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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    I agree with Bill Maher on the Clinton haters. She certainly isn't the best motivator, and you may dislike her personality or disagree with her on the issues, but she's not a hatable person. If you hate Hillary, it's more about you than it is about her.

    About Ferraro's comments, I think she may be right to an extent. How much of the black vote does Obama get? In that respect he may not be where he is without that overwhelming support.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    JD Sal wrote:
    I agree with Bill Maher on the Clinton haters. She certainly isn't the best motivator, and you may dislike her personality or disagree with her on the issues, but she's not a hatable person. If you hate Hillary, it's more about you than it is about her.
    .

    What if you geniuninely believe her to have been involved in felony international drug trafficking with the CIA, and also a conspirator to murder? Oh, and you think she is an unchecked global government elitist (and acording to Larry Nichols, atleast, a former card carrying communist) who has aims of selling the United States out to the "global union" just like Gordon Brown did last week selling Britain to the EU ... all without the vote of the people?

    Is it stil me, or if the allegations are accurate, is the hate justified?

    Google "clinton mena" and "vince foster murder", for starters.
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  • rage against tm
    rage against tm Posts: 106
    looking at this from a native/white female pt of view, i voted for Obama because he seems to be about his buisness-changing politics in dc, understanding what it means to work to better yourself, understands adversity, seems honest and seems to have a more mature-controled persona + he says he will talk with contentious nations (how else are we going to get along?) bombs sure aren't helping.from a racial stand point all i can say is W>M>M> has ruled here for over 200 yrs and where are we? people of colors may have more compassion for poverty, suffering, injustice, a better hope for fairness? we have walked the walk.I wasn't crazy about hil from the start sensorship issues? then she started bitchin, crying(that's an embarressment to any woman trying to do a professional job + manipulative) then there was that crack about cleaning closets? who is she kidding? she's had house help almost forever.. a lawyer-governor's wife-first lady. lets not kid ourselves she isn't comon folk. then it got to be hil the menapausal maniac Who will answer the phone at 3 am? jeckle or hide? and don't say i'm sexist cause i'm a fem, she clearly needs a patch or something cause she isn't in control of her emotions or she is the most cuniving bitch i've ever seen. and poor ralph i just couldn't chance another 4 rep. years.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    JD Sal wrote:

    About Ferraro's comments, I think she may be right to an extent. How much of the black vote does Obama get? In that respect he may not be where he is without that overwhelming support.

    Its straight nonsense. i hate to have to keep pointing out to people that Obama has been winning, by large margins, in states that are 95, 96% white! Its ridiculous. Ferraro's comments, if not racist, are seriously racially insensitive. i think whats harder to swallow than ferraro's comments, are the comments of clinton campaign leader Maggie Williams. She basically defended Ferraro by saying her comments were fair and accurate. Maggie Williams is a Black woman. If someone were to say that Maggie Williams got to be the head of the clinton campaign because SHE is black. She would be offended and expect an appology. It would be a fair reaction. Williams should be the first person to drop ferraro like a hot rock.
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  • stratomaster
    stratomaster Posts: 23
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Ever heard of the high road? Do things because it's the right thing to do cuz if you don't then you're no better.

    I know we all do it sometimes but it's just food for thought. :)
    Obama has done that very well.
    Politics is such a dirty game. It really brings out a person’s true identity. It takes a very strong person to play fair and it looks like Hillary has failed. It seems like she will go to any extent to win, even if it means breaking the Democratic Party wide open.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:



    What exactly is the definition of cunt as you are using it here?

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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,984
    Racist and sexist posts not ok. Do not do it. Please use the Report to Mod feature if we miss any. Thank you.

    It's ok to elevate the discussion and debate.

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  • rage against tm
    rage against tm Posts: 106
    It seems like she will go to any extent to win, even if it means breaking the Democratic Party wide open.[/quote]
    exactly she would tear this party apart if she could a woman scorned...and it seems that bill will do what ever he can to help her cause if she dosen't she'll be bitchin at him for the next 4 instead? could you imagine?
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    another calculated move by the clinton camp that will backfire big time...
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    first it was America was not ready for a black president...

    now that he is winning they say it is because he is black...


    fucking hilarious :D




    not to mention 51% of the population is female, and an even larger % of voters are female... so if we are talking demographics based on gender/race Hillary has a clear advantage...



