AMT: Firearms Education Class

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This thread made me have nightmares last night, and wake up in fear with every little bump I heard. (Normally that doesn't happen.)

RolandTD20Kdrummer

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I hunt with a flame thrower if I can, kills and cooks my food all in one shot.

I like to use a snare net so I can go in for the neck bite. It doesn't get any fresher...

Jeremy1012

brokenarrow wrote:

and,.... what a horrible thing to write to someone

What do you expect from people with a mentality like that though? I'm sure as hell not living my life feeling like a victim so I don't know what 69charger is on about. Sounds to me like he's the one living in fear. I refuse to be so fear-stricken that I'll live my life waiting for the moment when I have to take someone else's.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Jeremy1012 wrote:

and,....do you expect from people with a mentality like that though? I'm sure as hell not living my life feeling like a victim so I don't know what 69charger is on about. Sounds to me like he's the one living in fear. I refuse to be so fear-stricken that I'll live my life waiting for the moment when I have to take someone else's.

Exactly. He says we're living in fear of guns... but he's afraid of absolutely everything else, which is why he clutches his pea-shooter so tightly.

brokenarrow

Jeremy1012 wrote:

and,....do you expect from people with a mentality like that though? I'm sure as hell not living my life feeling like a victim so I don't know what 69charger is on about. Sounds to me like he's the one living in fear. I refuse to be so fear-stricken that I'll live my life waiting for the moment when I have to take someone else's.

I agree...

I also lived most of my life in a major city (ny) and never once felt like I was going to be a victim. It's a matter of being observant and knowing what to avoid. I lived there for 30+ years and didn't feel like I needed a gun, as a matter of fact, I didn't even know one person who owned one (yonkers/bronx) unless they were a cop.
There seems to be so much information gleaned about 'urban areas', if people haven't lived in the heart of it, then they don't understand it. You have to live it to know what it's about. To understand the neighborhoods, the people, the families...
And this wasn't in the Guiliani 42nd street/tourist attraction days. There were certain things/places you avoided, simple as that.


the main thing that has bothered me about this thread is reading about how responsible people should be if owning/purchasing firearms, and yet that link still sits there for purchasing them online.
it's so fucked up to me.

Jeremy1012

brokenarrow wrote:

I agree...

I also lived most of my life in a major city (ny) and never once felt like I was going to be a victim. It's a matter of being observant and knowing what to avoid. I lived there for 30+ years and didn't feel like I needed a gun, as a matter of fact, I didn't even know one person who owned one (yonkers/bronx) unless they were a cop.
There seems to be so much information gleaned about 'urban areas', if people haven't lived in the heart of it, then they don't understand it. You have to live it to know what it's about. To understand the neighborhoods, the people, the families...
And this wasn't in the Guiliani 42nd street/tourist attraction days. There were certain things/places you avoided, simple as that.


the main thing that has bothered me about this thread is reading about how responsible people should be if owning/purchasing firearms, and yet that link still sits there for purchasing them online.
it's so fucked up to me.

YES YES YES! This is what pisses me off.

I can understand the need for a gun, occupationally speaking, if you live on some ranch in the sticks in Wyoming or something but when these people who do then talk about the dangers of society and how they need protection I just want to say "for fuckssakes, you live in the middle of nowhere, I live smack bang in South London, murder capital of the country right now and I don't have a gun, nor do I want one, nor do I need one."

Then they tell us we just aren't as committed as them, to notions of family loyalty etc, as if being Rambo makes you a loving family man. I tell you something, people that bring their kids up in a house with guns make me sick. Waving around a gun doesn't make you a bigger man than someone who doesn't. If someone threatened my family on my property I'd be prepared to rip them apart with my bare hands. Don't need a gun for that.

brokenarrow

Jeremy1012 wrote:

YES YES YES! This is what pisses me off.

I can understand the need for a gun, occupationally speaking, if you live on some ranch in the sticks in Wyoming or something but when these people who do then talk about the dangers of society and how they need protection I just want to say "for fuckssakes, you live in the middle of nowhere, I live smack bang in South London, murder capital of the country right now and I don't have a gun, nor do I want one, nor do I need one."

Then they tell us we just aren't as committed as them, to notions of family loyalty etc, as if being Rambo makes you a loving family man. I tell you something, people that bring their kids up in a house with guns make me sick. Waving around a gun doesn't make you a bigger man than someone who doesn't. If someone threatened my family on my property I'd be prepared to rip them apart with my bare hands. Don't need a gun for that.

Yes, and I have that mama bear intuitiveness about me also and I wouldn't need a gun believe you me if anyone fucked with one of my kids.



I was thinking just now, about growing up in the city, having not owned a gun or any other weapon ...
the thing that kept me going, was a razor tongue and very fast feet if need be.


works like a fucking charm.

Nice talking to you London!
I need to leave this thread, it's making my blood pressure rise and it's making me want to smoke another cigarette.

