Russian Forces Invade Georgia

This situation is akin to that one of Afghanistan in seventies. The only difference is that US and Russia traded places this time.Now we back up so-called "separatists" but back then Americans called those Afghan separatists "freedom fighters".

The history truly has a funny way of perpetuating itself.

corduroy85 wrote:

This situation is akin to that one of Afghanistan in seventies. The only difference is that US and Russia traded places this time.Now we back up so-called "separatists" but back then Americans called those Afghan separatists "freedom fighters".

The history truly has a funny way of perpetuating itself.

how is Georgia seperatist? it's a souvereign nation since the soviet union's breakup. actually Georgia is fighting the seperatists: in south ossetia, who are "backed up" by russia not the US.

so no: this is also not like Chechnya, because Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation...
in the new war two souvereign nations fight.

m.

nobody wrote:

how is Georgia seperatist? it's a souvereign nation since the soviet union's breakup. actually Georgia is fighting the seperatists: in south ossetia, who are "backed up" by russia not the US.

so no: this is also not like Chechnya, because Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation...
in the new war two souvereign nations fight.

m.

I think you didn't read my post thoroughly. I implied that South Ossetia are considered "separatists" plus I didn't say a word about Chechnya:cool:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.ossetia/index.html

Georgia declares state of war with Russia


TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia's parliament Saturday approved a request by President Mikhail Saakashvili's to impose a "state of war," as the conflict between Georgia and Russia escalated, Georgian officials said.


A burning appartment building, damaged by a Russian airstrike is seen the northern Georgian town of Gori.

1 of 2 Saakashvili accused Russia of launching an unprovoked full-scale military attack against his country, including targeting civilian homes, while Russian officials insist their troops were protecting people from Georgia's attacks on South Ossetia, a breakaway Georgian region that borders Russia.

Separatist-backed South Ossetian sources reported that about 1,600 people have died and 90 have been wounded in provincial capital Tskhinvali since Russian forces entered the territory Thursday.

Russia's Interfax news agency said the death toll was at least 2,000 killed in the capital of South Ossetia and claimed the city has been destroyed.

Georgia said the overall death toll would be closer to 100.

Georgian officials said Russia has mobilized its Black Sea fleet off the coast of Abkhazia, another breakaway Georgian province.

Meanwhile, President George Bush, speaking from Beijing, called for an immediate halt to the violence, a stand-down by all troops, and an end to the Russian bombings. Watch Bush express concerns over situation »

The Georgian "state of war" order is not a formal declaration of war, and stops short of declaring martial law, according to Georgian officials who described it to CNN.

It gives Saakashvili powers he would not ordinarily have, such as issuing curfews, restricting the movement of people, or limiting commercial activities, those officials said.

It places the government on a 24-hour alert, said Georgian National Security Council Secretary Alexander Lomaia during a conference call with reporters.

Saakashvili asked Western leaders to pressure Russia to agree to an immediate cease-fire, which he said his country would willingly observe first.

"We are dealing with absolutely criminal and crazy acts of irresponsible and reckless decision makers, which is on the ground producing dramatic and tragic consequences," Saakashvili said Saturday afternoon.

A White House spokesman said President Bush spoke Saturday evening to Saakashvili and Russian President Medvedev.

The war, Saakashvili said, "is not about South Ossetia. It has never been in the first place. It is about destroying a small democratic nation aspiring to live in peace, freedom and liberty."

"This unprovoked, long-time-ago-planned invasion and aggression must stop," he said.

Russia, with a population of 146 million, is trying to destroy his country of 4.6 million people, he said, comparing it to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

"I think what is at stake here is the post-Cold War order," Saakashvili said.

Don't Miss
Bush, Putin discuss Georgia fighting
Understanding Georgia's territorial turmoil
Georgia orders cease fire, offers talks
Inna Gagloyeva, spokeswoman for the South Ossetian Information and Press Committee, told Russia's Interfax news agency that Tskhinvali was being "massively shelled" with artillery guns. Watch images of crashed Georgian war plane »

It was unclear which side was in control of that city on Saturday. The Georgians said fighting raged, but the Russians said they had "liberated" the city.

"Battalion task forces have fully liberated Tskhinvali of Georgian armed forces and started pushing Georgian units out of the area of responsibility of the peacekeeping forces," said General Vladimir Boldyrev, commander of the Russian Ground Forces, in an interview with Interfax.

Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told a news conference that the Russian paratroopers will "implement the operation of enforcing peace" on both sides.

Nogovitsyn also confirmed that Georgians had shot down two Russian aircraft. Saakashvili said his military has shot down 10 Russian bombers.

Russia said the troops were also reinforcing the Russian peacekeepers already in South Ossetia.

"Our peacekeepers, along with reinforcement units, are currently conducting an operation to force the Georgian side to accept peace," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said at the Kremlin. "They are also responsible for protecting the population."

Interfax said 15 peacekeepers were killed in the Friday attack by Georgian troops. Russia has opened a criminal probe into their deaths, Interfax reported.

Georgia, a former Soviet Republic, is a pro-Western ally of the United States intent on asserting its authority over South Ossetia and Abkhazia. which both have strong Russian-backed separatist movements. Watch Georgian minister describe fighting in South Ossetia »

Russia moved troops into South Ossetia early Friday after Georgia launched an operation in the breakaway region when its unilateral cease-fire was met with what it said was artillery fire from separatists that killed 10 people, including peacekeepers and civilians.

Russia charged that Georgia had targeted its peacekeepers stationed in the region.

Medvedev said Saturday that Georgia must be held responsible for the situation in South Ossetia.

"The people responsible for this humanitarian disaster need to be held liable for what they have done," Medvedev said. He said the humanitarian problems were caused by "the aggression launched by the Georgian side against the South Ossetian civilians and Russian peacekeepers."

Russian officials said more than 30,000 refugees have left South Ossetia and crossed into Russia over the past two days, since fighting began, Interfax reported.

Maia Kardava, a Red Cross spokeswoman in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi was unable to provide refugee or casualty figures Saturday morning because she said aid workers were still gathering information and visiting hospitals in South Ossetia and western Georgia.

Russian forces bombed several targets in Georgia on Saturday, according to Kardava and the British Foreign Office, which advised against all nonessential travel to Georgia.

Russian aircraft bombarded military and civilian targets the port town of Poti, on Georgia's Black Sea coast, Kardava and British and Georgian officials said. Eight Georgians were killed in the port town, Georgian officials said.

In the town of Senaki, just inland from Poti, Russian forces damaged a railway line, a military base, and a center housing civilians who fled from nearby Abkhazia.

Military bases at Vaziani and Marneuli also came under attack, the British Foreign Office said, and Russian aircraft bombed the Georgian town of Gori, about 35 miles northwest of Tbilisi, Georgian officials said.

Inside South Ossetia, civilians have been without water, electricity, and basic services for more than a day, Kardava said. She said the Red Cross was unable to reach colleagues based in Tskhinvali because their phones had lost power and they were huddled in bomb shelters.

Also Saturday, the commander of Georgian troops stationed in Iraq said the 2,000 soldiers there will be withdrawn from Iraq "very soon."


Colonel Bondo Maisuradze said the United States would provide the transport to get them out of Iraq. He said he had no time frame for the move.

Saakashvili told CNN Friday that the troops were needed in Georgia to defend against the Russian military.

nobody wrote:

I read your post, and it said that the US backs up the seperatists...which is false...georgia isn't seperatist...and south ossetia, which could be considered seperatist is backed by russia...
m.

I wrote in my earlier post

Now we back up so-called "separatists"

By "we" I meant Russian army. And by "separatists" I meant South Ossetia as most of the reporters call this small piece of land.

Didn't say a word about Georgia either.

my2hands wrote:

i see alot of jokes...

but this isnt good at all

No shit, im sure those poor people who are stuck in the middle arent laughing.

"Russia should use the Israeli propaganda rhetoric to justify its military intervention in Georgia. Maybe then Rice would refer to the birth pangs of a new Georgia."

This is interesting, I'll try to follow this more closely.

so I dont get confused
Georgia breaks away from russia Within its borders however is south ossetia. the Americans support Georgia.
The people of South Ossetia want independence from Georgia but the Americans dont agree.
North Ossetia is actually part of Russia and South Ossetia wants to join them within the greater Russia, or at least have Autonomy over themselves.

Georgian troops attack South ossetia and the russians move in to " defend russian citizens" yet Russia is named as the agressor.

Why do we support places like Kosovo and East timor who strive for their own independence, yet ignore places like South Ossetia
do the words Missile defence sheild have anything to do with it

Now when we get out of Iraq we can keep the military industrial complex going by pointing at Russia and starting a new cold war.