atheism against the law?

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  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I dunno, maybe like Vortexes and shit. People are sometimes atheists because of an ill feeling towards religion, but are mystics in some other form. Believing in aliens or something. Still atheistic views, but hardly skeptic.

    I'm not so sure that most atheists are looking for 'other forces' in nature. I know that I'm not. It was my skeptical nature that led me to reject the religious ideas that I'd been fed as a kid. I think most atheists arrive at the same conclusion in much the same way. It was just that the article said that atheists are evolutionists by default, which seemed like a pretty stupid statement to me.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    so do you agree or disagree on my proposition? if not comparing me to a nuthead why did you use the example of the murderer? the thing is with you, you're being a bit of a smart-ass, this is very annoying. you're not offending me, just being annoying.

    I'm just going to stop posting in this thread. It seems to me that you're not trying to understand the other side at all. You ask a question and when people give you an answer you don't like you just rely on the good old 'you can't prove me wrong'.

    What's the point in creating a thread like that? I'll create a thread with a story from evilbible.com and whenever a Christian tries to defend their faith I'll just say 'you can't prove me wrong' and 'you're being annoying'.

    And I didn't compare you. I compared beliefs and if it makes you feel any better I could have used people who believe in purple fuzzy bunnies, unicorns or dragons. It's not about you, it's about beliefs that are accepted and beliefs that aren't. You think your belief is above all others, fine. But when you're mind is already closed I don't see the point in creating a thread like this one.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    I completely agree with you. But just as well you can't prove the nonexistence of God cause that wouldn't be logical either.

    It certainly wouldn't be logical. I thought we assumed things didn't exist unless we can prove they do? So god is the only exception to this 'rule'? Or do you believe in aliens, flying red zebras, spaghetti monsters ... as well?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Scubascott wrote:
    I'm not so sure that most atheists are looking for 'other forces' in nature. I know that I'm not. It was my skeptical nature that led me to reject the religious ideas that I'd been fed as a kid. I think most atheists arrive at the same conclusion in much the same way. It was just that the article said that atheists are evolutionists by default, which seemed like a pretty stupid statement to me.


    nature is her own force.

    as for being an evolutionist by default. i have seen evidence of what i would class as evolution. i just want to see more.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Hippyvik wrote:
    i just don't understand how people the world over, can get so aggresive over something that has no physical proof of existing :confused:
    and believing in God makes one feel that.....and your communicating with him/her.....sing it with me... I'm so special, I'm so special, look at me, look at me.
    All about self preservation...and have to tell you..it works...very well.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i'm not trying to prove i'm right. i'm not trying to prove anything... what i am saying is that i have faith. please, give me this one. at least, just this once, allow me the privilege as a human being to feel free about believing in whatever i may without facing the hostile attitudes that i get from most people, like being compared to a nuthead or a murderer. will you allow me that privilege? the truth is, i can't prove anything and neither can you. can we agree on this one?
    what ever you want......if it works for you...more power to you.....but once you tell me when I can buy a beer...or force my children to listen to you prayers...or keep my wife from aborting a couple cells in her body. Thats the problem.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    callen wrote:
    what ever you want......if it works for you...more power to you.....but once you tell me when I can buy a beer...or force my children to listen to you prayers...or keep my wife from aborting a couple cells in her body. Thats the problem.
    So you want no laws then. Because it would be just as unfair for you to dictate how I live my life.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    surferdude wrote:
    So you want no laws then. Because it would be just as unfair for you to dictate how I live my life.
    I don't want laws??? How in the world did you get that from my post. I don't want someone elses fked up morals establishing laws that affect me. For example....can buy beer Mon-Sat...but not Sunday morning....makes absolutely no sense...clearer now for you?
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    callen wrote:
    I don't want laws??? How in the world did you get that from my post. I don't want someone elses fked up morals establishing laws that affect me. For example....can buy beer Mon-Sat...but not Sunday morning....makes absolutely no sense...clearer now for you?
    So you only want your fucked up morals making the laws. How genuine of you.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    callen wrote:
    I don't want laws??? How in the world did you get that from my post. I don't want someone elses fked up morals establishing laws that affect me. For example....can buy beer Mon-Sat...but not Sunday morning....makes absolutely no sense...clearer now for you?
    So you're saying you don't want laws to stop you from doing what you want to do. But it's okay to have laws that stop other people from doing what they want to do? Interesting.
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  • surferdude
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    angelica wrote:
    So you're saying you don't want laws to stop you from doing what you want to do. But it's okay to have laws that stop other people from doing what they want to do? Interesting.
    I think some people are not happy living in a democracy where minority rights are protected by a Bill of Rights.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    surferdude wrote:
    I think some people are not happy living in a democracy where minority rights are protected by a Bill of Rights.
    I definitely am a more left-leaning person. And my whole mindset has been challenged and henceforth changed witnessing the numerous arguments on this board.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    angelica wrote:
    I definitely am a more left-leaning person. And my whole mindset has been challenged and henceforth changed witnessing the numerous arguments on this board.
    I wasn't referring to you Angelica but Callen. Angelica, we all know you're a bit of Canadian goddess folklore.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    angelica wrote:
    So you're saying you don't want laws to stop you from doing what you want to do. But it's okay to have laws that stop other people from doing what they want to do? Interesting.
    giveme an example of a law I want imposed on others???
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    surferdude wrote:
    I wasn't referring to you Angelica but Callen.
    Yeah, I know what you were saying. I was meaning that watching how some of these arguments not hold up has taught me a lot about my own views.
    Angelica, we all know you're a bit of Canadian goddess folklore.
    :eek:

    surferdude, you flatter me, to say the least! :)
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    surferdude wrote:
    So you only want your fucked up morals making the laws. How genuine of you.
    me a law I want enacted thats representative of my morals.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    callen wrote:
    giveme an example of a law I want imposed on others???
    I don't know what laws you want imposed, I only know you made the point that you believe in laws. You expressed that you don't like laws against things that you don't find immoral.

    Let's say that you believe in having killing/murder remain illegal. You are preventing someone from doing something they may not believe is immoral, correct?
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    surferdude wrote:
    I think some people are not happy living in a democracy where minority rights are protected by a Bill of Rights.
    not following......its the minorities that aren't currently being protected...when a muslim child has to be a part of Christians payers before publicly funded school...when I'm asked in a court of law to swear on the Bible......
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    I'm a bit confused? You can't get a beer on a Sunday morning? Is this some kind of law, if it is and it is based on the Christian belief I'd have to argee with callen, but if the shop owners happen to be Christians and go to mass Sunday morning and thus cannot open their stores... buy your beer Saterdays.
    edit: even if they can open their stores on Sunday mornings, it's their choice right whether they open them or not?
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    angelica wrote:
    I don't know what laws you want imposed, I only know you made the point that you believe in laws. You expressed that you don't like laws against things that you don't find immoral.

    Let's say that you believe in having killing/murder remain illegal. You are preventing someone from doing something they may not believe is immoral, correct?
    Said I don't want laws created based on religious teachings that are based on morals.....I gave two prime examples that are based on crap. Give me an example of a law that I want passed, confirmed, created based on my morals.
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