Anon

Jeanie wrote:

It's not really about being scared of the recoil and more to do with knowing I don't like how they discharge.

I'll just tell everyone that Aussies are so badass we don't need guns, and not to fuck with us. Then i'll show them this. Think this will work?



http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=01NHcTM5IA4

Rhinocerous Surprise

Pj_Gurl wrote:

I'll just tell everyone that Aussies are so badass we don't need guns, and not to fuck with us. Then i'll show them this. Think this will work?



http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=01NHcTM5IA4

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=knifey+spoony

Jeanie

Pj_Gurl wrote:

I'll just tell everyone that Aussies are so badass we don't need guns, and not to fuck with us. Then i'll show them this. Think this will work?



http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=01NHcTM5IA4

I can't watch youtube from this computer. :(

I take it it's a cartoon version of Mick Dundee and the knife thingy though?

I guess (mostly) erradicating guns from the culture has made us have to be a little more ingeneous in some situations and let's face it, most of us can't be bothered with guns now because it's such a pain in the arse the way it has become but I do know that alot of people in rural settings seem to have one. Not sure what they use them for but then I have no idea what we need a second pump for or why it's imperative to have half the bloody tools we have down the shed. :rolleyes:

It astounds me though why Australia keeps getting held up as this model of non violence based on us not having guns anymore when knife related violence has gone up so much since the buy back. AND for all the bloody good the buy back did to mental health services WHICH is where the real problem lies anyway IMO. It's not the average gun owner that is the problem as far as I can see, it's the nutters. Or, if you're from Victoria, the underworld or the cops.

69charger

brokenarrow wrote:

IWith that thought in mind,...charger, you claim to be trying to educate people on the owning and use of firearms, there has been a great deal of discussion about the responsibility that is necessary for one to own such powerful weapons. And yet you go and post a link to purchase firearms online? To complete and utter strangers? Seems to me that is completely irresponsible. Not to mention the fact that this is an all ages message board, meaning minors frequent it if they happen to like Pearl Jam...

You are reacting out of fear because you have no real knowledge of how the process works. Buying a firearm off the internet is no different from buying one in a gun shop. You still go through the NICS check. Nothing is different except that you avoid sales tax if you purchase out of state. So what's so scary about that?

and to be posting links for the purchasing of firearms on a Pearl Jam message board of all places to boot?

cripes, this is mind boggling to me.

Sorry I forgot that everyone must go along with the hive mindset on this board. So much for freedom of expression and being open minded! Christ!

Why don't you just tell me who to vote for too!

dunkman

in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...

in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms

now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!

we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!


please explain?

69charger

dunkman wrote:

in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...

in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms

now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!

we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!


please explain?

We have better aim?

You say only 23 deaths by handguns. What about other types of firearms? Do those figures include suicides? Accidental deaths? Are you comparing apples to apples?

evenkat

dunkman wrote:

in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...

in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms

now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!

we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!


please explain?

No, we should have had 115 deaths to your 23.

prytoj

evenkat wrote:

No, we should have had 115 deaths to your 23.

rather than taking our liberty to protect ourselves,
I believe we should consider mandatory gun safety for highschoolers.

much like we have drivers ed and sex ed in school, we could also
have firearm safety, a curriculum which includes respect for life issues.

The fewest violent crimes (per 100,000 ppl) happen in New Hampshire, in which something like 90% of all homeowners also own guns.

Violent death has more to do with lack of respect for human life than anything else. Maybe we should be dealing with that first.

dunkman

69charger wrote:

We have better aim?

You say only 23 deaths by handguns. What about other types of firearms? Do those figures include suicides? Accidental deaths? Are you comparing apples to apples?

apples with apples.

Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994:

United States 14.24;
Scotland 0.54;
England and Wales 0.41;



i could go on and on



a Professors wise words

"It's not as if a 19-year-old in the United States is more evil than a 19-year-old in Australia—there's no evidence for that," Hemenway explains. "But a 19-year-old in America can very easily get a pistol. That's very hard to do in Australia. So when there's a bar fight in Australia, somebody gets punched out or hit with a beer bottle. Here, they get shot."

In general, guns don't induce people to commit crimes. "What guns do is make crimes lethal," says Hemenway. They also make suicide attempts lethal: about 60 percent of suicides in America involve guns. "If you try to kill yourself with drugs, there's a 2 to 3 percent chance of dying," he explains. "With guns, the chance is 90 percent."

and in answer to the 'should we ban cars, they kill more people' argument... which is stupid anyway seeing as cars were not designed to kill each other... he says

Gun deaths fall into three categories: homicides, suicides, and accidental killings. In 2001, about 30,000 people died from gunfire in the United States. Set this against the 43,000 annual deaths from motor-vehicle accidents to recognize what startling carnage comes out of a barrel. The comparison is especially telling because cars "are a way of life," as Hemenway explains. "People use cars all day, every day—and 'motor vehicles' include trucks. How many of us use guns?"