Socialized Healthcare?

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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    El_Kabong wrote:
    Why doesn’t the United States have universal health care as a right of citizenship? The United States is the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee access to health care as a right of citizenship.

    It's no coincidence that the US has one of the highest (some say the highest) unintended pregnancy rates in the industrialized world. 49% of pregnancies are unintended, and there is a huge, increasing disparity based on income. Those who complain about people trying to get a free ride should consider the costs of not providing healthcare to everyone - like the creation of many more people who need a "free ride". This is just one of the many examples of how universal healthcare would allow people to take more preventative measures.
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    scb wrote:
    It's no coincidence that the US has one of the highest (some say the highest) unintended pregnancy rates in the industrialized world. 49% of pregnancies are unintended, and there is a hug, increasing disparity based on income. Those who complain about people trying to get a free ride should consider the costs of not providing healthcare to everyone - like the creation of many more people who need a "free ride". This is just one of the many examples of how universal healthcare would allow people to take more preventative measures.

    What does health insurance have to do with knocking up a chick? I don't think you need an HMO ID card to tap/not tap some ass.
    Do you remember Rock & Roll Radio?
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    potluck wrote:
    How could we possibly pay for a comprehensive universal healthcare plan? The average two child family in Quebec pays close to $5000 per year in taxes just to cover their share of the bill, which is much more than anybody pays for comprehensive private health insurance in America.

    I have a 15 page paper due thursday on the subject for my Public Admin course. I am suppose to figure out how to make it work without increasing taxes too much. Any help would be appreciated.

    All the liturature ive found seems to sidestep the issue of how to pay for it all.
    We could tax things we don't like-either that or cut the military spending, the "defense" budget. THe US already accounts for over 50% of the entire world's military spending.

    But, should you choose not to cut into the 'defense' budget, you could tax things like pollution, or stock market transactions, to pay for a universal health care plan. Trillions change hands in the stock market every day-a .01% tax would be noticable, as far as spending goes, but would make very little impact on the stock market trading. ANd we could all have health care.

    Why are companies making profit on human lives? What do we tell our kids when we can't afford to make them better? And what kind of system is that?
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    scb wrote:
    It's no coincidence that the US has one of the highest (some say the highest) unintended pregnancy rates in the industrialized world. 49% of pregnancies are unintended, and there is a hug, increasing disparity based on income. Those who complain about people trying to get a free ride should consider the costs of not providing healthcare to everyone - like the creation of many more people who need a "free ride". This is just one of the many examples of how universal healthcare would allow people to take more preventative measures.
    Everyone should have a "free ride". Especially in the US.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Commy wrote:
    Everyone should have a "free ride". Especially in the US.

    WTF???

    You recognize that for someone to have a "free ride", someone else has to provide that, right??? And if someone has to provide it, that someone is not getting a "free ride".

    In other words, it's not possible for everyone to have a "free ride".
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    farfromglorified wrote:
    WTF???

    You recognize that for someone to have a "free ride", someone else has to provide that, right??? And if someone has to provide it, that someone is not getting a "free ride".

    In other words, it's not possible for everyone to have a "free ride".
    Your definition of 'free ride' is different than mine.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Commy wrote:
    Your definition of 'free ride' is different than mine.

    What's your definition?
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    farfromglorified wrote:
    What's your definition?
    not having to pay to save your life while a society has the resources to provide that free of charge, in regards to health care anyway.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Commy wrote:
    not having to pay to save your life while a society has the resources to provide that free of charge, in regards to health care anyway.

    do you have a job? do you pay taxes? im just curious
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    do you have a job? do you pay taxes? im just curious
    I made a company $12 million/year for 2 years. Before that I made the same company $3 million a year, in a different capacity. As it stands I no longer pay taxes.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Commy wrote:
    I made a company $12 million/year for 2 years. Before that I made the same company $3 million a year, in a different capacity. As it stands I no longer pay taxes.

    you made a company? lol so you are a multimillionaire? how do you not pay taxes? you must make thousands on capital gains?

    regardless, you dont pay taxes, but you want others to pay for your healthcare even though you can afford any doctor you want? I knew you were selfish but thats off the charts.
  • Dylan Stone
    Dylan Stone Posts: 1,145
    In a country as wealthy as this one...no one should go without basic healthcare.

