AMT: Firearms Education Class

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  • Posts: 9,446
    69charger wrote:
    Then you'd probably want a shotgun. Shot for birds, snakes, home invasion. Slugs for larger game taken at a distance. Just practice and get used to the recoil.

    Ok, so aside from a shotgun, is there anything else? What about a .22?
    I guess there would be a greater degree of accuracy required for a .22?
    I just can't see me being able to get comfortable with a shotgun which seems like it would defeat the purpose really.

    I guess I'm thinking, knowing myself, that I'd want something that would require a level of proficiency from me, that is realitively light weight.
    NOPE!!!

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  • Posts: 1,045
    Jeanie wrote:
    Ok, so aside from a shotgun, is there anything else? What about a .22?
    I guess there would be a greater degree of accuracy required for a .22?
    I just can't see me being able to get comfortable with a shotgun which seems like it would defeat the purpose really.

    I guess I'm thinking, knowing myself, that I'd want something that would require a level of proficiency from me, that is realitively light weight.

    Not every shotgun has harsh recoil. You may have had experiences with 12 gauges that have scared you but a .410 is a perfect low recoil/light weight shotgun.

    .22's are great for shooting squirrels and other varmints at less than 100 yards. Not great for stopping power or taking larger game. No matter what gun you choose you should practice and become proficient with it.
  • West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    69charger wrote:
    Solve the social problems.

    I think this is ultimately what needs to be done regardless if you are anti-gun or pro-gun.

    The divide between classes IMO is the root of the senseless gun violence, and almost all violence for that matter.
    NERDS!
  • Posts: 1,045
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Hardly analogous. Owning an umbrella can't create rainfall. Owning a gun can create gun crime.

    Owning a gun can save your life and you are 80 times more likely to use it in self defense than become a victim of gun crime.

    You people are scared of a potential situation far less likely to kill you than being given the wrong medicine by your own doctor. If you are living in that kind of fear you better not ever drive a car or go near a road because that has a far greater chance of happening. Never ever fall down either because falls account for more deaths than firearms as well.

    Seriously, whos' really living in fear here?

    Besides which, it's a ridiculous argument. "I bought this trebuchet. It's not that I'm scared of enemy camps from the Middle Ages, but boy howdy, I'm prepared to siege 'em when the time comes." You don't need the trebuchet, and you don't need the gun.

    If you lived in the middle ages you would!

    Fortunately for me, I get to decide what I do and do not need. Again, we can keep having this circular discussion on whether or not people should own guns but it will go nowhere.

    Seems Jeanie is the only one getting anything out of this as I had intended.
  • Posts: 9,446
    69charger wrote:
    Not every shotgun has harsh recoil. You may have had experiences with 12 gauges that have scared you but a .410 is a perfect low recoil/light weight gun.

    .22's are great for shooting squirrels and other varmints at less than 100 yards. No matter what gun you choose you should practice and become proficient with it.

    It's not really about being scared of the recoil and more to do with knowing I don't like how they discharge. I wouldn't consider getting a gun and not learning all I need to know to use it correctly. My understand of shotguns is that they spray pellets everywhere and do maximum injury but wouldn't be a "quick" or "clean" shot unless used at very close range and require much less proficiency. Given that I'm of two minds regarding owning a gun, to me a shotgun doesn't really come into the equation.

    Supposing I ever needed to discharge a gun at a living target I'd prefer something that required me to be very certain and very accurate.

    Does that make sense?
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • Posts: 4,984
    Jeanie wrote:
    It's not really about being scared of the recoil and more to do with knowing I don't like how they discharge. I wouldn't consider getting a gun and not learning all I need to know to use it correctly. My understand of shotguns is that they spray pellets everywhere and do maximum injury but wouldn't be a "quick" or "clean" shot unless used at very close range and require much less proficiency Given that I'm of two minds regarding owning a gun, to me a shotgun doesn't really come into the equation.

    Supposing I ever needed to discharge a gun at a living target I'd prefer something that required me to be very certain and very accurate.