    Bill Clinton will do anything to win his 3rd term...
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    Kat wrote:
    Racist and sexist posts not ok. Do not do it. Please use the Report to Mod feature if we miss any. Thank you.

    It's ok to elevate the discussion and debate.

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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    my2hands wrote:
    another calculated move by the clinton camp that will backfire big time...

    i dont know, nothing else seems to backfire for her. she keeps hanging around...
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I'll be honest.
    As much as i'd like to think it really wasn't true,
    I'm pretty sure that if Obama was white, he would just be viewed as another politician that made a lot more promises than he ever could or would keep. Beyond that, he would get a bunch of crap for being inexperienced. AND, there is no way in hell he would ever have come close to beating Clinton or Edwards.

    Obviously we will never know, sense he is clearly not white,
    but it's just something i find interesting to speculate on.

    And don't misread this, i'm not saying people are only voting for him because he is black, or that they even know when they are voting that him being black is affecting their decision.

    But this whole "change" thing, and his "not a washington insider" thing ... imho, it only goes over because of the guys skin color.


    Are you serious? Are you listening to yourself?

    He is only at where he is at because he is black......?
    He is only beating Clinton because he is black.....?

    I know you said that is not what you are saying but sorry that is what you just said...... and that last comment about the only reason people "buy" or believe his change message is because of his skin color... well honestly that comment just crosses the line.

    These comments you are making speak more about you and your beliefs than they speak about society... sorry
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    KDH12 wrote:
    These comments you are making speak more about you and your beliefs than they speak about society... sorry

    And that is your opinion.

    Isn't America great?
    :D

    How do you know any better than me what goes on in the subconscious of some most or all Americans?

    No one does.
    Thats the point.
    I am allowed to theorize.

    Sorry if it doesn't conform to your PC norm.

    I'm not some fucking racist hick.
    I'm just saying what i think is potentialy going on here.

    Sorry if it PC-whacks you out.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    KDH12 wrote:
    Are you serious? Are you listening to yourself?

    He is only at where he is at because he is black......?
    He is only beating Clinton because he is black.....?

    I know you said that is not what you are saying but sorry that is what you just said...... and that last comment about the only reason people "buy" or believe his change message is because of his skin color... well honestly that comment just crosses the line.

    These comments you are making speak more about you and your beliefs than they speak about society... sorry

    BTW, you say that he is not getting votes because he is black, but then read this guys post, from like two above you:
    rage against tm wrote:
    looking at this from a native/white female pt of view, i voted for Obama because he seems to be about his buisness-changing politics in dc, understanding what it means to work to better yourself, understands adversity, seems honest and seems to have a more mature-controled persona + he says he will talk with contentious nations (how else are we going to get along?) bombs sure aren't helping.from a racial stand point all i can say is W>M>M> has ruled here for over 200 yrs and where are we? people of colors may have more compassion for poverty, suffering, injustice, a better hope for fairness? we have walked the walk.I wasn't crazy about hil from the start sensorship issues? then she started bitchin, crying(that's an embarressment to any woman trying to do a professional job + manipulative) then there was that crack about cleaning closets? who is she kidding? she's had house help almost forever.. a lawyer-governor's wife-first lady. lets not kid ourselves she isn't comon folk. then it got to be hil the menapausal maniac Who will answer the phone at 3 am? jeckle or hide? and don't say i'm sexist cause i'm a fem, she clearly needs a patch or something cause she isn't in control of her emotions or she is the most cuniving bitch i've ever seen. and poor ralph i just couldn't chance another 4 rep. years.


    Does that not read as, "i'm voting for obama because he is BLACK", to you?

    I don't know if you think you are quoting me or what, but i never said
    "he is only at where he is at because he is black"

    How people choose their vote for president in America is a highly complex EMOTIONAL issue that usualy has only a cursory relationship to policy and issues and is much more about how people "FEEL" about a candidate. Look at the post i quoted. Obama being black is certainly not the ONLY thing cited as a reason for liking the guy, but youd have to be an imbecile not to take away from that statement that at the end of the day Obama is getting brownie points for being black (was that a bad joke? brownies?) ...

    [btw, the comments made are also latent racist remarks, because the expilcit presumption is that people of color are more compassionate because they have been exposed to more opression as a people. Are white people better at economics because they have been around money longer as a people? And to rage against tm, i am NOT bashing you. sorry to pull your post up for this example, but it makes a good one. i know you are not racist trash or anything. this is just latent cultural conditioning. we all have it in degrees.]

