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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if you want to believe in some interstellar Frank Loyd Wright, be my guest. :D


    kinda like a taliesen north. way way north. :)
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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    catefrances wrote:
    kinda like a taliesen north. way way north. :)

    that follow the line of the porch that overlooks the river and the rocks......ah.......almost divine.

    (I'm talking about Frank Lloyd Wright, btw)
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    until i meet someone's god, i'll remain very skeptical......:)
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Bu2 wrote:
    that follow the line of the porch that overlooks the river and the rocks......ah.......almost divine.

    (I'm talking about Frank Lloyd Wright, btw)

    no shit Bu. :D:p

    i think 'falling water' is one of the most divine buildings ever.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Bu2 wrote:
    he?

    Again, just curious.

    Just training I guess bu. :)

    Bit like Pavlov's dogs.

    We hear God we say He

    Not that I think it's correct, just habit I guess. :)
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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    "It". "Thing".

    Of course, I do run the risk of sounding like Stephen King.....
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    cutback wrote:
    until i meet someone's god, i'll remain very skeptical......:)

    :p Hi Pumpkin! Don't tell me you didn't recognize me??! ;):p:D
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    when i was in second grade the teacher was polling the class about which religion they were(public school teachers could get away with that kinda shit back then) when she asked "who here is Roman Catholic?" I didn't raise my hand. this kid in my class that happened to be the son of my Mom's best friend noticed and since he had seen me at Mass nearly every Sunday he said to me "you better raise your hand." to which i replied(and the entire class overheard) "but i don't believe in god" of course when he when home and ratted me out to his Mom and that evening my Mother received a phone call. weeeell, the way my Mom reacted you've had thought that i single-handedly was responsible for the crucifiction of Christ....I did get the holy crap beat out of me for it. I had to promise to never, ever say such things again and I was forced to continue going to Mass every Sunday. and i did try to "get it" but it was just so illogical

    so like 6-8 months goes by and something not good happened (without going into details) and I asked my Mother "why?" and her response was "it's God's will" I just remember thinking "in that case God's a jerk." from then on I told my Mother that I wasn't going to Church anymore and that she couldn't make me. my Daddy totally backed me up, probably because I was his baby girl that could do no wrong and afterall he was a heathen too ;)

    now as an adult I'm an agnostic leaning toward atheist...i mean I'm pretty sure that there is no god but since i can't prove that i'll leave open that tiny window that anything could be possible...though i've never known that jerk to call
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Bu2 wrote:
    "It". "Thing".

    Of course, I do run the risk of sounding like Stephen King.....

    Nothing wrong with Mr King! :)
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Yes, I agree with you. I don't know - nobody does. But I believe that death is final, ie. nothing after it. Y'know, we're gone for good. If you read my post again, you'll notice I never said that people who believe in heaven are wrong.

    ok ok cool. :)
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    prism wrote:
    when i was in second grade the teacher was polling the class about which religion they were(public school teachers could get away with that kinda shit back then) when she asked "who here is Roman Catholic?" I didn't raise my hand. this kid in my class that happened to be the son of my Mom's best friend noticed and since he had seen me at Mass nearly every Sunday he said to me "you better raise your hand." to which i replied(and the entire class overheard) "but i don't believe in god" of course when he when home and ratted me out to his Mom and that evening my Mother received a phone call. weeeell, the way my Mom reacted you've had thought that i single-handedly was responsible for the crucifiction of Christ....I did get the holy crap beat out of me for it. I had to promise to never, ever say such things again and I was forced to continue going to Mass every Sunday. and i did try to "get it" but it was just so illogical

    so like 6-8 months goes by and something not good happened (without going into details) and I asked my Mother "why?" and her response was "it's God's will" I just remember thinking "in that case God's a jerk." from then on I told my Mother that I wasn't going to Church anymore and that she couldn't make me. my Daddy totally backed me up, probably because I was his baby girl that could do no wrong and afterall he was a heathen too ;)

    now as an adult I'm an agnostic leaning toward atheist...i mean I'm pretty sure that there is no god but since i can't prove that i'll leave open that tiny window that anything could be possible...though i've never known that jerk to call