    Does that make sense?
    get a .38


    or 9mm.

    if your looking for a handgun.


    if your looking for a rifle, get a .22., semi auto ruger with scope, they are cheap and I think they sell em at wall mart for a few hundred bucks. you can hit a birds head at a few dozen yards, and empty 15 rounds or so in 3 or 4 seconds.
  • Posts: 1,045
    Jeanie wrote:
    It's not really about being scared of the recoil and more to do with knowing I don't like how they discharge. I wouldn't consider getting a gun and not learning all I need to know to use it correctly. My understand of shotguns is that they spray pellets everywhere and do maximum injury but wouldn't be a "quick" or "clean" shot unless used at very close range and require much less proficiency Given that I'm of two minds regarding owning a gun, to me a shotgun doesn't really come into the equation.

    Supposing I ever needed to discharge a gun at a living target I'd prefer something that required me to be very certain and very accurate.

    Does that make sense?

    Sure! Then it all depends on what you will primarily be killing. A bolt action rifle in .308 Winchester is a good "all purpose" gun. It is a fairly standard caliber for taking deer and other mid-sized non-dangerous game. A nice setup might be a Remington 700 BDL http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_BDL.asp with a variable 3-9 power scope http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/ultralight-riflescopes/vx-ii-3-9x33mm-ultralight/ The BDL even comes with iron sights if you prefer.
  • Posts: 4,984
    69charger wrote:
    Sure! Then it all depends on what you will primarily be killing. A bolt action rifle in .308 Winchester is a good "all purpose" gun. It is a fairly standard caliber for taking deer and other mid-sized non-dangerous game. A nice setup might be a Remington 700 BDL http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_BDL.asp with a variable 3-9 power scope http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/ultralight-riflescopes/vx-ii-3-9x33mm-ultralight/ The BDL even comes with iron sights if you prefer.
    a .308 would knock me on my ass.



    just sayin....
  • Posts: 1,045
    Commy wrote:
    a .308 would knock me on my ass.



    just sayin....

    You are kidding me right? .308 knock you on your ass?!

    Are you Verne Troyer or something?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxNzkAYh9_Y&feature=related
  • Posts: 4,984
    69charger wrote:
    You are kidding me right? .308 knock you on your ass?!

    Are you Verne Troyer or something?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxNzkAYh9_Y&feature=related
    not verne no.


    I used to hunt with a .270 Rem. .270. that's all you need to take out a deer or a cat. Even an elk. And if your good you could take a bear out with it, not advised, but still.

    a .306 is enough to drop a bear. a fucking big bear. any bear.

    a .308 is for people who want to not just kill what they're shooting at but to make sure all the trees and bushes behind it drop too.


    All I'm sayin is a .308 is a very large caliber hunting rifle. I'm not even sure if they make a bigger caliber.
  • Posts: 1,045
    Commy wrote:
    not verne no.


    I used to hunt with a .270 Rem. .270. that's all you need to take out a deer or a cat. Even an elk. And if your good you could take a bear out with it, not advised, but still.

    a .306 is enough to drop a bear. a fucking big bear. any bear.

    a .308 is for people who want to not just kill what they're shooting at but to make sure all the trees and bushes behind it drop too.


    All I'm sayin is a .308 is a very large caliber hunting rifle. I'm not even sure if they make a bigger caliber.

    You cannot be serious?! Are you being serious? "Not even sure they make a bigger caliber" "a .308 is for people who want to not just kill what they're shooting at but to make sure all the trees and bushes behind it drop too." Unless you are kidding I may have to post a link to this thread on Ar15.com. They will have a good laugh. Also please link me to any modern firearm chambered in .306?
  • Posts: 9,446
    69charger wrote:
    Sure! Then it all depends on what you will primarily be killing. A bolt action rifle in .308 Winchester is a good "all purpose" gun. It is a fairly standard caliber for taking deer and other mid-sized non-dangerous game. A nice setup might be a Remington 700 BDL http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_BDL.asp with a variable 3-9 power scope http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/ultralight-riflescopes/vx-ii-3-9x33mm-ultralight/ The BDL even comes with iron sights if you prefer.

