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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    zstillings wrote:
    I do agree that there are many different possibilities and I am only bringing these up, not really against what you are saying, but against a pervasive mentality that somehow attempts to lift the blame from the offender and place it on outside influences. I, once again, am not accusing you of this. It just seems to happen more often than not.

    I did say - the blame is laid on the offender, definitely. But I still think as a society we have some kind of input, whether from a 'social' point of view, education or 'the gun issue'.... But I understand what you're saying... individuals tend not to take responsibility of their actions... "I stole the car because the guy left his key in the ignition and I was tempted. If that man hadn't been so stupid, I wouldn't be in this situation.. it's his fault, not mine."
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    jlew24asu wrote:
    its possible and it exists but its not some huge problem that asian people deal with in general. got it now? fuck
    No need for a foul mouth... how would you know what an asian deals with? Are you asian? From my experience, most americans wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between an asian or a person from the middle east....
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    redrock wrote:
    No need for a foul mouth... how would you know what an asian deals with? Are you asian? From my experience, most americans wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between an asian or a person from the middle east....

    no i'm not asian but I work with many of them, my girlfriend is also asian. and never have I heard them complain about any discrimination. or that their "people" are subjected to it constantly.

    you think most americans cant tell the difference between an asian and an arab? has to be the dumbest thing I heard in awhile. well done.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you think most americans cant tell the difference between an asian and an arab? has to be the dumbest thing I heard in awhile. well done.
    Yep.... according to my experience and the experience of a number of friend that are of asian and arab origin and that are or have been in the US...

    Asians are not subjected to more or less hassle than anyone else.... it's just silly saying they would be less chances of racial abuse because you are asian and not another race.... but I'm thinking we are talking cross purposes here.. I'm talking Asian... you might be thinking far eastern... So with this, I think this exchange should end.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    redrock wrote:
    Yep.... according to my experience and the experience of a number of friend that are of asian and arab origin and that are or have been in the US...

    Asians are not subjected to more or less hassle than anyone else.... it's just silly saying they would be less chances of racial abuse because you are asian and not another race.... but I'm thinking we are talking cross purposes here.. I'm talking Asian... you might be thinking far eastern...

    Like South Korean?
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    zstillings wrote:
    Like South Korean?
    :D I get your drift, but the debate was not over one individual but as a general debate on the various pressures people are subjected to and how they react to them... racism being one of them.. aimed at ALL groups as was posted earlier.


    Hehe.... both these guys are 'asians' http://www.international.ucla.edu/cms/images/DdkimNandrews.jpg
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    zstillings wrote:
    Like South Korean?
    ...
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    redrock wrote:
    Yep.... according to my experience and the experience of a number of friend that are of asian and arab origin and that are or have been in the US...

    Asians are not subjected to more or less hassle than anyone else.... it's just silly saying they would be less chances of racial abuse because you are asian and not another race.... but I'm thinking we are talking cross purposes here.. I'm talking Asian... you might be thinking far eastern... So with this, I think this exchange should end.

    Well, you're goofing here. For one thing, historically, "Arab" has never been given the racial designation that "Asian" has known since racial designation has been going on. One mistake I hear many people make is calling Iranians, Arab.

    here's wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28historical_definitions%29
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    redrock wrote:
    Should have taken it up... positive discrimination is crap (if that's what it was)... If there were rules for the scholarship (grades, finances, etc.) they should have been applied to all. You had the right to know why she didn't get the scholarship, where she failed and what the appeal process was...

    the scholorship clearly stated for minorities only. the reason was quite clear. a civil rights lawsuit challenging affirmative action as reverse discrimination was not worth the cost or time. affirmative action is breeding hate on the streets and the rapidly increasing violence against minorities and the jump in membership of groups such as the arien nation and the KKK are evidence that the fight will take place on the streets and not in the courts.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, you're goofing here. For one thing, historically, "Arab" has never been given the racial designation that "Asian" has known since racial designation has been going on. One mistake I hear many people make is calling Iranians, Arab.

    here's wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28historical_definitions%29


    Good ol' wiki...

    ALso from wiki: Defining Arab in Modern Times
    In the modern nationalist era, according to Habib Hassan Touma,[6] "An 'Arab', in the modern sense of the word, is one who is a national of an Arab state, has command of the Arabic language, and possesses a fundamental knowledge of Arabian tradition, that is, of the manners, customs, and political and social systems of the culture."

    On its formation in 1946, the Arab League defined an "Arab" as follows:[citation needed]

    “ An Arab is a person whose language is Arabic, who lives in an Arabic speaking country, who is in sympathy with the aspirations of the Arabic speaking peoples" ”

    - Arab League.

