Uh-huh, considering that Georgia is not Eastern Europe at all, but a part of Middle Asia.
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well i'll be goddamned, you may be right. Wiki says "partially in Eastern Europe and partially in Southwest Asia in the Caucasus region", but you know wiki. I like to think i know my geography but didnt know its so far south. Europe isnt a real continent anyway. its a poser continent.
"Russia should use the Israeli propaganda rhetoric to justify its military intervention in Georgia. Maybe then Rice would refer to the birth pangs of a new Georgia."
The US will handle this stupidly. We're going to make Russia our enemy in this situation, and that's a stupid idea.
This is getting out of control.
So in the blue corner you have Moscow saying its military was responding to a Georgian assault to retake South Ossetia and has launched a peacekeeping operation to protect civilians, at the same time accusing the Georgians of committing "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing."
Then in the red corner you have US deputy ambassador Alejandro Wolff making it very very clear, Washington blamed Russia for escalating the fighting.
Great. Just what we need. The Russians as our enemies. Maybe our Government likes having the rest of the world hate us. Someone needs to remind them we are not invincible.
I'm not a devout pacifist but why is everybody should fight with somebody, can't we just live in peace???? I guess it's a rhetoric and at the same time a stupid question.
But still there are so many wondrous things in the world and they trade them all for war.
so I dont get confused
Georgia breaks away from russia Within its borders however is south ossetia. the Americans support Georgia.
The people of South Ossetia want independence from Georgia but the Americans dont agree.
North Ossetia is actually part of Russia and South Ossetia wants to join them within the greater Russia, or at least have Autonomy over themselves.
Georgian troops attack South ossetia and the russians move in to " defend russian citizens" yet Russia is named as the agressor.
Why do we support places like Kosovo and East timor who strive for their own independence, yet ignore places like South Ossetia
do the words Missile defence sheild have anything to do with it
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm certainly not an expert on this part of the world, but form what I've seen, the Russians are kind of justified here. South Ossetia shares a pretty common heritage with the Russian people. The South Ossetians want to claim independence and actually wanted to be part of the Russian Federation. The Russians already had peacekeepers on the ground because the are has been prone to violence. Georgia tried to forcibly keep the Ossetians from claiming independence. The Russians then offered "fast-track" citizenship to S Ossetians that wanted it, both as a reason to be there and as an expression of their interest in being in the Federation.
In this situation the Russians are actually on the side of of "self-determination", although that probably isn't THEIR motivation. This is what the majority of South Ossetians seem to want.
The US will stay out of this one. We'll argue the Russians suck for doing this to detract from the shitty thyings we are doing. The reality is that we don't care. Now, Georgia on the other hand.......there's a million barrels of oil a day pumped through Georgia, so we'll HAVE to defend the "democratic" Georgians if it escalates, but it shouldn't.
"For past seven years, Israeli companies have been helping Gerogian army to preparer for war against Russia through arms deals, training of infantry units and security advice."
"Jewish Georgian Minister Temur Yakobshvili on Sunday praised the Israel Defense Forces for its role in training Georgian troops and said Israel should be proud of its military might, in an interview with Army Radio. "Israel should be proud of its military which trained Georgian soldiers," Yakobashvili told Army Radio in Hebrew, referring to a private Israeli group Georgia had hired."
"For past seven years, Israeli companies have been helping Gerogian army to preparer for war against Russia through arms deals, training of infantry units and security advice."
"Jewish Georgian Minister Temur Yakobshvili on Sunday praised the Israel Defense Forces for its role in training Georgian troops and said Israel should be proud of its military might, in an interview with Army Radio. "Israel should be proud of its military which trained Georgian soldiers," Yakobashvili told Army Radio in Hebrew, referring to a private Israeli group Georgia had hired."
uhhhh... the Israelis sold arms to their allies?!? THOSE SONS OF BITCHES!
i like how in the header of that first article (ignoring the typo. wow. professional) it says that the Israelis sold Georgians weapons with the express purpose of war with Russia apparently, then says nothing to back up this claim in the rest of the article, and actually stated that some Israelis were worried it might piss off Russia.
All and all a completely irrellevent post. why is this vital information to you? most of the west suppports the small, former soviet bloc countries, and considering Russia's past aggression and its deteriorating democracy (if it can even be called that anymore), it seems perfectly reasonable (as a general rule. not neccesarily in this event). Fair and balanced, i tells ya!
