I'm a bit confused? You can't get a beer on a Sunday morning? Is this some kind of law, if it is and it is based on the Christian belief I'd have to argee with callen, but if the shop owners happen to be Christians and go to mass Sunday morning and thus cannot open their stores... buy your beer Saterdays.
edit: even if they can open their stores on Sunday mornings, it's their choice right whether they open them or not?
Have to wait till Suday noon prior to purchasing any alcoholic beverage in any establishment in state of texas. And noooo hard liquor sales on Sunday...and limited hours of operation during the week.
Have to wait till Suday noon prior to purchasing any alcoholic beverage in any establishment in state of texas. And noooo hard liquor sales on Sunday...and limited hours of operation during the week.
Said I don't want laws created based on religious teachings that are based on morals.
So basically you are not happy living in a democracy. A democracy that has built in checks and balances. That has processes in place to ensure both the Constitution and Bill of Rights are upheld.
Where the idea for a law comes from should not matter. The only things that should matter it that it went through the proper process to become law and that both the Constitution and Bill of Rights are respected.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Said I don't want laws created based on religious teachings that are based on morals.....I gave two prime examples that are based on crap. Give me an example of a law that I want passed, confirmed, created based on my morals.
It seems to me that all laws are based on "right" and "wrong", so are you only against religious morals, and you accept "other" morals for the basis of laws?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Absolutely. Restrictions on alcohol sales all over the country were put into place long ago because it is "immoral" to drink on Sunday when you ought to be in church. Some states have overturned them, others haven't. In Ohio we've had Sunday beer & wine for a few years no, just got hard liquor last year .... but not before 1 p.m. ... can't start drinkin' until you get home from church!
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
So basically you are not happy living in a democracy. A democracy that has built in checks and balances. That has processes in place to ensure both the Constitution and Bill of Rights are upheld.
Where the idea for a law comes from should not matter. The only things that should matter it that it went through the proper process to become law and that both the Constitution and Bill of Rights are respected.
you assume alot......
there are some pretty outdated prudish laws on the books....and as soon as we as a society break through our insecurities these silly laws will remain.
Question authority...question laws.
remember..majority doesn't make it right....look how many people supported W when he went into Iraq. Laws change as they should..and sometimes as they shouldn't. Not being able to buy beer Sunday morning is moronic...to put it bluntly...no different than any other day of the week. If you can give me reason Sunday is different...please let me know.
It seems to me that all laws are based on "right" and "wrong", so are you only against religious morals, and you accept "other" morals for the basis of laws?
laws should be based on rights and wrongs....or better yet how is it your actions are affecting others. There is a balance...but when religious morals are used as justifications or are given weight..well thats the problem...
there are some pretty outdated prudish laws on the books....and as soon as we as a society break through our insecurities these silly laws will remain.
Question authority...question laws.
remember..majority doesn't make it right....look how many people supported W when he went into Iraq. Laws change as they should..and sometimes as they shouldn't. Not being able to buy beer Sunday morning is moronic...to put it bluntly...no different than any other day of the week. If you can give me reason Sunday is different...please let me know.
I can't but I respect the democratic process that created the law, just as I'll respect the democratic process that may some day change the law. Seems to me you don't have much respect for the democratic process. I thin kif you did you'd be out there trying to change the laws to reflect your morals.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
laws should be based on rights and wrongs....or better yet how is it your actions are affecting others. There is a balance...but when religious morals are used as justifications or are given weight..well thats the problem...
It looks like you have biases between varying views of "right" and "wrong". It's normal that we all do, and that we see our own point of view. And yet, when we have a blind spot to the validity of the point of view of what we are biased against, I see the cycles merely being perpetuated. Ignorance and disrespect on both sides keeps the cycles in place. Unfortunately, the "sides" think they are correct.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
laws should be based on rights and wrongs....or better yet how is it your actions are affecting others. There is a balance...but when religious morals are used as justifications or are given weight..well thats the problem...
I agree. If you can't come up with a good argument for or against something without bringing religion into the picture, then it shouldn't be a law. I can come up with lots of reasons why rape and murder and theft and assault shouldn't be permitted without needing a biblical passage to back me up. I've yet to hear a sound argument for Sunday liquor sales or against gay marriage that didn't involve god's plan or god's word. That's a sure sign of a government that is supposed to be independent of religion overstepping it's bounds.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I can't but I respect the democratic process that created the law, just as I'll respect the democratic process that may some day change the law. Seems to me you don't have much respect for the democratic process. I thin kif you did you'd be out there trying to change the laws to reflect your morals.
