Odigo says workers warned of 9/11 two hours before it happened

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Open wrote:
    1) If you had your shit together # 1 would be pretty obvious: Sadaam shooting scud missles at Israel during the first gulf war.

    2) Just b/c you dont think so? i guess i shouldnt think for myself or look at the facts that a post 9/11 Israel can get away with a lot more, without as much justification.

    3) Iraq took the attention away from Israel; pretty simple.

    If you would take off your blinders you would be able to understand a lot more than you do now.


    no need for the personal attacks. i dont have on blinders and probaly have a better understanding of the situation then you. but anyhow...


    so you think 9/11 was an inside job to invade iraq and to also justify israeli aggression? right?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Mission accomplished ring any bells. As in the threat is gone?

    We have to fight the new WMD now...terrorism...not WMD's and Saddam.

    You see when you fix a problem. In the public eye, and by general understanding, it's solved. It's over. As in resolved.


    maybe you missed the massive unpopularity of the Iraq war and now the american publics hatred of the president and war hawk cabinet?

    all they would have had to do was plant WMD and that would be all she wrote. invasion justified. but you guys think the same masterminds behind 9/11 dropped that ball :rolleyes:
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    my2hands wrote:
    so 9/11 was done to invade iraq?


    then why not plant WMD to legitimize the war and move onto the next target? that seems so simple to me it is not even funny... they can pull off 9/11 but not plant evidence? i dont buy that for 1 second...


    There were UN inspectors prior to the invasion, certainly have a short memory.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    So you think a global war on terrorism could have been started how exactly?


    you guys act as if we moblized for WW2... we went into Afghanistan and Iraq... thats all (too much, but still) and afghanistan was and is nothing but a dirt farm


    this "global war" is WAY over hyped... we lost 50,000 in vietnam, 10 times what we have lost in the "global" war
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    The parsimonious account of 9-11 is that it was indeed carried out by Bin Laden and cronies. They admitted to doing it, so I think its fair to say that they did play a hand, even if we do not have all the details. 9-11 conspiracy theorists don't spend any time debunking the Al Qaida account. Instead, they point at holes in the official government account as evidence for all kinds of speculations about Israel, about Bush, or what have you. FIND DATA THAT SUPPORT THESE ALTERNATIVES! Truth of the matter is, odd coincidences and gaps in our information ARE your data, and these are not decent evidence of Isreali involvement. Who knows? Maybe Bin Laden DID do it but with US or Isreali support? But find real proof, or at least concede that this view is speculative until you do.
    All this blinders talk is irritating ... People calling you on speculation is not evidence that someone is wearing blinders.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Open wrote:
    There were UN inspectors prior to the invasion, certainly have a short memory.


    your point?


    why would that stop them from planting WMD? they argued for years ebven after the inspectors left that they were there... dont you think they would have wanted to "prove" the inspectors wrong and justify the invasion to the world?


    you gys are too funny sometimes.

    short sighted it seems... your mind is made up and you are believing a fairy tale
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    reborncareerist wrote:
    People calling you on speculation is not evidence that someone is wearing blinders.

    thank you


    it is ok though... it takes all kinds...


    "there is a sucker born every minute" PT Barnum
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    Dp
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    my2hands wrote:
    no need for the personal attacks. i dont have on blinders and probaly have a better understanding of the situation then you. but anyhow...


    so you think 9/11 was an inside job to invade iraq and to also justify israeli aggression? right?

    Personal attacks? Ok. Please expand on what would give you a better understanding of the situation. Im curious.


    I dont know for certain? Im not going to be dismissive of evidence or motives just b/c it points to the US or Israel.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    so 9/11 was done to invade iraq?


    Tthen why not plant WMD to legitimize the war and move onto the next target? that seems so simple to me it is not even funny... they can pull off 9/11 but not plant evidence? i dont buy that for 1 second...

    To start a never ending war on the Arab nations based on a perpetual pre-emptive ideology.