    Thank you charger. :)

    I have to go out now but I'll check these links out after and get back to you with more questions I'm sure. :D
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • Posts: 1,045
    Commy wrote:
    I'm not even sure if they make a bigger caliber.

    I own this rifle http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=50A1B&Category=0406c9ff-539d-4b4c-ae1f-d045b91324c3 it is the Armalite AR-50 chambered in .50 BMG. The gun weighs 35lbs and can hit a target the size of a cantalope at 1000m.

    http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a20/Tshack/?action=view&current=MVI_2498.flv

    Are you certain you are familiar with firearms?
  • Posts: 4,984
    69charger wrote:
    You cannot be serious?! Are you being serious? "Not even sure they make a bigger caliber" "a .308 is for people who want to not just kill what they're shooting at but to make sure all the trees and bushes behind it drop too." Unless you are kidding I may have to post a link to this thread on Ar15.com. They will have a good laugh. Also please link me to any modern firearm chambered in .306?



    My cousin uses his hounds to tree bears and lions and shit, and that's what he uses, .308, I believe.

    Again, all I'm sayin is a .308 is a very large caliber hunting rifle.

    306? 30.6? thirty ought six? that's what I was referring to.
  • Posts: 4,984
    69charger wrote:
    I own this rifle http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=50A1B&Category=0406c9ff-539d-4b4c-ae1f-d045b91324c3 it is the Armalite AR-50 chambered in .50 BMG. The gun weighs 35lbs and can hit a target the size of a cantalope at 1000m.

    http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a20/Tshack/?action=view&current=MVI_2498.flv

    Are you certain you are familiar with firearms?
    no I am not familiar with firearms. My only education stems from the fact that I grew up in Idaho. which actually accounts for something.

    But I do know that a .308 is a pretty fucking big gun.
  • Posts: 4,984
    Commy wrote:
    no I am not familiar with firearms. My only education stems from the fact that I grew up in Idaho. which actually accounts for something.

    But I do know that a .308 is a pretty fucking big gun.


    And dude. They don't sell .50 cal sniper rifles to fucking joe hunter.
  • Posts: 1,045
    Commy wrote:
    My cousin uses his hounds to tree bears and lions and shit, and that's what he uses, .308, I believe.

    Again, all I'm sayin is a .308 is a very large caliber hunting rifle.

    306? 30.6? thirty ought six? that's what I was referring to.

    Your cousin is either a badass who knows exactly what he is doing hunting these animals or he is an accident waiting to happen. On a scale of 1-10, 1 being the .22lr and 10 being the .50 BMG I'd say the .308 is a 5. It is a mid power cartridge and on the low end of what you'd want to be using on dangerous game such as lions or bears.

    Step up to the some of the .30-.40 caliber magnum rounds or some of the "safari" .458 Lott .416 Rigby and I'd say your good to go for bear and lion.

    http://www.top40-charts.info/?title=List_of_rifle_cartridges

    Educate yourself.
  • Posts: 1,045
    Commy wrote:
    And dude. They don't sell .50 cal sniper rifles to fucking joe hunter.

    You can by any number of ".50 cal sniper rifles" just as easily as buying a .22! You have to be toying with me or you are very uninformed. I am sitting 10 feet from one as I type!! I can send you pics if you'd like.

    Buy one online! http://www.impactguns.com/store/ARM-50B.html
  • Posts: 4,984
    69charger wrote:
    You can by any number of ".50 cal sniper rifles" just as easily as buying a .22! You have to be toying with me or you are very uninformed. I am sitting 10 feet from one as I type!! I can send you pics if you'd like.

    Buy one online! http://www.impactguns.com/store/ARM-50B.html
    I had no idea.
  • Posts: 3,159
    My Dad started teaching me firearms when I was 12. By the time I was 14, I was learning basic CQB (Close Quarters Battle). I was learning to properly switch between rifle and pistol during a firefight, how to coordinate target selection with a partner, double-tapping with a headshot, using proper ballistics depending on the terrain...etc.

    You'd think that I would've massacred 100 innocent people after losing my job. But, nope, here I am. If anything, I have a deep respect for firearms and a greater disgust for people who abuse their right to own them.
    reigning champion

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825

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