Dramatic 911 call from right before shooting released

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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    they got what they deserve. fuck em. dont steal shit. They should give the guy a medal and i'm not joking.
  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    MrSmith wrote:
    they got what they deserve. fuck em. dont steal shit. They should give the guy a medal and i'm not joking.

    So if stealing warrants being shot and killed, what else does? Running a stop sign? How about littering? Public Urination=Severed Penis? That'll teach 'em!
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    yeee haw...

    now that precedent has been set, the next time some fucker speeds past me while I'm traveling the speed limit...I'm gonna ratta tat tat their ass...they put my life in danger and I should be able to kill them...

    right...?
  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    inmytree wrote:
    yeee haw...

    now that precedent has been set, the next time some fucker speeds past me while I'm traveling the speed limit...I'm gonna ratta tat tat there ass...they put my life in danger and I should be able to kill them...

    right...?

    Fire Away! Just make sure they're not sporting a PJ bumper sticker, as it may be me!
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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    inmytree wrote:
    yeee haw...

    now that precedent has been set, the next time some fucker speeds past me while I'm traveling the speed limit...I'm gonna ratta tat tat there ass...they put my life in danger and I should be able to kill them...

    right...?

    The speeder is putting more lives in danger than the DVD-toting burgler on his way out of a house.

    I used take my friends' keys when they were drunk, but hey, they may hotwire their own car and drive, putting lives in danger. I better not take a chance. Next time, I'm'a have to shoot 'em.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    inmytree wrote:
    yeee haw...

    now that precedent has been set, the next time some fucker speeds past me while I'm traveling the speed limit...I'm gonna ratta tat tat there ass...they put my life in danger and I should be able to kill them...

    right...?

    wrong. there has to be imminent danger. you can't shoot someone running away. there's a law in texas that says it's illegal to shoot someone in the back. if horn did; he'll be prosecuted under that law. home invasions are something different. if someone is home; they're usually killed or injured. it happened in phoenix yesterday. if you're waken by a noise; and see a stranger going into your childs room; are you going to wait to see if he has a weapon?
    like i said; it all comes down to common sense and what a jury will decide. in most cases; it's the jury that decides if the shooting was justified.
  • Jennytree
    Jennytree Posts: 5,340
    MrSmith wrote:
    they got what they deserve. fuck em. dont steal shit. They should give the guy a medal and i'm not joking.


    wtf?! Its idiots like you and Horn that shouldn't be allowed near guns in the first place. He was just a pissed-off man on a power trip, there was absolutely NO NEED to KILL these two people. How does he know their circumstances? Sure, nothing can excuse what they did, but everyone makes mistakes.


    Also, glad none of my neighbours have a gun, I've been caught breaking into my own house after forgetting my key on a night out.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Jennytree wrote:
    wtf?! Its idiots like you and Horn that shouldn't be allowed near guns in the first place. He was just a pissed-off man on a power trip, there was absolutely NO NEED to KILL these two people. How does he know their circumstances? Sure, nothing can excuse what they did, but everyone makes mistakes.


    Also, glad none of my neighbours have a gun, I've been caught breaking into my own house after forgetting my key on a night out.

    and i'm glad ALL of my neighbours have guns and will protect me when i need it.

    also; do you know horn or are you just spouting off?
  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    onelongsong wrote:
    wrong. there has to be imminent danger. you can't shoot someone running away. there's a law in texas that says it's illegal to shoot someone in the back. if horn did; he'll be prosecuted under that law. .

    Who was in imminent danger as these thieves left the house, other then themselves? If home invasions usually result in death or injury (your claim, would love to see supporting documentation) and Horn witnessed any of this, then by all means, fire away. But this was absent here, wasn't it?
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  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    Hartydog wrote:
    I don't necessarily disagree with you. However I think sometimes this country is too concerned with the rights of criminals.

    Wow... it's the life of a person against STUFF.

    Sometimes this country makes me sick.
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • Jennytree
    Jennytree Posts: 5,340
    onelongsong wrote:
    and i'm glad ALL of my neighbours have guns and will protect me when i need it.

    also; do you know horn or are you just spouting off?

    No I don't know him, what an odd statement.


    I prefer to live in a country where there were only 96 gun related fatalities in the space of 4 years... how many does the US have because of people thinking they have a right to kill everyone else who doesn't live by their version of the law??
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    onelongsong wrote:
    wrong. there has to be imminent danger. you can't shoot someone running away. there's a law in texas that says it's illegal to shoot someone in the back. if horn did; he'll be prosecuted under that law. home invasions are something different. if someone is home; they're usually killed or injured. it happened in phoenix yesterday. if you're waken by a noise; and see a stranger going into your childs room; are you going to wait to see if he has a weapon?
    like i said; it all comes down to common sense and what a jury will decide. in most cases; it's the jury that decides if the shooting was justified.


