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deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
read this... let me hear your input.

http://www.anointed-one.net/atheism.html
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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    Matter can neither be created nor destroyed... but the religious fuzzy wuzzies always leave out the rest of it. "Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change form." Meaning simply that all the matter in the universe existed, in one form or another, at the time of the big bang.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    My input? It's complete bullshit.
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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    The worst mistake of reasoning which can be made is to think that just because you don't know the answer or explanation to something, that a reason or explanation does not exist.
    Athiests and scientists freely admit that there are many things yet to be explained, and that our models of the origin of the Universe are far from complete, but at least we are trying to fill the holes in our knowledge, and not smugly accepting a bed-time story.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    lucylespian wrote:
    The worst mistake of reasoning which can be made is to think that just because you don't know the answer or explanation to something, that a reason or explanation does not exist.
    Athiests and scientists freely admit that there are many things yet to be explained, and that our models of the origin of the Universe are far from complete, but at least we are trying to fill the holes in our knowledge, and not smugly accepting a bed-time story.
    why do you have to call it a smugly bed-time story?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    why do you have to call it a smugly bed-time story?

    Why can we laugh about a belief in Greek Gods, but we can't laugh about a belief in one God?
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    why do you have to call it a smugly bed-time story?

    Because thats all it is.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    read this... let me hear your input.

    http://www.anointed-one.net/atheism.html


    That's like saying is a thought inside your head is illegal...
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  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    You cannot logically argue for the existence of God. There is no logical argument that can lead you there.

    The argument on that page was sounding good until the end when they pulled God out of the hat, and said "God just is" after spending several paragraphs trying to explain why the universe can't "just be".
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    The link wrote:
    Atheism is a lack of belief mentality which rejects the existence of anything supernatural. By default, atheists are also naturalists and evolutionists.

    I fell off right there, as my thought to this was, no it doesn't. There is no default there. Perhaps a common link, but no default.

    The rest seemed to be the usual creationist talking points like law of conservation and whatnot. *Yawns*

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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Why can we laugh about a belief in Greek Gods, but we can't laugh about a belief in one God?
    who's laughing about a belief in greek Gods?
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    spiral out wrote:
    Because thats all it is.
    yeah, but that's your opinion.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    That's like saying is a thought inside your head is illegal...
    are you telling me that I am saying a thought inside your head is illegal????

    i'm not too sure what you mean by this. but, no i don't think these guys are saying it's illegal to think this way. i think what they were trying to say that atheists have to brake the laws of the scientific method.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Scubascott wrote:
    You cannot logically argue for the existence of God. There is no logical argument that can lead you there.
    I completely agree with you. But just as well you can't prove the nonexistence of God cause that wouldn't be logical either.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    who's laughing about a belief in greek Gods?

    we look at the greeks myth and discard them as fiction and yet we take the story of the christian God as gospel, so to speak. and yet both are as improbable as each other. yet one is accorded more reverance and truthfullness. no one truly believes that achilles' mother was not mortal beyond the context of the tales of achilles and yet we are suppose to believe jesus' father was a God outside the context of the bible.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    I fell off right there, as my thought to this was, no it doesn't. There is no default there. Perhaps a common link, but no default.

    The rest seemed to be the usual creationist talking points like law of conservation and whatnot. *Yawns*

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    I don't know if atheists are by default naturalist and evolutionists or not. I mean I thought they were. What makes you say they are not? I thought they had to be, otherwise that would mean that they were open to accepting the fact of a God. I mean, you couldn't even argue with an atheist about the possibility of a God. They are completely convinced and believe to be able to prove that there is no God. So in order for them to believe this way they have to completely believe in naturalism and evolution. there is no way out of it. i could be wrong. in fact, i'd like to be wrong.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    I don't know if atheists are by default naturalist and evolutionists or not. I mean I thought they were. What makes you say they are not? I thought they had to be, otherwise that would mean that they were open to accepting the fact of a God. I mean, you couldn't even argue with an atheist about the possibility of a God. They are completely convinced and believe to be able to prove that there is no God. So in order for them to believe this way they have to completely believe in naturalism and evolution. there is no way out of it. i could be wrong. in fact, i'd like to be wrong.

    as an atheist i can tell you the onus is not on me to prove the non-existence of God. those who say he exists must show me why i should have faith. i can not disprove something i don't believe exists.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    What happens if you don't believe in written law?
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    I don't know if atheists are by default naturalist and evolutionists or not. I mean I thought they were. What makes you say they are not? I thought they had to be, otherwise that would mean that they were open to accepting the fact of a God. I mean, you couldn't even argue with an atheist about the possibility of a God. They are completely convinced and believe to be able to prove that there is no God. So in order for them to believe this way they have to completely believe in naturalism and evolution. there is no way out of it. i could be wrong. in fact, i'd like to be wrong.

    What catefrances said and atheists can say they don't know the answer to the origin of life question but just don't believe a non-existing thing created it.
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    I don't know if atheists are by default naturalist and evolutionists or not. I mean I thought they were. What makes you say they are not? I thought they had to be, otherwise that would mean that they were open to accepting the fact of a God. I mean, you couldn't even argue with an atheist about the possibility of a God. They are completely convinced and believe to be able to prove that there is no God. So in order for them to believe this way they have to completely believe in naturalism and evolution. there is no way out of it. i could be wrong. in fact, i'd like to be wrong.

    Atheism is not a standardized belief in any dogmas. It is simply the lack of belief in the "God" that most religions try to push. Not a vested interest and belief in anything-anti-god. I dont see a reason why it should necessitate any other view by default.

    Now that many self-labelled atheists may hold those views may well be true. But there is no argument against "atheists" on the grounds of those individuals. The link made the assumptions right from the outset that "atheists" ambodied everything anti-creationist or something.