If this conflict continues to get out of hand then guess what.... Obama's chances of becoming President get reduced DRASTICALLY!! In the event of a full out war between Russia and Georgia (who we'll back)... who is the public going to vote for? A peaceful democrat, or a military experienced republican?
I'm not choosing sides between the candidates... just making an observation.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
If this conflict continues to get out of hand then guess what.... Obama's chances of becoming President get reduced DRASTICALLY!! In the event of a full out war between Russia and Georgia (who we'll back)... who is the public going to vote for? A peaceful democrat, or a military experienced republican?
I'm not choosing sides between the candidates... just making an observation.
Well, going to war with Russia means we all die, so what difference would it really make who gets elected.
Mcain was a lower ranked officer in the vietnam war, how does this make him better in a war.
then again A large majority of the USA is uneducated in the world goings ons. they may just vote another BUSH IN FOR GOOD MEASURE
the world hopes for Obama
so basically this is the late 70's early 80's cold (hot) war revisitied.
It's ultimately a pissing contest unfortunately innocent people will be caught in the middle and killed over it.
Without even dealing with the opinions of the variety of parties, it seems like this is about control and influence in the region when you wade through the political bullshit.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
Mcain was a lower ranked officer in the vietnam war, how does this make him better in a war.
then again A large majority of the USA is uneducated in the world goings ons. they may just vote another BUSH IN FOR GOOD MEASURE
the world hopes for Obama
Are you saying that McCain was a lower ranked officer than Obama.. because I'm pretty confident Obama did not fight in Vietnam.
As you said, those same people that voted in Bush for a second term will get worried about another Cold War and will want to play it safe with another Republican.
Personally, I think both candidates suck. The whole Republican/ Democrat system is a bunch of horseshit. I think we should have our government run more like a big company, with a CEO that has no ties to the party system and can be fired if he is not directing the country in the right direction. Of course that will never happen because we're too far entrenched in the current system.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
I think we should have our government run more like a big company, with a CEO that has no ties to the party system and can be fired if he is not directing the country in the right direction. Of course that will never happen because we're too far entrenched in the current system.
and who would be in the board of trustees? just some rich republicans?
and who would be in the board of trustees? just some rich republicans?
Probably... haha
It would never work unless we had some people like our founding fathers set it up. Give some power to the have nots and so on...
I just watched that John Adams series on HBO, those guys were fucking amazing! The show was pretty good too:D
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
It would never work unless we had some people like our founding fathers set it up. Give some power to the have nots and so on...
I just watched that John Adams series on HBO, those guys were fucking amazing! The show was pretty good too:D
are you one of those people who thinks our founding fathers were saints?
Cause I'm sure while Thomas Jefferson was writing "...all men, created equal..." he was also yelling out "GO GET ME A SANDWICH NIGGER OR I'LL KILL YOU."
wait a minute, what does this have to do with russia and georgia again?
wait a minute, what does this have to do with russia and georgia again?
Not much, but then again you found a way to bring Israel into it.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
how is it irrelevant? it is clearly related to the topic.
most of the west suppports the small, former soviet bloc countries, and considering Russia's past aggression and its deteriorating democracy (if it can even be called that anymore), it seems perfectly reasonable (as a general rule. not neccesarily in this event). Fair and balanced, i tells ya!
Most of the West also supports Israel, many countries supported war on Iraq, Afghanistan and the occupation, sanctions/possible military usage on Iran... what's the point here?
are you one of those people who thinks our founding fathers were saints?
Cause I'm sure while Thomas Jefferson was writing "...all men, created equal..." he was also yelling out "GO GET ME A SANDWICH NIGGER OR I'LL KILL YOU."
wait a minute, what does this have to do with russia and georgia again?
No, I was joking. The show was good though.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
how is it irrelevant? it is clearly related to the topic.
Most of the West also supports Israel, many countries supported war on Iraq, Afghanistan and the occupation, sanctions/possible military usage on Iran... what's the point here?
whats the point of mentioning Israel's arms sales here? They are pretty insignificant compared with most of Georgia's dealings with the rest of the west, or at least of no special interest to anyone not obsessed with hating on Israel. its almost completely off topic, just admit it.
and if Israel's intent was to arm Georgians to launch a war with Russia (again, no proof in the article), it was pretty poor planning on their part. unless the purpose was to turn Georgia into a Russian satellite again.
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Hence a big part of why the joke was funny. Along with the last part of it.
