Rumsfeld Gone!!!!!!!!!!
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Americans should be proud
A wretched era of American interventionism has come to an end.
Simon Jenkins
November 8, 2006 02:43 PM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/simon_jenkins/2006/11/post_593.html
The ugly American mark two is dead. Overnight six years of glib European identification of "American" with right-wing fundamentalism is over. The gun-toting, pre-Darwinian Bushite, the Tomahawk-wielding, Halliburton-loving, Beltway neo-con, damning abortion as murder and torturing Islamo-fascists has been lain to rest, and by a decision of the American people. Americans should be proud and the world should take note.
Yesterday's result could hardly have been more emphatic. George Bush's election wizard, Karl Rove, said he would make America's midterm elections "a choice not a referendum". He would ask them to choose a congress not vote on his boss. The electorate did both. In a high turnout the majority rejected the tenets of the religious right and of "big government" neo-conservativism. They expressed concern over the corruption and warmongering of Washington and the state of their economy in Bush's hands. For the Republicans there were no consolations.
The new congress is mandated to press ahead with a higher minimum wage, an end to pork-barrel budgeting, immigrant amnesty, energy conservation, stem cell research and radical changes to the drugs bill and welfare generally.
Most of these may fall by the wayside, but they have behind them the winds of a mandate. Congress must find a way of curbing Bush's uncontrolled federal expenditure if a new Democrat president after 2008 is not to endure agonies of retrenchment. Whether Bush will decide to cooperate with such change in the hope of rescuing his floundering presidency is up to him. Certainly the only Republican of any stature, the war sceptic Senator John McCain, seems disinclined to help him.
A CNN exit poll of swing issues put Iraq, terrorism, the economy and corruption of equal concern to voters, with the Republicans scoring badly on them all. The politics of fear has now lost its post-9/11 traction. Republicans mouthing dire threats of "islamo-fascists" under every bed are scorned. The most ferocious ad I saw had a solitary figure on any empty set telling Americans that they had become less popular round the world, that terrorism had become worse, that Americans were less safe, that gasoline was more expensive and Osama bin laden was still free - all because of one thing, "the war in Iraq".
Over 60 per cent of electors want American troops withdrawn now or soon. The White House ran on a "pro-victory" ticket and lost. Yesterday's reports from Baghdad indicated widespread expectation and relief that American policy in that country is about to change. The American military is known to want to leave and Iraqis, whether those in power welcome it or not, sense the occupation is de facto over. At such a moment insurgency knows it has won, however long it takes the occupying power to go. Retreat becomes the only option. A wretched era of American interventionism has come to an end. A new day has dawned.0 -
If I was George W right now I would want to strangle Rumsfeld. If he would have stepped down a week ago they would have faired much better yesterday. Why step down now when the damage of the election is already done? The alliance of Bush and Rumsfeld almost completely ruined them and now a day late they figured out a change is needed? Maybe Americans aren't as dumb as they thought.06/22/95, 11/04/95, 11/15/97, 07/16/98, 10/30/99, 10/30/00, 10/31/00, 10/20/01, 10/21/01, 12/08/02, 06/01/03, 06/06/03, 10/25/03, 10/26/03, 09/28/04, 03/18/05, 09/01/05, 07/15/06, 07/16/06, 07/18/06, 07/22/06, 07/23/06, 10/21/06, 10/22/06, 08/28/09, 09/21/09, 09/22/09, 05/20/10, 05/21/10, 10/24/10, 11/26/13, 12/06/13, 06/28/14, 10/26/14, 07/10/18, 08/10/18, 10/02/21,0
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very curious timing indeed.lastexit78 wrote:If I was George W right now I would want to strangle Rumsfeld. If he would have stepped down a week ago they would have faired much better yesterday. Why step down now when the damage of the election is already done? The alliance of Bush and Rumsfeld almost completely ruined them and now a day late they figured out a change is needed? Maybe Americans aren't as dumb as they thought.0
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great news all around
interesting that this Gates guy who's taking over for Rumsfeld is ex-CIA chief, good to see that they brought in a heavyweight to clean up
don't really see how hiring from the intelligence community is going to improve Iraq thoughhate was just a legend0 -
TacoJammer wrote:I am betting the reason he is stepping down is because the Dems won and he is trying to dodge the investigation probes that would be comming his way. He is running scared. He is a man with lots of things to hide and the Dems winning risked him being fully exposed. Run Rummy, run as fast as you can you prick.
That's what I'm thinking. Nonetheless, this is just fantastic news!0 -
lastexit78 wrote:If I was George W right now I would want to strangle Rumsfeld. If he would have stepped down a week ago they would have faired much better yesterday. Why step down now when the damage of the election is already done? The alliance of Bush and Rumsfeld almost completely ruined them and now a day late they figured out a change is needed? Maybe Americans aren't as dumb as they thought.
that cuz he wasnt planning on stepping down0 -
bgirl59 wrote:Bump.
Today, I can be a proud American once again!
Peace
just cause the face of the government is changing dosnt mean the policies will.0 -
It's good to know the system still works. For a while I thought we were descending into a dictatorship. America is alive again.Intelligence is the key and she was locked out
Let's Just Pop a Few Yards of Bubble Wrap and Call It a Day!
