atheism against the law?

callen

Collin wrote:

I'm a bit confused? You can't get a beer on a Sunday morning? Is this some kind of law, if it is and it is based on the Christian belief I'd have to argee with callen, but if the shop owners happen to be Christians and go to mass Sunday morning and thus cannot open their stores... buy your beer Saterdays.
edit: even if they can open their stores on Sunday mornings, it's their choice right whether they open them or not?

Have to wait till Suday noon prior to purchasing any alcoholic beverage in any establishment in state of texas. And noooo hard liquor sales on Sunday...and limited hours of operation during the week.

Collin

callen wrote:

Have to wait till Suday noon prior to purchasing any alcoholic beverage in any establishment in state of texas. And noooo hard liquor sales on Sunday...and limited hours of operation during the week.

and this has a religious basis?

surferdude

callen wrote:

Said I don't want laws created based on religious teachings that are based on morals.

So basically you are not happy living in a democracy. A democracy that has built in checks and balances. That has processes in place to ensure both the Constitution and Bill of Rights are upheld.

Where the idea for a law comes from should not matter. The only things that should matter it that it went through the proper process to become law and that both the Constitution and Bill of Rights are respected.

callen

Collin wrote:

and this has a religious basis?

there are still counties in Texas that don't allow achohol sales of any kind.

angelica

callen wrote:

Said I don't want laws created based on religious teachings that are based on morals.....I gave two prime examples that are based on crap. Give me an example of a law that I want passed, confirmed, created based on my morals.

It seems to me that all laws are based on "right" and "wrong", so are you only against religious morals, and you accept "other" morals for the basis of laws?

Collin

callen wrote:

there are still counties in Texas that don't allow achohol sales of any kind.

You live in a funny weird country.

hippiemom

Collin wrote:

and this has a religious basis?

Absolutely. Restrictions on alcohol sales all over the country were put into place long ago because it is "immoral" to drink on Sunday when you ought to be in church. Some states have overturned them, others haven't. In Ohio we've had Sunday beer & wine for a few years no, just got hard liquor last year .... but not before 1 p.m. ... can't start drinkin' until you get home from church!

callen

surferdude wrote:

So basically you are not happy living in a democracy. A democracy that has built in checks and balances. That has processes in place to ensure both the Constitution and Bill of Rights are upheld.

Where the idea for a law comes from should not matter. The only things that should matter it that it went through the proper process to become law and that both the Constitution and Bill of Rights are respected.

you assume alot......

there are some pretty outdated prudish laws on the books....and as soon as we as a society break through our insecurities these silly laws will remain.
Question authority...question laws.

remember..majority doesn't make it right....look how many people supported W when he went into Iraq. Laws change as they should..and sometimes as they shouldn't. Not being able to buy beer Sunday morning is moronic...to put it bluntly...no different than any other day of the week. If you can give me reason Sunday is different...please let me know.

callen

angelica wrote:

It seems to me that all laws are based on "right" and "wrong", so are you only against religious morals, and you accept "other" morals for the basis of laws?

laws should be based on rights and wrongs....or better yet how is it your actions are affecting others. There is a balance...but when religious morals are used as justifications or are given weight..well thats the problem...

surferdude

callen wrote:

you assume alot......

there are some pretty outdated prudish laws on the books....and as soon as we as a society break through our insecurities these silly laws will remain.
Question authority...question laws.

remember..majority doesn't make it right....look how many people supported W when he went into Iraq. Laws change as they should..and sometimes as they shouldn't. Not being able to buy beer Sunday morning is moronic...to put it bluntly...no different than any other day of the week. If you can give me reason Sunday is different...please let me know.

I can't but I respect the democratic process that created the law, just as I'll respect the democratic process that may some day change the law. Seems to me you don't have much respect for the democratic process. I thin kif you did you'd be out there trying to change the laws to reflect your morals.

callen

Collin wrote:

You live in a funny weird country.

funny yes......just bunch of scared people that want others to help guide them through they're lives...pretty sad how weak we are as a society.

angelica

callen wrote:

laws should be based on rights and wrongs....or better yet how is it your actions are affecting others. There is a balance...but when religious morals are used as justifications or are given weight..well thats the problem...

