AMT: Firearms Education Class

dunkman

eyedclaar wrote:

Give a man a weapon and you know his limits. Take his weapons away and who knows what he comes up with. Making bombs is a lot easier than making guns.

they took our weapons off us in Scotland... whats your point?

4 kids die per day as a result of a handgun in the US... now i'm fucking awesome at using google, but i cant find a stat about "number of kids who die per day as a result of bomb making incomptence" that comes close to that figure

eyedclaar

dunkman wrote:

they took our weapons off us in Scotland... whats your point?

4 kids die per day as a result of a handgun in the US... now i'm fucking awesome at using google, but i cant find a stat about "number of kids who die per day as a result of bomb making incomptence" that comes close to that figure

My point is that right now all the kids are killing themselves with guns, but if we actually managed to take all the guns away, who knows what lethal devices people would come up with.

We're a violent people over here, we aren't going to stop if someone takes our guns away.

dunkman

eyedclaar wrote:

My point is that right now all the kids are killing themselves with guns, but if we actually managed to take all the guns away, who knows what lethal devices people would come up with.

ok we have no handguns in the UK, or Aus, or NZ, or Japan, France, Iceland, Germany, Spain, etc etc... please please please show me a link or a stat that shows me that since those countries above banned or tightly regulated guns that kids were now in dying as a result of some other 'homemade lethal device'

see 4 kids die per day as a result of a handgun... mostly by accident and suicides... sure some kids would still die in accidents of some other kind, and of course some kids would still commit suicide... but it would be far fewer.

I dont buy the whole 'they'll research how to make bombs' argument... kids shoot up schools in america because they can and the guns are within easy reach... in the UK before 1996 people could own handguns.. now they cant... school bombings using techniques discovered on http://www.makeyourownbomb.org havent materialised...

Collin

dunkman wrote:

ok we have no handguns in the UK, or Aus, or NZ, or Japan, France, Iceland, Germany, Spain, etc etc... please please please show me a link or a stat that shows me that since those countries above banned or tightly regulated guns that kids were now in dying as a result of some other 'homemade lethal device'

see 4 kids die per day as a result of a handgun... mostly by accident and suicides... sure some kids would still die in accidents of some other kind, and of course some kids would still commit suicide... but it would be far fewer.

I dont buy the whole 'they'll research how to make bombs' argument... kids shoot up schools in america because they can and the guns are within easy reach... in the UK before 1996 people could own handguns.. now they cant... school bombings using techniques discovered on http://www.makeyourownbomb.org havent materialised...

I guess the answer is in the second part of his post. Americans are violent. They're set on killing and they'll kill with or without guns. So maybe American kids would try to make their own guns and bombs, you know, so they can get their fix.

But I have a hard time believing that. I'm not really for a ban, but there's a serious problem with guns in the US and arguments like 'kids will make their own guns or bombs' don't offer a solution, it's a way of saying we like the status quo, let's keep it this way.

Like you said, there are plenty of countries where guns are not easily accessible, mine is one. Kids don't make their own guns here. I'm not saying there's no violence because there definitely is, all I'm saying is I'd rather face a knife than a gun and a school massacre is kind of hard to accomplish with a knife, or even with two.

eyedclaar

dunkman wrote:

ok we have no handguns in the UK, or Aus, or NZ, or Japan, France, Iceland, Germany, Spain, etc etc... please please please show me a link or a stat that shows me that since those countries above banned or tightly regulated guns that kids were now in dying as a result of some other 'homemade lethal device'

see 4 kids die per day as a result of a handgun... mostly by accident and suicides... sure some kids would still die in accidents of some other kind, and of course some kids would still commit suicide... but it would be far fewer.

I dont buy the whole 'they'll research how to make bombs' argument... kids shoot up schools in america because they can and the guns are within easy reach... in the UK before 1996 people could own handguns.. now they cant... school bombings using techniques discovered on http://www.makeyourownbomb.org havent materialised...

Like I said, I'm talking about America here. I know a bunch of people who made pipe bombs as kids, before they were allowed to own and use guns. Making them is easy. I don't know for sure what would happen, but I know Americans aren't giving up on owning weapons even if they are outlawed.

I actually support gun control despite owning a lot of guns. I'm not sure how to make it work, but in theory, getting guns out of the hands of most Americans seems like a good idea. I'm just not sure what the consequences would be or how it could be enforced.

Strangest Tribe

dunkman wrote:

man, you should have totally been in the A-Team.


you can make a gun out of those materials... i bet 99% of US gun owners wouldnt have a clue how to.

You're saying 99% of people that own guns can't conceptualize how they work???

That's an amazing statement.

eyedclaar

Strangest Tribe wrote:

You're saying 99% of people that own guns can't conceptualize how they work???

That's an amazing statement.

Yeah, it isn't exactly rocket surgery.

Jeremy1012

dunkman wrote:

ok we have no handguns in the UK, or Aus, or NZ, or Japan, France, Iceland, Germany, Spain, etc etc... please please please show me a link or a stat that shows me that since those countries above banned or tightly regulated guns that kids were now in dying as a result of some other 'homemade lethal device'

see 4 kids die per day as a result of a handgun... mostly by accident and suicides... sure some kids would still die in accidents of some other kind, and of course some kids would still commit suicide... but it would be far fewer.

I dont buy the whole 'they'll research how to make bombs' argument... kids shoot up schools in america because they can and the guns are within easy reach... in the UK before 1996 people could own handguns.. now they cant... school bombings using techniques discovered on http://www.makeyourownbomb.org havent materialised...

Listen to this man, he speaks the gospel.

For a change

Collin

Strangest Tribe wrote:

You're saying 99% of people that own guns can't conceptualize how they work???