    I'm just saying that atheism does not default any other belief. That's all.

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  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    I read it and thought it was very interesting but I still don't know what the hell I believe.

    There are compelling arguments on both sides for the existence or non-existence of some supreme being. I wonder about the creation of the universe or the creation of some sort of supreme being but I don't lose too much sleep over it.

    I don't think I'll ever figure it out and even if I dedicated my entire life to it I'd never come up with an answer.

    I think, instead, that I'll just try to live my life the best way I can and hope that I never lose my sense of wonder about how incomprehensible this whole thing truly is. I believe in being amazed that anything exists at all.
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  • HippyvikHippyvik Posts: 281
    i just don't understand how people the world over, can get so aggresive over something that has no physical proof of existing :confused:
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    Hippyvik wrote:
    i just don't understand how people the world over, can get so aggresive over something that has no physical proof of existing :confused:
    I think it happens for two reasons: Many people need to believe in something and many people need to believe that they're beliefs are correct. It makes them feel good to know that they are betting on the right horse. I honestly think, and I'm glad scientists don't agree with me, that some things are beyond knowledge, at least the knowledge available right now. Also, I don't make a distinction between atheists or theists because I can't wrap my head around a right answer. Maybe I'm just intellectually lazy.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Why can we laugh about a belief in Greek Gods, but we can't laugh about a belief in one God?

    i believe he meant:

    why must you insult the beliefs of those that do not agree with yours?
    maybe to him your beliefs are the result of self pity yet he does not insult you. he shows respect for your opinion.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    i believe he meant:

    why must you insult the beliefs of those that do not agree with yours?
    maybe to him your beliefs are the result of self pity yet he does not insult you. he shows respect for your opinion.

    Uhh, his beliefs are in-fact wrong, they are factually wrong.

    Why should I step back and say "Oh, so sorry for infringing on your beliefs!" "Go ahead, continue to influence my politics and my day-to-day life. Don't allow me to criticise and expose your beliefs which are the basis for your influence that affects my life."

    You see, I'm through with being nice about bullshit when it directly affects me and the world I live in.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Uhh, his beliefs are in-fact wrong, they are factually wrong.

    Why should I step back and say "Oh, so sorry for infringing on your beliefs!" "Go ahead, continue to influence my politics and my day-to-day life. Don't allow me to criticise and expose your beliefs which are the basis for your influence that affects my life."

    You see, I'm through with being nice about bullshit when it directly affects me and the world I live in.
    now, wait a minute ahnimus... have some decency here. when did i infringe on your beliefs and influence your politics and day to day life???

    you're preaching to the wrong choir here guy... where is your ethics? i've told you before that you cannot prove that I am wrong. now that is a fact. you have no physical evidence to prove that i am wrong in believing what I believe. this is common sense. and if the fact that i am commenting on these forums makes you feel insecure with you and the world you live in i suggest you treat yourself for that. (i'm aware that you read a whole lotta books about psychology... don't they talk about these insecurities??) there's no need to get personal here. i'm only trying to understand the other side.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i've told you before that you cannot prove that I am wrong. now that is a fact. you have no physical evidence to prove that i am wrong in believing what I believe. this is common sense.

    When a murderer claims all his victims were evil and possessed by demons and he's doing the work of god, people call him a crazy sick twisted motherfucker. Though, you cannot prove he was wrong.

    People who claim they were abducted by aliens and that they've been watching us for year, end up crazy because people mock them, ridicule them. Though, they cannot prove he they were wrong.
    i'm only trying to understand the other side.

    :confused: You're trying to understand the other side? By reading about it on The Anointed One?

    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/intro.html
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Collin wrote:
    When a murderer claims all his victims were evil and possessed by demons and he's doing the work of god, people call him a crazy sick twisted motherfucker. Though, you cannot prove he was wrong.

    People who claim they were abducted by aliens and that they've been watching us for year, end up crazy because people mock them, ridicule them. Though, they cannot prove he they were wrong.



    :confused: You're trying to understand the other side? By reading about it on The Anointed One?

    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/intro.html
    anyways... so i guess just put me in a nuthouse. is that what you want to do?? hey, let me turn the tables a little bit for a change. maybe we should put mulsims, jews, buddhists and all sorts of religious people into the mental institute. that will do it. right? and i wanted to hear your opinion about the link... did you not get that? are you still confused, need for me to explain more? or what's up? be honest with me. do you not like me enough to the point where you don't want me to post these topics anymore?
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  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    I honestly think, and I'm glad scientists don't agree with me, that some things are beyond knowledge, at least the knowledge available right now.

    Scientists do agree with you. That is the point of science, to continue to expand our knowledge as far a possible. If we thought we already knew everything there would be no need for science.


    As for atheists being naturalists and evolutionists by default. . . these guys need to check their definition of atheism. It may be true that generally speaking, atheists turn to science rather than religion for answers, and science shows us that life on earth evolved by processes of natural selection, but there is no atheist dogma dictating a belief in any scientific principles or theory.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Scubascott wrote:
    Scientists do agree with you. That is the point of science, to continue to expand our knowledge as far a possible. If we thought we already knew everything there would be no need for science.


    As for atheists being naturalists and evolutionists by default. . . these guys need to check their definition of atheism. It may be true that generally speaking, atheists turn to science rather than religion for answers, and science shows us that life on earth evolved by processes of natural selection, but there is no atheist dogma dictating a belief in any scientific principles or theory.

    I think, if anything, atheists are naturally skeptics. Though they may be atheistic, but still believe in another force. I'd rather consider myself a skeptic atheist though.
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  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I think, if anything, atheists are naturally skeptics. Though they may be atheistic, but still believe in another force. I'd rather consider myself a skeptic atheist though.

    Another force? Please explain.
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