    That's what annoys me about the justifications in this thread... there was no imminent danger! if the neighbor was home and he/she shot the burglers that came into her house, I could care less. At that point, a life could be in danger. Hell, if someone broke into my house they would get a baseball bat to the head, or get shot if I had time to get into my safe. But in this case, Horn saw/heard someone break into his neighbors house, and leave with a bag of stuff. No body was in imminent danger, especially Horn who was safely in his own house next door.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    blackredyellow wrote:
    That's what annoys me about the justifications in this thread... there was no imminent danger! if the neighbor was home and he/she shot the burglers that came into her house, I could care less. At that point, a life could be in danger. Hell, if someone broke into my house they would get a baseball bat to the head, or get shot if I had time to get into my safe. But in this case, Horn saw/heard someone break into his neighbors house, and leave with a bag of stuff. No body was in imminent danger, especially Horn who was safely in his own house next door.

    and i agree with that. but if he followed the law; he was legally right. the story said it would probably go to a grand jury and they will decide if he stands trial. the story was incomplete because it didn't say if the men were armed. if one of the men were reaching for a weapon then he was justified. be it on his neighbours lawn or anywhere else.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Jennytree wrote:
    No I don't know him, what an odd statement.


    I prefer to live in a country where there were only 96 gun related fatalities in the space of 4 years... how many does the US have because of people thinking they have a right to kill everyone else who doesn't live by their version of the law??

    is that per capita? the us has over 330 million people and only 10,000 gun deaths which includes police shootings.

    quite frankly; i prefer to live in a country with full liberties and freedom. a man with a gun is a citizen; a man without a gun is a subject.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    onelongsong wrote:
    and i agree with that. but if he followed the law; he was legally right. the story said it would probably go to a grand jury and they will decide if he stands trial. the story was incomplete because it didn't say if the men were armed. if one of the men were reaching for a weapon then he was justified. be it on his neighbours lawn or anywhere else.

    I am interested in seeing how this works out too... I read somewhere that the police should have their investigation done and findings to the DA's office in 2 weeks.



    More of a legal questions (soulsinging maybe)... but if the burglars were armed could it still be considered self defense if he knowingly put himself in danger? He was in the safety of his home, but chose to leave that and go outside to confront them, is that still legally self defense seeing that he put himself in danger? I'm just curious...
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  • Jennytree
    Jennytree Posts: 5,340
    onelongsong wrote:
    is that per capita? the us has over 330 million people and only 10,000 gun deaths which includes police shootings.


    slightly off topic but...

    Thats 96 altogether over the space of 4 years, 24 per year.

    Average 24 killings out of 4 million is a pretty good ratio, including 23 out of the 96 that were suicides.

    1/166666 chance of getting shot in Ireland

    1/33000 chance of getting shot in the US (according to your stats)

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I am interested in seeing how this works out too... I read somewhere that the police should have their investigation done and findings to the DA's office in 2 weeks.



    More of a legal questions (soulsinging maybe)... but if the burglars were armed could it still be considered self defense if he knowingly put himself in danger? He was in the safety of his home, but chose to leave that and go outside to confront them, is that still legally self defense seeing that he put himself in danger? I'm just curious...

    yes; it is still self defence. ss is a student and still wet behind the ears. horn didn't know they were armed so he didn't put himself in danger. he only investigated something amiss at his neighbours house.

    the fact that it will take 2 weeks to decide whether to charge him or what to charge him with tells me there's a chance he was within the law. it seems that they want to charge him so people aren't running around shooting burglers but they don't know what charges will stick. i'm sure all of texas is behind him so we'll just wait it out.
    first person to hear something should start another thread about it. i'd hate to miss it.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I am interested in seeing how this works out too... I read somewhere that the police should have their investigation done and findings to the DA's office in 2 weeks.

    More of a legal questions (soulsinging maybe)... but if the burglars were armed could it still be considered self defense if he knowingly put himself in danger? He was in the safety of his home, but chose to leave that and go outside to confront them, is that still legally self defense seeing that he put himself in danger? I'm just curious...

    depends on the jurisdiction and local laws. sometimes yes, sometimes no.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    yes; it is still self defence. ss is a student and still wet behind the ears.

    and you're not a lwyer. you're an armchair gun nut who reads a few NRA pamphlets on the second amendment and thinks he knows the constitution. you still never showed where that right to life and property is in the constitution. how about posting the case citations? or do you now know what a case citation is?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    wrong. there has to be imminent danger. you can't shoot someone running away. there's a law in texas that says it's illegal to shoot someone in the back. if horn did; he'll be prosecuted under that law. home invasions are something different. if someone is home; they're usually killed or injured. it happened in phoenix yesterday. if you're waken by a noise; and see a stranger going into your childs room; are you going to wait to see if he has a weapon?
    like i said; it all comes down to common sense and what a jury will decide. in most cases; it's the jury that decides if the shooting was justified.

    and from what we've seen, there was no imminent danger. this guy's going to have to have the best lawyer in the country to get off after the 911 dispatcher TOLD him not to go outside becos the police were on their way. my money's on this dude going to jail. but then, it's texas. they might just try to execute the criminals again and make this guy the governor. maybe you should represent him. ya know, seeing as how you're unbeatable and all.

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