    :D LMAO! Love you girl! Pretty much where I'm at too.
    And isn't it funny the horror experiences that turn us away from Mass and the Catholic Church? I've had a similar experience myself as a really small child and was labelled a heretic and a heathen by my very own great granny simply because I refused to sit beside her quietly in the pew when I thought they were about to do something dire. :)
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Jeanie wrote:
    : p Hi Pumpkin! Don't tell me you didn't recognize me??! ; ) : p : D


    oh i've met met people with god complexes..........;) :eek: :p:D


    good evening darlin'.....:o
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Jeanie wrote:
    :D LMAO! Love you girl! Pretty much where I'm at too.
    And isn't it funny the horror experiences that turn us away from Mass and the Catholic Church? I've had a similar experience myself as a really small child and was labelled a heretic and a heathen by my very own great granny simply because I refused to sit beside her quietly in the pew when I thought they were about to do something dire. :)

    it was bad enough that kids were supposed to just sit there quietly but back then the Preist still said Mass in latin....Jesus H. Christ talk about BORING
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  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    we didn't come from nothing, the universe had to come from something, God to me is what the universe came from, was created by.

    as for my feelings about the universe itself, to me it's God's petri dish, started with a bang and watch it grow...definitely don't believe 'God' is controlling what's happening, my typing this, Barry hitting homeruns, or allowing Priests to moleste children, let alone allowing all child molestation.

    Look at religions in general, and most all of us would be put to death just for living our daily lives if we lived by religious rules of 1500 yrs ago. Religions seem to bend but not break with the times. The best religion generall has to offer is at the community and personal level, but once it goes higher than that, the power corrupts.

    not trying to disrepect anyone's religion, just some observations of mine.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    cutback wrote:
    oh i've met met people with god complexes..........; ) : eek : : p : D


    good evening darlin'.....:o

    Me too! And this week so far I've been called an angel and Mother Theresa so don't mind me, I might be developing one meself! :D

    How's trix in Lala land this evening darl? :)
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  • nickcat0
    nickcat0 Posts: 75
    prism wrote:
    it was bad enough that kids were supposed to just sit there quietly but back then the Preist still said Mass in latin....Jesus H. Christ talk about BORING

    I'm Church of England myself , which is a sort of wishy , washy Anglican / Protestant denomination .
    I attended a funeral recently in a Roman Catholic Church and found the service very severe , over-powering and lacking in warmth .
    I don't wish to criticize someone elses faith , but I do hope this was because the Priest taking the service was lacking charisma and not because of the Catholic service itself .
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    prism wrote:
    it was bad enough that kids were supposed to just sit there quietly but back then the Preist still said Mass in latin....Jesus H. Christ talk about BORING

    Well somehow in my head, (I was a highly imaginative 4 year old :D ) I decided that the clock on the alter with the cloth covering its face was a man they were planning to behead. And with all the latin incantations and incence waving going on I was pretty sure they were gonna off him while I watched! AS IF I was gonna sit there quietly for that! :rolleyes:

    I have sat through Mass a few times since and I find it really interesting. From a historical ritual perspective. But yeah, back in the day, it was way too scary for kids like me! :)
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  • nickcat0
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    Jeanie wrote:
    Well somehow in my head, (I was a highly imaginative 4 year old :D ) I decided that the clock on the alter with the cloth covering its face was a man they were planning to behead. And with all the latin incantations and incence waving going on I was pretty sure they were gonna off him while I watched! AS IF I was gonna sit there quietly for that! :rolleyes:

    I have sat through Mass a few times since and I find it really interesting. From a historical ritual perspective. But yeah, back in the day, it was way too scary for kids like me! :)

    Beheading in church ...... wow .......... what sort of Sunday school stories did you read .
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    nickcat0 wrote:
    I'm Church of England myself , which is a sort of wishy , washy Anglican / Protestant denomination .
    I attended a funeral recently in a Roman Catholic Church and found the service very severe , over-powering and lacking in warmth .
    I don't wish to criticize someone elses faith , but I do hope this was because the Priest taking the service was lacking charisma and not because of the Catholic service itself .

    I've done the Uniting Church service here a few times nick and that's kinda Anglican/Presbyterian/Protestant I think. Not that I'm any authority on church. But I did find the Uniting church service to be more inclusive of the congregation. More "loving" I suppose than a Catholic mass. But then as I've said I do like to watch the ceremony and ritual of a Catholic mass too.
    But they are highly organized and seemingly more of a "performance" in that there appears to be things that need to happen and people need to watch but not interact so much as in other churches services.

    Oh and that's not me having a go at anybody elses faith or religion either, just so I'm clear. To each his own will always be a motto of mine. I'm just talking what I've seen and experienced in relation to church. :)
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  • Jeanie
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    nickcat0 wrote:
    Beheading in church ...... wow .......... what sort of Sunday school stories did you read .

    Oh I never went to Sunday school. But I was given the Children's Bible at a really young age with all the gory pictures of John The Bapstiste I think with his head on a platter. Probably had something to do with it. :o
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