    So does this kind of thought go on in the subconscious of some most or all Americans? Absolutely?

    Did this poster intentionaly mean to say he was swayed towards obama because of his skin color? Hell no.

    But is that the gut truth behind it?
    Undeniably.

    So what makes me such a bad person for pointing that out?

    :confused:


    [oh. there is also latent SEXISM in that post. The guy unwittingly puts out the position that basicaly only Men should cry in politics, because when a woman does it, it is somehow an embarrasement to her sex, because (this is deduction) women are known to cry a lot, and for hillary to do that is just using her sex, and it is somehow taboo. Now if obama cried, would it be manipulative? or would he be a "compassionate" man? So i get railed for being a racist POS (not your words, but your implication), and then we have honest unwitting posters who are expressing culturaly engrained latent racism and sexism, and they get kudos for making good points? Wow. Yay me! I feel so thrilled to be in this discussion.]
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  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    binger wrote:
    It's not even a logical opinion. He's pulling people from all over the spectrum. I'm a 38 year old white guy. I voted for him cause he sounds like a leader, somebody we haven't had in a long time, not because he's black.
    George W sounded like a leader too....
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Nevermind wrote:
    George W sounded like a leader too....

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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    DixieN wrote:
    I disagree that Ferraro made a racist statement. Everything she said makes reasonable sense to me, from saying that she would not have been on the ticket as VP if it weren't for her gender to saying that were it not for his race things would be different. She was very right in saying that if he were a woman of any color, he wouldn't be where he is. If Obama were the same candidate, but the opposite gender, he'd be Shirley Chisholm--a fine candidate who went nowhere.

    Give me a break. Obama, whether you support or don't support him. Is a black man running for President of the United States, all the what if he was a she and she was white, or he was a jewish, hispanic, asian, irish or white woman he wouldn't have a chance. It didn't make any sense when Ferraro said and it make less sense as it goes through repeats.

    BOTTOMLINE, Hillary's strategy was to tap into people's pride. The people of Pennsylvania who were grateful just to be working. What better way to do this than to have Ferraro associate Obama with affirmative action. So the underlying message to the people of PA is - look - here is another affirmative action black person taking a white man's job. People whether they are racist or not can relate to that message.

    The strategy will work because just like Ohio they have lost jobs and industry to NFATA. People forget NFATA is Clinton's doing, she's not going to bring quality jobs back to PA, OH or MI. Hell she to invested to even try. These people don't need another Walmart, Target, Home Depot or Lowe's because no one has the extra money to go shopping or build any damn thing. The only thing keeping OH afloat is the military base and its supporting function. MI had the Great Lakes and easy transport to/from with Canada. Once the Superhighway is completed, MI can be bypassed or become a truck stop because the bulk of the industry will be coming out of Mexico to Canada and through the Gulf to South America. PA your on your own, most of your resources have been tapped out, your waterways are of minimal importance to commerce and there's no military advantage. Politically, Hillary knew Pennsylvania would have been expendable had the race not been this close. She had nothing prepared for you, so she gives you the race card.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Out of this whole Ferraro ordeal, it's the Clinton campaign who is using the term "racist", not the Obama campaign. If Samantha Powers should be told by the Clinton campaign to resign because she called Hillary a "(political) monster", why shouldn't Geraldine step down from her role for a comment that was 10 times the comment that Ms. Powers made?

    The Clinton campaign wants race to become an issue in PA. They are trying to turn Barack Obama from a candidate who happens to be black, to the black candidate. It's terrible. It's dirty. It has no place in a primary election (or a general election). It's Clinton politics at it's worst.
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  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    Did anyone see Obama on the Today show today? Matt Lauer brought up this issue and, of course, Obama diffused the situation as only he can. Very tactfully.

    He said that this whole thing does not hurt his feelings because he realizes this is the nature of the campaign. He said that that type of thinking represents the policies of the past. Which I think is a brilliant strategic move on his part. Be it right or wrong, it is very smart to try and link it that way.

    He also said that if there were a book that was called (something like) 'The Pathway to the Presidency', you would not see a successful candidate being black and named Barack Obama. Basically saying that he has gotten where he is today because of hard work and support from all people not just African Americans.

    I would like to debunk many theories that his supporters are predominately black. In my state, we have a very small African American population, and he won here.

    I think it is more accurate to say that a majority of the African American voters support him. Not that he is only successful simply because he has black supporters. If that makes any sense. :) He is not only getting the black vote.

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