Attn: you cant say Obama is popular because he is black

DixieN

cornnifer wrote:

Richard Wright: Openly denounced and off the campaign.

Louis Farakhan: Never even close to part of the campaign, yet, publicly rejected and denounced.

The Clinton is a monster Lady: Off the campaign

Now, what about Geraldine Ferraro? Clinton has not even close to appologized for or adequately rejected or denounced this dinosaur's vile tripe. Sure, she stepped down (with no urging from clinton), but continues to run her mouth.
What about clinton's other surrogates she sets up to spew hatred for her so she looks innocent. Give me a break with this Richard Wright bullshit. Call in to the Hannity show and chat with him about it for God's sake, but give the rest of us a break.

What about your Senator Obama in a memo calling Hillary, essentially, Senator Punjab? "Oh, I'm so sorry," makes it all okay? This is not exactly a racially neutral thing and potentially offensive to both Clinton and anyone Punjabi. Indeed, it could be very offensive to anyone Indian American.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/120893.html

Ferraro said that she never would have been chosen to run for veep if her name were Gerald Ferraro. Very true. She was in the right place at the right time. Was she qualified. Very much so. She made a parallel observation about Obama being in the right place at the right time. Is he qualified? Very much so. Wow. How racist to make an obvious observation. What vile tripe! She noticed she was a woman and he was black and there's something to being in the right place at the right time. Whoa!! We can't have people going around saying things that might be true, can we?

Nothing Hillary has ever said, or her people have ever said, comes anything close to what Obama himself said and what a person he has very closely allied with himself has said. Wright has made, imo, racist statements. I don't really need a tirade against rich white people, black people, or any people whatever. Additionally, I don't think we need antisemetic comments made that go unchecked. And while I'm not exactly wild about "God Bless America," because it's so exclusive...I really don't like "God Damn America" outright. I am proud of the country, even despite our shortcomings.

And while were talking about surrogates, what Obama's? What about "Maxim Thorne, a member of the Obama campaign’s GLBT Leadership Council and former chief operating officer at the Human Rights Campaign, wrote that Hillary Clinton should disclose her whereabouts “when Monica was having sex with Bill.” Thorne penned his message in a lengthy e-mail to a listserv with hundreds of recipients, according to a report in Politico." He went on at length in this vein. Why don't we talk about some of Obama's surrogates, huh, spewing their actually vile tripe? (He was let go after the fact.)

What I like least about the whole fiasco is Senator Obama's flopping around like a fish out of water, first writing in a book that Wright was like an uncle you don't always agree with, then saying he'd never heard of these things, to saying he had heard of them after all, but never attended church while Wright was saying these things. His own people say Wright was a worry a year ago because of his views. But Obama didn't know what they were???? Please. Politician = liar. Professional liar, no better than any other professional liar.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Obama should not be held accountable for what others say. However, he needs to be held accountable for what he says and the choices that he makes. Despite his current forsaking of the leper, Wright, he did it because he was forced to politically, not because he chose to otherwise. Wright was denounced and reject as of Friday--not one year ago when concerns were raised by his own camp, and not many years ago when concerns might have been raised by his own conscience. That's worth thinking about.

Clinton is monstrously tough and certainly no angel. I'll give you that. A break? No. I'm sorry if you don't like what you're hearing about your guy. But, walk on water he doesn't do. New politics? Don't make me laugh.

DixieN

brandon10 wrote:

Do you really feel that every person that attends that church is a hatemongerer? Really??? Guilt by association? I guess you are saying anyone that goes to church does not have the power to think for themselves. A bunch of people said amen so they must all believe it to be? Really??

And we may have thought our coach was possibly gay. We just didn't care because he was a great teacher and a great coach. And I understand overlooking homosexuality and hate comments is not the best example. But I'm sure it is even more difficult for some to overlook his being gay.

I could not belong to a church that put down one group of people in order to uplift another. You cannot equate being gay with spewing things that foster racial or ethnic strife. I don't think that being homosexual is anything anyone needs to overlook in this day and age. But, I do think that one's belonging to a church lead by a man who said some of the things that were said is something that cannot be overlooked in any age.

El_Kabong

callen wrote:

Positon on abortion, position on gay rights, postion on this war. Think that should do it.

he thinks being gay is a choice and is against gay marriage

on the war, read my sig and from ontheissues:
Withdraw gradually and keep some troops in Iraq region.


http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/16764316.html

More than a year after the initial success of the invasion, Obama explained, "There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." And he was correct. In July 2004, he argued that America had an "absolute obligation" to stay in Iraq until the country stabilized. "The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster," he said. "It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died."