    In a country as "Christian" as this one... the concept of working together to take care of the most basic needs of others... should not be so hard to wrap our heads around.

    There are so many incredibly rich people in this country....And over 40 million Americans (over 10 million children!) without basic healthcare. It's a travesty. Plain and simple it's horrendous. And it's horrendous that my 82 year old uncle who is a veteran and worked hard his entire life...is still working because his medications... after veterans benefits and medicare... still run him over $700/ month.

    This is the American dream, huh? While other sit back and scheme on the backs of the working class and make billions.

    Whatever...all of you that think the current system works so well for you...I hope you never run into any hard times.

    Good Luck.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    you made a company? lol so you are a multimillionaire? how do you not pay taxes? you must make thousands on capital gains?

    regardless, you dont pay taxes, but you want others to pay for your healthcare even though you can afford any doctor you want? I knew you were selfish but thats off the charts.


    I made a company profit. and yes it was millions.


    This has nothing to do with me anyway. And that's typical, to focus on the individual when the majority is being discussed.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Commy wrote:
    I made a company profit. and yes it was millions.


    This has nothing to do with me anyway. And that's typical, to focus on the individual when the majority is being discussed.

    you don't find this selfish? you are a multimillionaire but you want others to pay for your healthcare? while you pay ZERO into the system. tell me, what the fuck makes you so special?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Commy wrote:
    not having to pay to save your life while a society has the resources to provide that free of charge, in regards to health care anyway.

    Do you understand where those resources came from to begin with??? In other words, if everyone is to have a "free ride", there would be no resources to begin with.

    This is what drives me crazy about this mindset. It's like eating an apple, burning down the apple tree, and then demanding free apples....
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Do you understand where those resources came from to begin with??? In other words, if everyone is to have a "free ride", there would be no resources to begin with.

    This is what drives me crazy about this mindset. It's like eating an apple, burning down the apple tree, and then demanding free apples....
    no, in the US its like the gov't taking over an apple field from a neighbor and then charging the hungry citizens to eat, while an elite few make a profit.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    you don't find this selfish? you are a multimillionaire but you want others to pay for your healthcare? while you pay ZERO into the system. tell me, what the fuck makes you so special?
    no no. I am not a millionaire. far from it.

    I did not mean to imply that. and I am benefiting from tax dollars atm.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Honest question for you guys, about the term "free ride".

    For those using the term "free ride" how much of the population do you believe would be like that?

    Honestly.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Honest question for you guys, about the term "free ride".

    For those using the term "free ride" how much of the population do you believe would be like that?

    Honestly.


    And those people are already on medicaid and welfare, most likely
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    GTFLYGIRL wrote:
    In a country as wealthy as this one...no one should go without basic healthcare.

    In a country as "Christian" as this one... the concept of working together to take care of the most basic needs of others... should not be so hard to wrap our heads around.

    There are so many incredibly rich people in this country....And over 40 million Americans (over 10 million children!) without basic healthcare. It's a travesty. Plain and simple it's horrendous. And it's horrendous that my 82 year old uncle who is a veteran and worked hard his entire life...is still working because his medications... after veterans benefits and medicare... still run him over $700/ month.

    This is the American dream, huh? While other sit back and scheme on the backs of the working class and make billions.

    Whatever...all of you that think the current system works so well for you...I hope you never run into any hard times.

    Good Luck.

    While "darwin's rollin over in his coffin
    [and] the fittest are surviving much less often"

    its great to see common sense prevail.

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