Don't Die Wondering0 -
mammasan wrote:Recently released reports have stated that strategist believed that at least 400,000 troops would have been needed for the post war occupation and even with those numbers the possibility of sectarian violenceand even civil war would be great. That study was concluded well before our invasion. Generals from the Army War College where mentioning at least 350,000 troops for the occupation. None of these people where listened to. Yes we may have easily defeated the Iraqi military with less than 200,000 troops, but we did not have the necessary troops for an occupation. As Secretary of Defense he should have listened to his strategist and war planners all of which continuoesly stated that we needed more troops on the group for the occupation.
As far as exit strategy they have presented none and, this is an assumption, by the way eventsare unfolding in Iraq there doesn't seem to be one or the one they had is failing miserably and they are unwilling or incapable of devising a new one.
There is no debating the equipment issue. There where troops who where not provided body armor or out dated body armor. There where Humvees being used on patrols that did not have the proper armor plating to protect our troops from RPGs or IADs. I can understand if there was some type of logistical problem with getting supplies over there, but for the secretary of Defense to simply shrug it off with his comment is unacceptable. In my brother-in-laws platoon there where 10 troops who had no body armor or out dated body armor, one had a Vietnam era flack jacket for body armor. That's one third of his platoon that was not provided with the necessary equipment and their stories where not the only ones.
Lastly this is not just about the battle, in case you haven't noticed our troops are still dying over there by the bunches and the battle has been over for years. The invasion phase may have gone off smoothly, but the occupation has been short of a complete failure.
And would people have been happy with sending many, many more troops? Wouldn't that increase the chances that more might die?The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
yes, I think you are correct, this is what I was thinking as well.TacoJammer wrote:Not likely. I am betting the reason he is stepping down is because the Dems won and he is trying to dodge the investigation probes that would be comming his way. He is running scared. He is a man with lots of things to hide and the Dems winning risked him being fully exposed. Run Rummy, run as fast as you can you prick.0
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LifeWasted21 wrote:just cause the face of the government is changing dosnt mean the policies will.
changing as we speak!
Ditto: It's good to know the system still works. For a while I thought we were descending into a dictatorship. America is alive again. Posted by TacoJammerPEARL JAM in 2024! Dark Matter and MORE ! THANK YOU!!
Peace Love & Pearl Jam forever!!0 -
http://www.iava.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=2162&Itemid=67
Iraq Veterans Applaud Decision to Replace Sec. Rumsfeld
NEW YORK - The nation's first and largest non-partisan organization representing veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, IAVA, released the following statement from Executive Director Paul Rieckhoff in response to the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld:
"This is welcome news for our troops and veterans who have been paying the price for Secretary Rumsfeld's failures," said Paul Rieckhoff, an Iraq War veteran and the executive director of IAVA. "The replacement of Donald Rumsfeld is one step down the very long road to correct the mistakes made in Iraq over the past three years."0 -
TacoJammer wrote:Not likely. I am betting the reason he is stepping down is because the Dems won and he is trying to dodge the investigation probes that would be comming his way. He is running scared. He is a man with lots of things to hide and the Dems winning risked him being fully exposed. Run Rummy, run as fast as you can you prick.0
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know1 wrote:And would people have been happy with sending many, many more troops? Wouldn't that increase the chances that more might die?
I support the war, but I really wish they had sent more troops to begin with. There's no way they can squash this insurgency, calm secretarian violence, secure the borders, and rebuild infastructure with the number of troops they have. The quickest way to get everyone home is to send more troops over now, otherwise we are going to just drag this out for another 5-10 years with a few troops dying every other day. Also, can't say I'm suprised Rumsfield left, hopefully gates has a little better vision of what needs to be done in order to eventually begin to think about bringing troops home.0 -
cutback wrote:Short of pulling a Kenny Lay, he will stand trial for war crimes. I can hope can't I?
I would throw that in the same area as Bush being impeached, not going to happen, and shouldn't happen.0 -
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Byrnzie wrote:Americans should be proud
A wretched era of American interventionism has come to an end.
Simon Jenkins
November 8, 2006 02:43 PM
The ugly American mark two is dead. Overnight six years of glib European identification of "American" with right-wing fundamentalism is over. The gun-toting, pre-Darwinian Bushite, the Tomahawk-wielding, Halliburton-loving, Beltway neo-con, damning abortion as murder and torturing Islamo-fascists has been lain to rest, and by a decision of the American people. Americans should be proud and the world should take note.
easy there folks. this is very debatable given that all marijuana referendums failed and gay marriage bans passed. there is no mandate on social issues. it's not a resounding victory. the dems have to deliver on being a meaningful alternative, or the republicans will be back in force in no time.0 -
soulsinging wrote:easy there folks. this is very debatable given that all marijuana referendums failed and gay marriage bans passed. there is no mandate on social issues. it's not a resounding victory. the dems have to deliver on being a meaningful alternative, or the republicans will be back in force in no time.
maybe someone will actually give an inspiring speech about how peace could actually work if everyone got involved,...you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
~Ron Burgundy0
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