back in their cars and hop back on the I-95 ramp and leave the city, without spening a dime in the actual city

    same with the NY/Nj complex... it is an off-ramp, and that is it...when the event is over everyone leaves

    i have seen a few where they actually draw people downtown like Fenway, baltimore, and Wrigley... but all in all i dont see how it really is that big of a deal


    *newsflash*

    nobody travels to see the Saints? they have always sucked and will always suck, i say they drain more money out of the community than anything else by charging outrageous amounts for tickets and food?

    ever been to a football game? people bring food and beer from home, tailgate in the parking lot, then go home after the game is over, how is that "generating revenue"

    Parking = tax revenue for the city (I don't know about New Orleans, but for one example, the tax rate for parking in Pittsburgh is 50% - half of all of the money spent on parking goes to the city).

    Amusement Tax - Again, not sure about the taxes in NO, but most cities/counties add a tax to every ticket sold. With the number of seats in the superdome, that is adds up quickly.

    Again, all of the part time and full time jobs provided.

    Hotels and resturants - With games, concerts, conventions, etc, there are alot of people who stay and eat in any city. Try to get a table or a room near the venue when a big show or game is going on.

    And as said many many times... the NFL is a tenent in the building, if they were as greedy as you say, they would have just moved the team and got it over with.
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  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    blackredyellow wrote:
    And as said many many times... the NFL is a tenent in the building, if they were as greedy as you say, they would have just moved the team and got it over with.

    Yeah, and also, football is awesome - by far my favorites sport to watch. I'd only be hurting myself if I were to boycott it.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    i call bullshit!

    i live 30 minutes from the Philly sports complex and i have been to a fair share of events... everyone hops off of the I-95 ramp, gets drunk in the parking lot, goes to the game and buys $4 hotdogs...then when the game is over they get back in their cars and hop back on the I-95 ramp and leave the city, without spening a dime in the actual city

    same with the NY/Nj complex... it is an off-ramp, and that is it...when the event is over everyone leaves

    i have seen a few where they actually draw people downtown like Fenway, baltimore, and Wrigley... but all in all i dont see how it really is that big of a deal


    *newsflash*

    nobody travels to see the Saints? they have always sucked and will always suck, i say they drain more money out of the community than anything else by charging outrageous amounts for tickets and food?

    ever been to a football game? people bring food and beer from home, tailgate in the parking lot, then go home after the game is over, how is that "generating revenue"

    I cant believe how wrong you are. people dont drive in and drive out like you say. maybe you do. there are always people who fly in, maybe to see a friend and catch a game, stay in a hotel, people who eat at places other then at their car. you are claiming EVERYONE comes in and leaves without spending a dime in the surrounding area. that is so damn false is laughable.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I cant believe how wrong you are. people dont drive in and drive out like you say. maybe you do. there are always people who fly in, maybe to see a friend and catch a game, stay in a hotel, people who eat at places other then at their car. you are claiming EVERYONE comes in and leaves without spending a dime in the surrounding area. that is so damn false is laughable.


    I guess he's claiming no one in Philly ever bought a beer in the stadium. I guess that's why Eagles fans are among the most polite and well behaved in all of football. :rolleyes:
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    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
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    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    Solat13 wrote:
    Actually yes it has. I live in South Philly - right by the Italian Market and Pat's and Geno's and every Phillies Home game and Eagles Home Game there are a ton of people down in South Philly. 3 new restaurants have opened up by me, and a new bar/restaurant across from Pat's and Geno's, a new sports bar a few blocks away, and several other pizza/hoagie places. Plus the stores that were floundering up Passyunk Avenue have seen a resurgence with all the new foot traffic by the added people visiting the area.

    Plus the property value of my house has gone up about 75% in the last 5 years since the Linc and CB Park have opened.

    When the NBA Allstar game was in town a few years ago it was nuts down in South Philly - probably the 2nd busiest I'ever seen it in terms of traffic other than when the RNC was in town.