I do very much respect the democratic process...its just great we have a house of representatives....can't think of a better way for our government ot represent its people......do I think its perfect..no but as with our current legal system...until we find a better way..its what we have. BUT that doesn't mean you shouldn't question....especially individual laws...and further those that are based solely on religion and not right and wrong......such as the beer example. Course all this goes back to seperation of Church and State...the sooner the better. But thats another can of worms and 100 more threads.
Absolutely. Restrictions on alcohol sales all over the country were put into place long ago because it is "immoral" to drink on Sunday when you ought to be in church. Some states have overturned them, others haven't. In Ohio we've had Sunday beer & wine for a few years no, just got hard liquor last year .... but not before 1 p.m. ... can't start drinkin' until you get home from church!
I think our national anthem has the line "you may get drunk 24/7" or something:D
It looks like you have biases between varying views of "right" and "wrong". It's normal that we all do, and that we see our own point of view. And yet, when we have a blind spot to the validity of the point of view of what we are biased against, I see the cycles merely being perpetuated. Ignorance and disrespect on both sides keeps the cycles in place. Unfortunately, the "sides" think they are correct.
Give me one reason why Beer should not be sold before noon on Sunday. Is it wrong to buy beer before noon? Is it right to refrain from selling beer before noon?????
I'm thinking many need to take their blinders off (not directed at you specifically).
Give me one reason why Beer should not be sold before noon on Sunday. Is it wrong to buy beer before noon? Is it right to refrain from selling beer before noon?????
I'm thinking many need to take their blinders off (not directed at you specifically).
I have no interest in arguing whose morals/views are "right". I have no intention of being a part of this problem. I'm a part of enough of my own.;)
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Give me one reason why Beer should not be sold before noon on Sunday. Is it wrong to buy beer before noon? Is it right to refrain from selling beer before noon?????
I'm thinking many need to take their blinders off (not directed at you specifically).
Please explain how either your Constitutional rights or protection accorded by the Bill of Rights was violated by this law.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Please explain how either your Constitutional rights or protection accorded by the Bill of Rights was violated by this law.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..."
In enacting a law that has as it's sole basis the fact that Christians observe their sabbath on Sunday, the government is giving preference to Christianity above other faiths or no faith at all. The absence of the law would not be prohibiting the free exercise of the Christian religion, as Christians are obviously free to not purchase alcohol on Sundays.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..."
In enacting a law that has as it's sole basis the fact that Christians observe their sabbath on Sunday, the government is giving preference to Christianity above other faiths or no faith at all. The absence of the law would not be prohibiting the free exercise of the Christian religion, as Christians are obviously free to not purchase alcohol on Sundays.
How is Christianity established by this law? Or explain how any religion is prohibited from free exercise by this law?
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
A Christian belief that can't be justified by any reasons outside Christianity has been codified into a law that Christians and non-Christians alike must abide by. My right as a non-Christian to not be subject to Christian rules is infringed.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
A Christian belief that can't be justified by any reasons outside Christianity has been codified into a law that Christians and non-Christians alike must abide by. My right as a non-Christian to not be subject to Christian rules is infringed.
You are reading much into the law that is not there. The law prohibits alcohol sales during certain times. How does this either establish Christianity, or prohibite the free exercise of any other religion? Please stick to the actual law.
I'm not sure you can justify the restriction of aclohal sales as a Christian belief. Seems like a far stretch.
p.s. I hope I'm not a slinky. I've always been more of a weeble, in that I wobble but don't fall down.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
You are reading much into the law that is not there. The law prohibits alcohol sales during certain times. How does this either establish Christianity, or prohibite the free exercise of any other religion? Please stick to the actual law.
I'm not sure you can justify the restriction of aclohal sales as a Christian belief. Seems like a far stretch.
Seems they should extend that law to Wednesdays in some areas.
Seems they should extend that law to Wednesdays in some areas.
