anyways... so i guess just put me in a nuthouse. is that what you want to do?? hey, let me turn the tables a little bit for a change. maybe we should put mulsims, jews, buddhists and all sorts of religious people into the mental institute. that will do it. right?
No, I don't want to put you in a nuthouse, unless there's something wrong with your brain, which may cause you to harm others or yourself.
I'm not here to prove you or any other religious person wrong (with a few minor exceptions).
I think the whole 'you can't prove me wrong' defence is rather ridiculous, because you can't prove you're right, and throughout history that argument never stopped anyone to condemn those who had different beliefs and now you expect people to walk on egg shells whenever they talk about your religion or god.
and i wanted to hear your opinion about the link... did you not get that? are you still confused, need for me to explain more? or what's up? be honest with me. do you not like me enough to the point where you don't want me to post these topics anymore?
I did reply, I guess you don't bother to read my replies though.
I said I thought it was bullshit, I said I agreed with what catefrances said and gave other input.
Did you check out the link I gave? (Which, by the way, is part of my input in this thread, you're trying to understand the otherside better, I thought I'd help you out). http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/intro.html
I think the whole 'you can't prove me wrong' defence is rather ridiculous, because you can't prove you're right
i'm not trying to prove i'm right. i'm not trying to prove anything... what i am saying is that i have faith. please, give me this one. at least, just this once, allow me the privilege as a human being to feel free about believing in whatever i may without facing the hostile attitudes that i get from most people, like being compared to a nuthead or a murderer. will you allow me that privilege? the truth is, i can't prove anything and neither can you. can we agree on this one?
I did reply, I guess you don't bother to read my replies though.
I said I thought it was bullshit, I said I agreed with what catefrances said and gave other input.
Did you check out the link I gave? (Which, by the way, is part of my input in this thread, you're trying to understand the otherside better, I thought I'd help you out). http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/intro.html
I dunno, maybe like Vortexes and shit. People are sometimes atheists because of an ill feeling towards religion, but are mystics in some other form. Believing in aliens or something. Still atheistic views, but hardly skeptic.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i'm not trying to prove i'm right. i'm not trying to prove anything... what i am saying is that i have faith. please, give me this one. at least, just this once, allow me the privilege as a human being to feel free about believing in whatever i may without facing the hostile attitudes that i get from most people, like being compared to a nuthead or a murderer. will you allow me that privilege? the truth is, i can't prove anything and neither can you. can we agree on this one?
Most people compare you to a nuthead or a murdered?
I didn't compare you, I compared beliefs, one that's acceptable world wide and has a powerful organization running it and others that are considered the imaginations of madmen.
I never stated I could prove god doesn't exist, I can't. I'm sorry that you are so easily offended, now that I now this I'll do my best not to offend you.
Most people compare you to a nuthead or a murdered?
I didn't compare you, I compared beliefs, one that's acceptable world wide and has a powerful organization running it and others that are considered the imaginations of madmen.
I never stated I could prove god doesn't exist, I can't. I'm sorry that you are so easily offended, now that I now this I'll do my best not to offend you.
so do you agree or disagree on my proposition? if not comparing me to a nuthead why did you use the example of the murderer? the thing is with you, you're being a bit of a smart-ass, this is very annoying. you're not offending me, just being annoying.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
anyway, about this 'is athiesm against the law?' essay...
by its definition of athiest, i would not be one. although i am without theism (i lack a belief in a god or gods), i do not reject the existance of anything supernatural. but how do we define "supernatural"? is it anything that is outside of nature? or is it, as i would prefer to describe it, awesomely natural!!!? but i actually prefer the term metaphysical - something that appears to be real but is yet to be scientifically explained. i would say emotions are real, but you can't quantify them physically.
physical science is but one thing. i positively feel that there is a metaphysicaly reality... and i also feel that the idea of a creator god is hollow .
I dunno, maybe like Vortexes and shit. People are sometimes atheists because of an ill feeling towards religion, but are mystics in some other form. Believing in aliens or something. Still atheistic views, but hardly skeptic.
I'm not so sure that most atheists are looking for 'other forces' in nature. I know that I'm not. It was my skeptical nature that led me to reject the religious ideas that I'd been fed as a kid. I think most atheists arrive at the same conclusion in much the same way. It was just that the article said that atheists are evolutionists by default, which seemed like a pretty stupid statement to me.
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so do you agree or disagree on my proposition? if not comparing me to a nuthead why did you use the example of the murderer? the thing is with you, you're being a bit of a smart-ass, this is very annoying. you're not offending me, just being annoying.