Two months later, Obama criticized Bush's conduct of the war but repeated that simply pulling out would further destabilize Iraq, making it an "extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity." And he signaled his openness to the deployment of additional troops if this would make an eventual withdrawal more likely.

In June 2006, Obama still opposed "a date certain for the total withdrawal of U.S. troops." "I don't think it's appropriate for Congress," he said, "to make those decisions about what happens in the field."

the wolf

i can say whatever the fuck i want to say!! i like Obama, but i do think some of his supporters support him cause its "so cool to do so"

Commy

El_Kabong wrote:

he thinks being gay is a choice and is against gay marriage

on the war, read my sig and from ontheissues:
Withdraw gradually and keep some troops in Iraq region.


http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/16764316.html

More than a year after the initial success of the invasion, Obama explained, "There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." And he was correct. In July 2004, he argued that America had an "absolute obligation" to stay in Iraq until the country stabilized. "The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster," he said. "It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died."

Two months later, Obama criticized Bush's conduct of the war but repeated that simply pulling out would further destabilize Iraq, making it an "extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity." And he signaled his openness to the deployment of additional troops if this would make an eventual withdrawal more likely.

In June 2006, Obama still opposed "a date certain for the total withdrawal of U.S. troops." "I don't think it's appropriate for Congress," he said, "to make those decisions about what happens in the field."

With more than half the country opposed to the war in Iraq I can't believe-its fucking incredible-that we don't have an anti-war candidate that has a legitimate chance at becoming president. It shows us how tight the controls are on the people that control the parties, to not allow someone that the majority would support. Our time wikll come though, I'm willing...and waiting.

the wolf

Commy wrote:

With more than half the country opposed to the war in Iraq I can't believe-its fucking incredible-that we don't have an anti-war candidate that has a legitimate chance at becoming president. It shows us how tight the controls are on the people that control the parties, to not allow someone that the majority would support. Our time wikll come though, I'm willing...and waiting.

im starting to really like you Commy! : )

cornnifer

Commy wrote:

With more than half the country opposed to the war in Iraq I can't believe-its fucking incredible-that we don't have an anti-war candidate that has a legitimate chance at becoming president.

What does "anti-war" mean to you? Pulling every single troop from iraq by 12:36 this afternoon? That's not anti-war. That's stupid and irresponsible.
Allowing for absolutely no provocation at all to lead us into violent conflict? Nothing at all? That, also is not "anti-war", but stupid and irresponsible.

RainDog

acutejam wrote:

A half-white/half-black man becomes locally political and joins a church to cement his relationship with a certain local constituency.

And then, when he decides to run for president on a national level, he distances himself from that church.

Political expediency pure and simple.

Only he didn't. He distanced himself from a few statements, but did not leave the church.

rebornFixer

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I'm just saying, no matter what candidate it is, if they went to a church for 20 years lead by someone who spouts this kind of stuff, then there's going to be fallout. These kind of beliefs speak to what kind of person Wright must be. Does a pastor's sermon not reflect who he is? His views went beyond political opinions and ventured into extreme paranoia and bigotry. And he didn't just keep these thoughts to himself, he felt strongly enough about them to share these sentiments with the whole congregation. These kind of views come from psychological leanings which don't just pop up suddenly and disappear again. I just find it hard to believe that Obama was not aware of this guy's views on matters like this. And any other candidate would be going through the same scrutiny if surrounded the same sort of circumstances. If Hillary's pastor of 20 years had said black people were destroying this country, people would be all over it just them same. Let's be fair and honest about it.

That said, this isn't a big issue for me in the slightest. I've got much bigger problems with Obama. I just chimed in to say it wasn't such a stretch for this to be a concern for some people. There is a point to be made and many of you were acting like it was ridiculous to even bring up. I don't think you're being honest with yourself if you're saying it wouldn't have been a issue for many of you if it had been a story about Hillary. This isn't a vote changing story but it's definitely worth some thought.

Well said.

Commy

cornnifer wrote:

What does "anti-war" mean to you? Pulling every single troop from iraq by 12:36 this afternoon? That's not anti-war. That's stupid and irresponsible.
Allowing for absolutely no provocation at all to lead us into violent conflict? Nothing at all? That, also is not "anti-war", but stupid and irresponsible.

Anti war means ending the occupation of Iraq.

WE invaded, we killed, its time to leave. Very simply concept.

Cosmo

Other than when watching 'Black Cock Down'... you will never hear a white guy say, "Man... I wish I was black".
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As previously stated... not a racial comment, but a stupid comment.