Look I don't agree with the law. It seems pretty stupid to me. But I think some people would be happy with a shut down of alcohol sales on Wednesdays but not Sundays. At least then they wouldn't think their constitutional rights were being abused.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
You are reading much into the law that is not there. The law prohibits alcohol sales during certain times. How does this either establish Christianity, or prohibite the free exercise of any other religion? Please stick to the actual law.
I'm not sure you can justify the restriction of aclohal sales as a Christian belief. Seems like a far stretch.
I don't think it's a stretch at all. The people who wrote these laws and put them into effect were quite clear in their intention to "preserve the sabbath." They establish a portion of Christian doctrine as a law that must be obeyed by all, including non-Christians.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I don't think it's a stretch at all. The people who wrote these laws and put them into effect were quite clear in their intention to "preserve the sabbath." They establish a portion of Christian doctrine as a law that must be obeyed by all, including non-Christians.
So if pot is made legal will you be crying constitutional foul because it's a Rastafarian belief?
You still haven't made your point (in my opinion) about how Christianity is established by limiting alcohol sales.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Look I don't agree with the law. It seems pretty stupid to me. But I think some people would be happy with a shut down of alcohol sales on Wednesdays but not Sundays. At least then they wouldn't think their constitutional rights were being abused.
Personally, I don't care whether I can buy alcohol on Sunday or not. I hate going to the store, so I buy enough to last several months when I go. They can prohibit sales from March through May for all I care, it wouldn't affect me a bit.
Now, if someone can give me a good reason that has nothing to do with any religion why there shouldn't be alcohol sales on Sunday, then that's a whole new ballgame ... a reason why such laws benefit the entire community, even the non-Christian portion, and don't pose an undue hardship on non-Christians, including non-Christian liquor store owners. If the only justification is based on religion, it has no place in U.S. law.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Look I don't agree with the law. It seems pretty stupid to me. But I think some people would be happy with a shut down of alcohol sales on Wednesdays but not Sundays. At least then they wouldn't think their constitutional rights were being abused.
I think Hippiemom made a good example of what she was stating, but at the same time those laws were voted on by the people that live there.
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and this has a religious basis?
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Where the idea for a law comes from should not matter. The only things that should matter it that it went through the proper process to become law and that both the Constitution and Bill of Rights are respected.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
there are still counties in Texas that don't allow achohol sales of any kind.
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You live in a funny weird country.
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you assume alot......
there are some pretty outdated prudish laws on the books....and as soon as we as a society break through our insecurities these silly laws will remain.
Question authority...question laws.
remember..majority doesn't make it right....look how many people supported W when he went into Iraq. Laws change as they should..and sometimes as they shouldn't. Not being able to buy beer Sunday morning is moronic...to put it bluntly...no different than any other day of the week. If you can give me reason Sunday is different...please let me know.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I do very much respect the democratic process...its just great we have a house of representatives....can't think of a better way for our government ot represent its people......do I think its perfect..no but as with our current legal system...until we find a better way..its what we have. BUT that doesn't mean you shouldn't question....especially individual laws...and further those that are based solely on religion and not right and wrong......such as the beer example. Course all this goes back to seperation of Church and State...the sooner the better. But thats another can of worms and 100 more threads.
I think our national anthem has the line "you may get drunk 24/7" or something:D
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I'm thinking many need to take their blinders off (not directed at you specifically).
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
In enacting a law that has as it's sole basis the fact that Christians observe their sabbath on Sunday, the government is giving preference to Christianity above other faiths or no faith at all. The absence of the law would not be prohibiting the free exercise of the Christian religion, as Christians are obviously free to not purchase alcohol on Sundays.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm not sure you can justify the restriction of aclohal sales as a Christian belief. Seems like a far stretch.
p.s. I hope I'm not a slinky. I've always been more of a weeble, in that I wobble but don't fall down.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Seems they should extend that law to Wednesdays in some areas.
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
You still haven't made your point (in my opinion) about how Christianity is established by limiting alcohol sales.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Now, if someone can give me a good reason that has nothing to do with any religion why there shouldn't be alcohol sales on Sunday, then that's a whole new ballgame ... a reason why such laws benefit the entire community, even the non-Christian portion, and don't pose an undue hardship on non-Christians, including non-Christian liquor store owners. If the only justification is based on religion, it has no place in U.S. law.
I think Hippiemom made a good example of what she was stating, but at the same time those laws were voted on by the people that live there.
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