    So sports does have a huge effect on the local economy.

    I mean Baltimore built it's Inner Harbor after the Orioles moved into Camden Yards.
    The Inner Harbor was improved long before Camden Yards. Harborplace was built in 1980, Camden Yards opened in 1992.
    The fact remains that these facilities should not be built with taxpayer money. There are numerous studies showing that public financed stadiums are not the economic powerhouses people seem to think they are. Here is another study done for NYC regarding the Mets & Yankees: http://www.ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/doubleplay.html

    I am all for building new stadiums, its just that I feel the League and/or Owners should foot the bill as they are the primary benificiary.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    1970RR wrote:
    The Inner Harbor was improved long before Camden Yards. Harborplace was built in 1980, Camden Yards opened in 1992.
    The fact remains that these facilities should not be built with taxpayer money. There are numerous studies showing that public financed stadiums are not the economic powerhouses people seem to think they are. Here is another study done for NYC regarding the Mets & Yankees: http://www.ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/doubleplay.html

    I am all for building new stadiums, its just that I feel the League and/or Owners should foot the bill as they are the primary benificiary.


    thats great, but when a natural disaster takes out a city, I believe its ok for taxpayer money to help rebuild. even a stadium that has many uses other then NFL football
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    1970RR wrote:
    The Inner Harbor was improved long before Camden Yards. Harborplace was built in 1980, Camden Yards opened in 1992.
    The fact remains that these facilities should not be built with taxpayer money. There are numerous studies showing that public financed stadiums are not the economic powerhouses people seem to think they are. Here is another study done for NYC regarding the Mets & Yankees: http://www.ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/doubleplay.html

    I am all for building new stadiums, its just that I feel the League and/or Owners should foot the bill as they are the primary benificiary.
    We are in an apples and oranges situation here, folks. Some of us are referring to primarily one-use stadiums......Yankee Stadium, Heinz Field, Camden Yards etc. The center of the debate is a multi-use facility.......the Superdome. It has a big roof, thus it is enclosed. It hosts basketball games, football games, religious events, car shows, actual conventions and concerts. Once again, it should be mentioned that the dome is not owned by the NFL or the New Orleans Saints. It is a public building that draws people and their wallets into the region.

    I can tell you from direct experience that the Sugar Bowl makes a buttload of money for the region.......most fans are there for at least three days in a hotel.........eating at restaurants besides the Mickey D's.....and spending money on lots and lots of booze.
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  • reditalian
    reditalian Posts: 329
    hippiemom wrote:
    There's always college and, better yet, high school ball. More fun to watch anyway, who needs the NFL?

    I love college football, maybe even more then the NFL but I could never stop watching the Big Boys.
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    my2hands wrote:
    you are saying a hockey team leaving ruined hartford economically? you have to be kidding

    no, i'm not kidding. i'm telling you the truth - that the whalers were one of the only reasons people had to go to downtown hartford and spend money. when they left for the carolinas, that was 40 fewer nights out of the year that the city could attract visitors to the downtown area.

    hartford has always had a lot of problems, and the whalers leaving the city was the nail in the coffin. on the average night, more people head to the downtown area of the suburb of west hartford that downtown hartford. before the whalers left, there was a reason for businesses such as restaurants, etc., to expect a lot of people to be in the area around the civic center. now there is no reason for people to be downtown after 5pm, and therefore the majority of new businesses are opening in the surrounding towns - not downtown.
  • OneLove
    OneLove Posts: 563
    my2hands wrote:
    i am not saying you leave it in disrepair, i am saying that the Federal Government should not have to pay for almost the entire reconstruction project when there are more pressing human issues to address


    Seriously Man, what more do you need than someone from new Orleans telling you that there are much bigger problems there.....

    It must be nice to be so grandeous from your tree in... Deleware was it?