I'm just going to stop posting in this thread. It seems to me that you're not trying to understand the other side at all. You ask a question and when people give you an answer you don't like you just rely on the good old 'you can't prove me wrong'.
What's the point in creating a thread like that? I'll create a thread with a story from evilbible.com and whenever a Christian tries to defend their faith I'll just say 'you can't prove me wrong' and 'you're being annoying'.
And I didn't compare you. I compared beliefs and if it makes you feel any better I could have used people who believe in purple fuzzy bunnies, unicorns or dragons. It's not about you, it's about beliefs that are accepted and beliefs that aren't. You think your belief is above all others, fine. But when you're mind is already closed I don't see the point in creating a thread like this one.
I completely agree with you. But just as well you can't prove the nonexistence of God cause that wouldn't be logical either.
It certainly wouldn't be logical. I thought we assumed things didn't exist unless we can prove they do? So god is the only exception to this 'rule'? Or do you believe in aliens, flying red zebras, spaghetti monsters ... as well?
I'm not so sure that most atheists are looking for 'other forces' in nature. I know that I'm not. It was my skeptical nature that led me to reject the religious ideas that I'd been fed as a kid. I think most atheists arrive at the same conclusion in much the same way. It was just that the article said that atheists are evolutionists by default, which seemed like a pretty stupid statement to me.
nature is her own force.
as for being an evolutionist by default. i have seen evidence of what i would class as evolution. i just want to see more.
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i just don't understand how people the world over, can get so aggresive over something that has no physical proof of existing
and believing in God makes one feel that.....and your communicating with him/her.....sing it with me... I'm so special, I'm so special, look at me, look at me.
All about self preservation...and have to tell you..it works...very well.
i'm not trying to prove i'm right. i'm not trying to prove anything... what i am saying is that i have faith. please, give me this one. at least, just this once, allow me the privilege as a human being to feel free about believing in whatever i may without facing the hostile attitudes that i get from most people, like being compared to a nuthead or a murderer. will you allow me that privilege? the truth is, i can't prove anything and neither can you. can we agree on this one?
what ever you want......if it works for you...more power to you.....but once you tell me when I can buy a beer...or force my children to listen to you prayers...or keep my wife from aborting a couple cells in her body. Thats the problem.
what ever you want......if it works for you...more power to you.....but once you tell me when I can buy a beer...or force my children to listen to you prayers...or keep my wife from aborting a couple cells in her body. Thats the problem.
So you want no laws then. Because it would be just as unfair for you to dictate how I live my life.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
So you want no laws then. Because it would be just as unfair for you to dictate how I live my life.
I don't want laws??? How in the world did you get that from my post. I don't want someone elses fked up morals establishing laws that affect me. For example....can buy beer Mon-Sat...but not Sunday morning....makes absolutely no sense...clearer now for you?
I don't want laws??? How in the world did you get that from my post. I don't want someone elses fked up morals establishing laws that affect me. For example....can buy beer Mon-Sat...but not Sunday morning....makes absolutely no sense...clearer now for you?
So you only want your fucked up morals making the laws. How genuine of you.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I don't want laws??? How in the world did you get that from my post. I don't want someone elses fked up morals establishing laws that affect me. For example....can buy beer Mon-Sat...but not Sunday morning....makes absolutely no sense...clearer now for you?
So you're saying you don't want laws to stop you from doing what you want to do. But it's okay to have laws that stop other people from doing what they want to do? Interesting.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
So you're saying you don't want laws to stop you from doing what you want to do. But it's okay to have laws that stop other people from doing what they want to do? Interesting.
I think some people are not happy living in a democracy where minority rights are protected by a Bill of Rights.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I think some people are not happy living in a democracy where minority rights are protected by a Bill of Rights.
I definitely am a more left-leaning person. And my whole mindset has been challenged and henceforth changed witnessing the numerous arguments on this board.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I definitely am a more left-leaning person. And my whole mindset has been challenged and henceforth changed witnessing the numerous arguments on this board.
I wasn't referring to you Angelica but Callen. Angelica, we all know you're a bit of Canadian goddess folklore.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
So you're saying you don't want laws to stop you from doing what you want to do. But it's okay to have laws that stop other people from doing what they want to do? Interesting.
giveme an example of a law I want imposed on others???
giveme an example of a law I want imposed on others???
I don't know what laws you want imposed, I only know you made the point that you believe in laws. You expressed that you don't like laws against things that you don't find immoral.