It looks like you have biases between varying views of "right" and "wrong". It's normal that we all do, and that we see our own point of view. And yet, when we have a blind spot to the validity of the point of view of what we are biased against, I see the cycles merely being perpetuated. Ignorance and disrespect on both sides keeps the cycles in place. Unfortunately, the "sides" think they are correct.

hippiemom

callen wrote:

laws should be based on rights and wrongs....or better yet how is it your actions are affecting others. There is a balance...but when religious morals are used as justifications or are given weight..well thats the problem...

I agree. If you can't come up with a good argument for or against something without bringing religion into the picture, then it shouldn't be a law. I can come up with lots of reasons why rape and murder and theft and assault shouldn't be permitted without needing a biblical passage to back me up. I've yet to hear a sound argument for Sunday liquor sales or against gay marriage that didn't involve god's plan or god's word. That's a sure sign of a government that is supposed to be independent of religion overstepping it's bounds.

callen

surferdude wrote:

I can't but I respect the democratic process that created the law, just as I'll respect the democratic process that may some day change the law. Seems to me you don't have much respect for the democratic process. I thin kif you did you'd be out there trying to change the laws to reflect your morals.

I do very much respect the democratic process...its just great we have a house of representatives....can't think of a better way for our government ot represent its people......do I think its perfect..no but as with our current legal system...until we find a better way..its what we have. BUT that doesn't mean you shouldn't question....especially individual laws...and further those that are based solely on religion and not right and wrong......such as the beer example. Course all this goes back to seperation of Church and State...the sooner the better. But thats another can of worms and 100 more threads.

Collin

hippiemom wrote:

Absolutely. Restrictions on alcohol sales all over the country were put into place long ago because it is "immoral" to drink on Sunday when you ought to be in church. Some states have overturned them, others haven't. In Ohio we've had Sunday beer & wine for a few years no, just got hard liquor last year .... but not before 1 p.m. ... can't start drinkin' until you get home from church!

I think our national anthem has the line "you may get drunk 24/7" or something:D

hippiemom

Collin wrote:

I think our national anthem has the line "you may get drunk 24/7" or something:D

If it doesn't, it's time for a rewrite!

callen

angelica wrote:

It looks like you have biases between varying views of "right" and "wrong". It's normal that we all do, and that we see our own point of view. And yet, when we have a blind spot to the validity of the point of view of what we are biased against, I see the cycles merely being perpetuated. Ignorance and disrespect on both sides keeps the cycles in place. Unfortunately, the "sides" think they are correct.

Give me one reason why Beer should not be sold before noon on Sunday. Is it wrong to buy beer before noon? Is it right to refrain from selling beer before noon?????

I'm thinking many need to take their blinders off (not directed at you specifically).

angelica

callen wrote:

Give me one reason why Beer should not be sold before noon on Sunday. Is it wrong to buy beer before noon? Is it right to refrain from selling beer before noon?????

I'm thinking many need to take their blinders off (not directed at you specifically).

I have no interest in arguing whose morals/views are "right". I have no intention of being a part of this problem. I'm a part of enough of my own.;)

surferdude

callen wrote:

Give me one reason why Beer should not be sold before noon on Sunday. Is it wrong to buy beer before noon? Is it right to refrain from selling beer before noon?????

I'm thinking many need to take their blinders off (not directed at you specifically).

Please explain how either your Constitutional rights or protection accorded by the Bill of Rights was violated by this law.

hippiemom

surferdude wrote:

Please explain how either your Constitutional rights or protection accorded by the Bill of Rights was violated by this law.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..."

In enacting a law that has as it's sole basis the fact that Christians observe their sabbath on Sunday, the government is giving preference to Christianity above other faiths or no faith at all. The absence of the law would not be prohibiting the free exercise of the Christian religion, as Christians are obviously free to not purchase alcohol on Sundays.