    You obviously have a lot of energy, or simply an axe to grind with the NFL for some reason. Why not put your energy where your mouth is, actually do something that will make a difference. If you took 5 minutes of your time to post some links to charities that are supporting the recovery in New Orleans, you would have made a positive change by now. I am sure folks would take the time to donate what they could.

    Instead, you try and promote a boycott of the NFL. Well thats great, but I think there are alot of fans living in or displaced from the New Orleans area who will be tuning in again this year, especially to watch the Saints play back at home, where they should be.
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    my2hands wrote:
    After learning that the Superdome repairs cost approx. $175 million, and that FEMA (aka me and your tax $) paid $160 million towards that, and the NFL contributed ONLY $15 million, i have decided to never watch another NFL event. I think it is flat out fucking disgusting that the NFL only kicked in less that 10% of the $ needed, and FEMA gave $160 million when houses are still not being built? I persoanlly think they should have paid the entire bill, because they are such a succesful business. I mean $175 million is chump change for that league and its EXTREMELY wealthy owners. Not to mention all the tax $ they have used to build their state of the art stadiums. Not to mention the extreme salaries these guys are making ($10 million a year for throwing a football when teachers in this country can barely make it day to day)

    I know it is tough for some to do, i have grown up watching and playing football all of my life. Sunday's in my home were reserved for football, I watch monday night footabll like most everyone else, and I of course party it up for the super bowl like the rest of the country. But, i can only take so much greed, and i have had enough, no more of my money for these greedy fucks. I am through.


    The Washington Redskins franchise is currently valued at OVER $1 BILLION DOLLARS? you cant tell me that federal tax $ had to go to the stadium when houses are still not being built?

    WHO IS WITH ME?

    sorry, not with you. I love football.
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    my2hands wrote:
    i call bullshit!

    i live 30 minutes from the Philly sports complex and i have been to a fair share of events... everyone hops off of the I-95 ramp, gets drunk in the parking lot, goes to the game and buys $4 hotdogs...then when the game is over they get back in their cars and hop back on the I-95 ramp and leave the city, without spening a dime in the actual city

    same with the NY/Nj complex... it is an off-ramp, and that is it...when the event is over everyone leaves

    You paid for parking so thanks for the contribution. And I guess the Yankees and Red Sox didn't bring any revenue into Philly this year either. I mean just think, Philly wage tax applied to both of those payrolls for the amount of games they played here this year, plus hotel tax, and whatever was spent on food and beverage.... yeah no revenue for Philly though. Sporting events don't bring any revenue into cities, do they???
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    my2hands wrote:
    After learning that the Superdome repairs cost approx. $175 million, and that FEMA (aka me and your tax $) paid $160 million towards that, and the NFL contributed ONLY $15 million, i have decided to never watch another NFL event. I think it is flat out fucking disgusting that the NFL only kicked in less that 10% of the $ needed, and FEMA gave $160 million when houses are still not being built? I persoanlly think they should have paid the entire bill, because they are such a succesful business. I mean $175 million is chump change for that league and its EXTREMELY wealthy owners. Not to mention all the tax $ they have used to build their state of the art stadiums. Not to mention the extreme salaries these guys are making ($10 million a year for throwing a football when teachers in this country can barely make it day to day)

    I know it is tough for some to do, i have grown up watching and playing football all of my life. Sunday's in my home were reserved for football, I watch monday night footabll like most everyone else, and I of course party it up for the super bowl like the rest of the country. But, i can only take so much greed, and i have had enough, no more of my money for these greedy fucks. I am through.


    The Washington Redskins franchise is currently valued at OVER $1 BILLION DOLLARS? you cant tell me that federal tax $ had to go to the stadium when houses are still not being built?

    WHO IS WITH ME?

    I usually agree with what you have to say. But we all knew that this day was coming before the season started. So I have to ask:

    Will we all be getting a bye when we have to play you in the NFL pool that you started because you are deleting your team? :)

    By the way. How did that week one loss taste? ;)

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