    They all fabricated lies of WMD knowingly. They even duped Colin Powell into that ridiculous mobile weapon lab fiasco hit piece, which was the final coup de gras into going to war. That was the most ridiculous bullshit of all. They got carried away because people all swallowed it so willingly. Stiil ripe for revenge and bloodlust, from all the media footage of the towers falling again and again 24/7 for months. The line of intelligence was a joke from the beginning.

    So ask yourself...why did they knowingly lie if they were not prepared to plant some?

    Not why didn't they just plant some, so they must be telling the truth.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Open wrote:


    I dont know for certain? Im not going to be dismissive of evidence or motives just b/c it points to the US or Israel.


    yuo might want to be more certain when accusing peopel of murdering 3,000 people and commiting the greatest crime in world history... so you are basicly saying you are not even close to certain and have no evidence or real motive, you just know 9/11 was an inside job? :rolleyes:


    you better have alot more then the fact that you listen to Alex Jones or have seen "Loose Change"
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    you guys act as if we moblized for WW2... we went into Afghanistan and Iraq... thats all (too much, but still) and afghanistan was and is nothing but a dirt farm


    this "global war" is WAY over hyped... we lost 50,000 in vietnam, 10 times what we have lost in the "global" war

    You don't see global laws and restrictions on personal freedoms shaping up due to the media incessant propagation of the war on terrorism?

    hmm
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    On a broader level, 9-11 conspiracy theories have a sociological function. I can only speculate about what that function is ... They are obviously a symptom of just how disillusioned people are with the government of the US, with politics in general. Of course, there's always someone who for their own reasons must see dirty government spooks and coverups in anything, even when someone like Bush is not in office.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    my2hands wrote:
    maybe you missed the massive unpopularity of the Iraq war and now the american publics hatred of the president and war hawk cabinet?

    all they would have had to do was plant WMD and that would be all she wrote. invasion justified. but you guys think the same masterminds behind 9/11 dropped that ball :rolleyes:

    uhh ... however unpopular it may appear - this administration is still operating as they please and the US is STILL in iraq with no prospect of leaving ...

    having said that - polls are showing mccain and obama running neck and neck - how bad could this war be if half the population is still willing to vote republican?
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    my2hands wrote:
    your point?


    why would that stop them from planting WMD? they argued for years ebven after the inspectors left that they were there... dont you think they would have wanted to "prove" the inspectors wrong and justify the invasion to the world?


    you gys are too funny sometimes.

    short sighted it seems... your mind is made up and you are believing a fairy tale


    Haaa You talk about people being short sighted? Do you think inspectors just cruised through without documenting?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    reborncareerist wrote:
    On a broader level, 9-11 conspiracy theories have a sociological function. I can only speculate about what that function is ... They are obviously a symptom of just how disillusioned people are with the government of the US, with politics in general. Of course, there's always someone who for their own reasons must see dirty government spooks and coverups in anything, even when someone like Bush is not in office.


    It's only been 30+ years of this...no biggie..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You don't see global laws and restrictions on personal freedoms shaping up due to the media incessant propagation of the war on terrorism?

    hmm

    let me ask you this... i am no fan of the patriot act, but let me ask...


    if they knew about the 9/11 plot but didnt have enough to get a warrant... would you support law enforcement spying on the hijackers and interectping communications in an effort to stop them?

    yes or no
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    On a broader level, 9-11 conspiracy theories have a sociological function. I can only speculate about what that function is ... They are obviously a symptom of just how disillusioned people are with the government of the US, with politics in general. Of course, there's always someone who for their own reasons must see dirty government spooks and coverups in anything, even when someone like Bush is not in office.

    ??

    are you saying the gov't is always truthful - and i'm not talking about exaggerating economic stats and things of that nature ... i'm talking about being forthcoming about actions done in the name of the people ...

    if you look at the US foreign policy in the last 50 years ... it's shady at best - so, why would anyone take what the gov't says at face value when history shows otherwise?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Open wrote:
    Haaa You talk about people being short sighted? Do you think inspectors just cruised through without documenting?

    i can see debating with you is pointless


    you pull out 1 tank of sarin gas and those reports go up in smoke
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's only been 30+ years of this...no biggie..

    Sure, and by all means, question. The problem I perceive is that you've already made up your mind. Its WAY too soon for that ...

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