    [edit] Origin

    Again from wiki: "Iranian Arabs (Persian: عربان ايران) are the Arabic-speaking citizens of Iran. Most Iranian Arabs live in the coastal regions of southern Iran by the Persian Gulf. Pockets of Iranian Arab communities are also found in Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, and the United Arab Emirates."
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    onelongsong wrote:
    the scholorship clearly stated for minorities only. the reason was quite clear. a civil rights lawsuit challenging affirmative action as reverse discrimination was not worth the cost or time. affirmative action is breeding hate on the streets and the rapidly increasing violence against minorities and the jump in membership of groups such as the arien nation and the KKK are evidence that the fight will take place on the streets and not in the courts.

    I am completely against any action that would advantage or disadvantage a race. I remember a long time ago, in California, I applied for a job. The guy wanted to hire me but didn't have his quota of minorities. I had put white on my application form. I am 1/32 native american and could have qualified for minority. Out of principle, i refused to change my application..
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    redrock wrote:
    Good ol' wiki...

    ALso from wiki: Defining Arab in Modern Times
    In the modern nationalist era, according to Habib Hassan Touma,[6] "An 'Arab', in the modern sense of the word, is one who is a national of an Arab state, has command of the Arabic language, and possesses a fundamental knowledge of Arabian tradition, that is, of the manners, customs, and political and social systems of the culture."

    On its formation in 1946, the Arab League defined an "Arab" as follows:[citation needed]

    “ An Arab is a person whose language is Arabic, who lives in an Arabic speaking country, who is in sympathy with the aspirations of the Arabic speaking peoples" ”

    - Arab League.

    [edit] Origin

    Again from wiki: "Iranian Arabs (Persian: عربان ايران) are the Arabic-speaking citizens of Iran. Most Iranian Arabs live in the coastal regions of southern Iran by the Persian Gulf. Pockets of Iranian Arab communities are also found in Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, and the United Arab Emirates."

    But, "Asian" is a race classification, not a cultural one, and that was the point I was making when you argued that Americans can't tell the difference between the two.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    I've turned pretty liberal in the past few years, but I will always agree with our right to bear arms.. I've never used a gun. I don't own a gun. I don't plan on obtaining a gun, but I strongly agree with the right to own one.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    redrock wrote:
    I am completely against any action that would advantage or disadvantage a race. I remember a long time ago, in California, I applied for a job. The guy wanted to hire me but didn't have his quota of minorities. I had put white on my application form. I am 1/32 native american and could have qualified for minority. Out of principle, i refused to change my application..

    i too was offered a job in 1985 as head of purchasing with a fortune 500 company. after being hired i was told i had to be released because government quota required the company hire 1 black and 1 woman to continue receiving government contracts. the company had only one opening and hired a black woman with no experience to comply with government quota.
    the company went under and was bought out a few years later.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Byrnzie wrote:
    O.k, but the same kind of tier system and clique system exists at both schools and colleges, right? What I'm asking is, how bad is this stuff? What effect does it have on people? And is there anything in the way people are treated in the U.S education system which may be responsible for these type of incidents being so frequent?

    The other thing is that the shooter at that mall awhile ago and this shooter weren't really American citizens either. Granted the VT killer had been here awhile, though.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    So what's the NRA's response to these tragedies?
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    The other thing is that the shooter at that mall awhile ago and this shooter weren't really American citizens either. Granted the VT killer had been here awhile, though.

    so why were they allowed to buy guns then????

    this is a valid question i have... the 2nd ammendment gives the right to bear arms to its CITIZENS.. so why did a "resident alien" who was only in america to study allowed a firearm :confused:

    someone answer that!!!
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    dunkman wrote:
    so why were they allowed to buy guns then????

    this is a valid question i have... the 2nd ammendment gives the right to bear arms to its CITIZENS.. so why did a "resident alien" who was only in america to study allowed a firearm :confused:

    someone answer that!!!

    That's an interesting question.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Collin wrote:
    So what's the NRA's response to these tragedies?

    Something about cold, dead fingers on their guns, I'd guess.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    dunkman wrote:
    so why were they allowed to buy guns then????

    this is a valid question i have... the 2nd ammendment gives the right to bear arms to its CITIZENS.. so why did a "resident alien" who was only in america to study allowed a firearm :confused:

    someone answer that!!!

    they are not allowed to buy guns. they broke the law. if laws had any meaning; there wouldn't be crime. laws only give the government the right to prosecute. they don't stop crime.

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