Honestly, I don't really know a lot of what's going on over there, so I can't really comment on it.
I make a joke or two to keep myself sane from all this warring and killing. So damn sick of all this crap.
No shit, im sure those poor people who are stuck in the middle arent laughing.
So in the blue corner you have Moscow saying its military was responding to a Georgian assault to retake South Ossetia and has launched a peacekeeping operation to protect civilians, at the same time accusing the Georgians of committing "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing."
Then in the red corner you have US deputy ambassador Alejandro Wolff making it very very clear, Washington blamed Russia for escalating the fighting.
Great. Just what we need. The Russians as our enemies. Maybe our Government likes having the rest of the world hate us. Someone needs to remind them we are not invincible.
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But still there are so many wondrous things in the world and they trade them all for war.
Georgia breaks away from russia Within its borders however is south ossetia. the Americans support Georgia.
The people of South Ossetia want independence from Georgia but the Americans dont agree.
North Ossetia is actually part of Russia and South Ossetia wants to join them within the greater Russia, or at least have Autonomy over themselves.
Georgian troops attack South ossetia and the russians move in to " defend russian citizens" yet Russia is named as the agressor.
Why do we support places like Kosovo and East timor who strive for their own independence, yet ignore places like South Ossetia
do the words Missile defence sheild have anything to do with it
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Perfect, let's just hope it stays cold, eh?
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USA...USA!!
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/did-us-military.html
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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In this situation the Russians are actually on the side of of "self-determination", although that probably isn't THEIR motivation. This is what the majority of South Ossetians seem to want.
The US will stay out of this one. We'll argue the Russians suck for doing this to detract from the shitty thyings we are doing. The reality is that we don't care. Now, Georgia on the other hand.......there's a million barrels of oil a day pumped through Georgia, so we'll HAVE to defend the "democratic" Georgians if it escalates, but it shouldn't.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3580136,00.html
"Jewish Georgian Minister Temur Yakobshvili on Sunday praised the Israel Defense Forces for its role in training Georgian troops and said Israel should be proud of its military might, in an interview with Army Radio. "Israel should be proud of its military which trained Georgian soldiers," Yakobashvili told Army Radio in Hebrew, referring to a private Israeli group Georgia had hired."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html
i like how in the header of that first article (ignoring the typo. wow. professional) it says that the Israelis sold Georgians weapons with the express purpose of war with Russia apparently, then says nothing to back up this claim in the rest of the article, and actually stated that some Israelis were worried it might piss off Russia.
All and all a completely irrellevent post. why is this vital information to you? most of the west suppports the small, former soviet bloc countries, and considering Russia's past aggression and its deteriorating democracy (if it can even be called that anymore), it seems perfectly reasonable (as a general rule. not neccesarily in this event). Fair and balanced, i tells ya!
I'm not choosing sides between the candidates... just making an observation.
then again A large majority of the USA is uneducated in the world goings ons. they may just vote another BUSH IN FOR GOOD MEASURE
the world hopes for Obama
It's ultimately a pissing contest unfortunately innocent people will be caught in the middle and killed over it.
Without even dealing with the opinions of the variety of parties, it seems like this is about control and influence in the region when you wade through the political bullshit.
Are you saying that McCain was a lower ranked officer than Obama.. because I'm pretty confident Obama did not fight in Vietnam.
As you said, those same people that voted in Bush for a second term will get worried about another Cold War and will want to play it safe with another Republican.
Personally, I think both candidates suck. The whole Republican/ Democrat system is a bunch of horseshit. I think we should have our government run more like a big company, with a CEO that has no ties to the party system and can be fired if he is not directing the country in the right direction. Of course that will never happen because we're too far entrenched in the current system.
Probably... haha
It would never work unless we had some people like our founding fathers set it up. Give some power to the have nots and so on...
I just watched that John Adams series on HBO, those guys were fucking amazing! The show was pretty good too:D
Cause I'm sure while Thomas Jefferson was writing "...all men, created equal..." he was also yelling out "GO GET ME A SANDWICH NIGGER OR I'LL KILL YOU."
wait a minute, what does this have to do with russia and georgia again?
Not much, but then again you found a way to bring Israel into it.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
cute remark though.
No, I was joking. The show was good though.
and if Israel's intent was to arm Georgians to launch a war with Russia (again, no proof in the article), it was pretty poor planning on their part. unless the purpose was to turn Georgia into a Russian satellite again.
Hail, Hail!!!
LOL. Good one.