Let's say that you believe in having killing/murder remain illegal. You are preventing someone from doing something they may not believe is immoral, correct?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I think some people are not happy living in a democracy where minority rights are protected by a Bill of Rights.
not following......its the minorities that aren't currently being protected...when a muslim child has to be a part of Christians payers before publicly funded school...when I'm asked in a court of law to swear on the Bible......
I'm a bit confused? You can't get a beer on a Sunday morning? Is this some kind of law, if it is and it is based on the Christian belief I'd have to argee with callen, but if the shop owners happen to be Christians and go to mass Sunday morning and thus cannot open their stores... buy your beer Saterdays.
edit: even if they can open their stores on Sunday mornings, it's their choice right whether they open them or not?
I don't know what laws you want imposed, I only know you made the point that you believe in laws. You expressed that you don't like laws against things that you don't find immoral.
Let's say that you believe in having killing/murder remain illegal. You are preventing someone from doing something they may not believe is immoral, correct?
Said I don't want laws created based on religious teachings that are based on morals.....I gave two prime examples that are based on crap. Give me an example of a law that I want passed, confirmed, created based on my morals.
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No, I don't want to put you in a nuthouse, unless there's something wrong with your brain, which may cause you to harm others or yourself.
I'm not here to prove you or any other religious person wrong (with a few minor exceptions).
I think the whole 'you can't prove me wrong' defence is rather ridiculous, because you can't prove you're right, and throughout history that argument never stopped anyone to condemn those who had different beliefs and now you expect people to walk on egg shells whenever they talk about your religion or god.
I did reply, I guess you don't bother to read my replies though.
I said I thought it was bullshit, I said I agreed with what catefrances said and gave other input.
Did you check out the link I gave? (Which, by the way, is part of my input in this thread, you're trying to understand the otherside better, I thought I'd help you out).
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/intro.html
Here's another link you might find interesting:
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html
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yes, i've been reading them. i've been reading every reply.
I dunno, maybe like Vortexes and shit. People are sometimes atheists because of an ill feeling towards religion, but are mystics in some other form. Believing in aliens or something. Still atheistic views, but hardly skeptic.
Its herd behaviourrr!
much like patriotism...
Most people compare you to a nuthead or a murdered?
I didn't compare you, I compared beliefs, one that's acceptable world wide and has a powerful organization running it and others that are considered the imaginations of madmen.
I never stated I could prove god doesn't exist, I can't. I'm sorry that you are so easily offended, now that I now this I'll do my best not to offend you.
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http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1703504
Hmm... let me think.
yeah really, cause the Bible would be a piss-poor bedtime story. most definately not smugly. doesn't hold a candle to Winkin, Blinkin and Nod.
by its definition of athiest, i would not be one. although i am without theism (i lack a belief in a god or gods), i do not reject the existance of anything supernatural. but how do we define "supernatural"? is it anything that is outside of nature? or is it, as i would prefer to describe it, awesomely natural!!!?
physical science is but one thing. i positively feel that there is a metaphysicaly reality... and i also feel that the idea of a creator god is hollow .
I'm not so sure that most atheists are looking for 'other forces' in nature. I know that I'm not. It was my skeptical nature that led me to reject the religious ideas that I'd been fed as a kid. I think most atheists arrive at the same conclusion in much the same way. It was just that the article said that atheists are evolutionists by default, which seemed like a pretty stupid statement to me.
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I'm just going to stop posting in this thread. It seems to me that you're not trying to understand the other side at all. You ask a question and when people give you an answer you don't like you just rely on the good old 'you can't prove me wrong'.
What's the point in creating a thread like that? I'll create a thread with a story from evilbible.com and whenever a Christian tries to defend their faith I'll just say 'you can't prove me wrong' and 'you're being annoying'.
And I didn't compare you. I compared beliefs and if it makes you feel any better I could have used people who believe in purple fuzzy bunnies, unicorns or dragons. It's not about you, it's about beliefs that are accepted and beliefs that aren't. You think your belief is above all others, fine. But when you're mind is already closed I don't see the point in creating a thread like this one.
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It certainly wouldn't be logical. I thought we assumed things didn't exist unless we can prove they do? So god is the only exception to this 'rule'? Or do you believe in aliens, flying red zebras, spaghetti monsters ... as well?
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nature is her own force.
as for being an evolutionist by default. i have seen evidence of what i would class as evolution. i just want to see more.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
All about self preservation...and have to tell you..it works...very well.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
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surferdude, you flatter me, to say the least!
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Let's say that you believe in having killing/murder remain illegal. You are preventing someone from doing something they may not believe is immoral, correct?
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
edit: even if they can open their stores on Sunday mornings, it's their choice right whether they open them or not?
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