That's an amazing statement.

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=305690

eyedclaar

Collin wrote:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=305690

No, no, we're just politically, socially, economically, and book-learned ignorant. We know how to make weapons.

Strangest Tribe

Collin wrote:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=305690

These people are why I'm glad we have a 2nd amendment.
Imagine if they were the majority and we couldn't own a firearm...can you say Nazi Germany

dunkman

Strangest Tribe wrote:

You're saying 99% of people that own guns can't conceptualize how they work???

That's an amazing statement.

conceptualisation of a how a gun works and actually making one are 2 different things. i can conceptualise how the atom bomb works, but i wouldnt be able to make one.

amazing statements are my thing...

dunkman

Strangest Tribe wrote:

These people are why I'm glad we have a 2nd amendment.
Imagine if they were the majority and we couldn't own a firearm...can you say Nazi Germany

you can say it but it would be nothing like it... not unless the US is fond of rounding up 6 million people and killing them?

Collin

Strangest Tribe wrote:

These people are why I'm glad we have a 2nd amendment.
Imagine if they were the majority and we couldn't own a firearm...can you say Nazi Germany

I can't imagine that. Because you all know how to make guns and bombs.

Who cares if they take away your guns? Just make a new one. Perhaps that's the solution. Anyone who can make a gun, can keep it. That should reduce the number of guns in the US significantly.

Strangest Tribe

dunkman wrote:

you can say it but it would be nothing like it... not unless the US is fond of rounding up 6 million people and killing them?

IDK...I see a lot of hatred toward liberals in this country.....

I'm sure the Germans didn't see it coming either

dunkman

Strangest Tribe wrote:

IDK...I see a lot of hatred toward liberals in this country.....

I'm sure the Germans didn't see it coming either

if you seriously think that your countries people are capable of rounding up 6million liberals and gassing them then i'm afraid i cant take any more of your posts seriously.

why do you people live in such fear?

fear of being raped, burgled, fear of having 2nd amendments removed, fear of liberals, right wingers,.. do you people leave your house?

Strangest Tribe

dunkman wrote:

conceptualisation of a how a gun works and actually making one are 2 different things. i can conceptualise how the atom bomb works, but i wouldnt be able to make one.

amazing statements are my thing...

you never made a potato gun as a kid?

btw....the Atom bomb is not a good comparison,,,,

it's easier to make a gun than it is to make a bicycle,,,it's the context... I can conceptualize making an airplane since it's already been invented and the idea is not farfetched... it would just take me a few years to make a good airplane... I could probably make a pretty decent gun in a few days or weeks....

my point is the technology won't just disappear because you would like to "wish-away" the handguns....this is the simple fact of the matter....

As much as I believe alcoholic beverages are way more detrimental to society than firearms I'm not so simple-minded to think that banning alcohol would be the solution either. Afterall I think 99% of the world's alcoholics wouldn't know how to make beer or whiskey but if you take their booze away I bet they would figure it out before the weekend;)

Collin

Strangest Tribe wrote:

you never made a potato gun as a kid?

btw....the Atom bomb is not a good comparison,,,,

it's easier to make a gun than it is to make a bicycle,,,it's the context... I can conceptualize making an airplane since it's already been invented and the idea is not farfetched... it would just take me a few years to make a good airplane... I could probably make a pretty decent gun in a few days or weeks....

my point is the technology won't just disappear because you would like to "wish-away" the handguns....this is the simple fact of the matter....

As much as I believe alcoholic beverages are way more detrimental to society than firearms I'm not so simple-minded to think that banning alcohol would be the solution either. Afterall I think 99% of the world's alcoholics wouldn't know how to make beer or whiskey but if you take their booze away I bet they would figure it out before the weekend;)

Again with the banning

Strangest Tribe

dunkman wrote:

if you seriously think that your countries people are capable of rounding up 6million liberals and gassing them then i'm afraid i cant take any more of your posts seriously.

Well.... I don't really either but wouldn't it be easier to do if the population was disarmed?

Is it that hard to understand?

dunkman wrote:

do you people live in such fear?

fear of being raped, burgled, fear of having 2nd amendments removed, fear of liberals, right wingers,.. do you people leave your house?

I'm not afraid...I'm angry.

don't confuse fear with anger

dunkman

Strangest Tribe wrote:

you never made a potato gun as a kid?

btw....the Atom bomb is not a good comparison,,,,

it's easier to make a gun than it is to make a bicycle,,,it's the context... I can conceptualize making an airplane since it's already been invented and the idea is not farfetched... it would just take me a few years to make a good airplane... I could probably make a pretty decent gun in a few days or weeks....

my point is the technology won't just disappear because you would like to "wish-away" the handguns....this is the simple fact of the matter....

As much as I believe alcoholic beverages are way more detrimental to society than firearms I'm not so simple-minded to think that banning alcohol would be the solution either. Afterall I think 99% of the world's alcoholics wouldn't know how to make beer or whiskey but if you take their booze away I bet they would figure it out before the weekend;)

you've raised a good point with the bold bit above... most gun killings are usually not pre-planned... now i get pissed off quite often, but even at my maddest i wouldnt think to myself "i'll show that fucker, i'll build me a gun and in about 2 weeks time i'll go back and shoot him with it"... but if i had a gun in my drawer and i was angry enough, perhaps, just perhaps, i might use it and regret my actions forever?

the point is... America has a problem with guns. simple fact. you also appear to have a fear of a lot of things... makes me thankful i live where i live...

heres something i once did here, i was drunk and i walked into what i thought was my friends house... it wasnt... it was the house 3 doors down!! if that was in America i might be dead... as it was in Scotland the guy got a fright and then sent me on my way