I live on a farm where a gun is a necessary tool just like a pitchfork, electric fence, or motion detector lighting.
I have to have a gun... and not just a rifle or shotgun either....numerous times I've had to scare off coyotes that come up all the way to the back door....
If you're not packing you're a fool....
I'm willing to bet not one of these anti-gun types lives on a farm.
Do you know what it's like to witness your family dog torn apart by a pack of coyotes in your own backyard where your children were just playing a few hours earlier?
Do you eat eggs? Drink milk? Eat hamburgers or steak?
Where I live we protect our chickens and cattle from predators with guns.
Your cousin is either a badass who knows exactly what he is doing hunting these animals or he is an accident waiting to happen. On a scale of 1-10, 1 being the .22lr and 10 being the .50 BMG I'd say the .308 is a 5. It is a mid power cartridge and on the low end of what you'd want to be using on dangerous game such as lions or bears.
Step up to the some of the .30-.40 caliber magnum rounds or some of the "safari" .458 Lott .416 Rigby and I'd say your good to go for bear and lion.
yeah, I just called him, he wasn't home. But I'm almost positive that's what he uses, .308, but when he showed it to me he was like 'this will take out anything type of mentality'. So maybe it wasn't .308. When I talk to him, I'll let you know.
eh, just to clarify, he gets paid to tree animals for people, lions, bears. And when he goes out, they get what they are looking for, its almost guaranteed for the clients. as for himself, when he shoots something for himself, he brings it home. I'll try to get some pics from him, he's lost more than a few dogs to bears and cats, and has more trophy buck antler horns than he knows what to do with. Think he uses bloodhounds? or did a anyway, not sure what he uses now.
But I have to leave this thread for a while...its reverting me back to my redneck state
It's funny these anti-gun types will protest guns so vehemetly but they'll defend the booze.
My dad used to get drunk and beat the shit outta me, my brother or my mom....
he never used a gun on us, he used his fists
I'm sure alcoholism is a far bigger problem than guns.
Really, i'm sorry that happened to you.
My older brother was killed by a drunk driver 4 years ago. I adored him, he was my world. Our family is still broken. Things will never be the same.
I don't defend the booze, and i'll still never use a gun under any circumstances.
You'd think that I would've massacred 100 innocent people after losing my job. But, nope, here I am. If anything, I have a deep respect for firearms and a greater disgust for people who abuse their right to own them.
yeah, I just called him, he wasn't home. But I'm almost positive that's what he uses, .308, but when he showed it to me he was like 'this will take out anything type of mentality'. So maybe it wasn't .308. When I talk to him, I'll let you know.
eh, just to clarify, he gets paid to tree animals for people, lions, bears. And when he goes out, they get what they are looking for, its almost guaranteed for the clients. as for himself, when he shoots something for himself, he brings it home. I'll try to get some pics from him, he's lost more than a few dogs to bears and cats, and has more trophy buck antler horns than he knows what to do with. Think he uses bloodhounds? or did a anyway, not sure what he uses now.
A .22 could theoretically kill anything given surgically precise shot placement.
If you are talking mountain lions and not african lions then yes, a .308 is adequate but I'd still want something that I know would kill them with the first shot and stop a charge in it's tracks. I would not be hunting even large black bear with a .308 but it doesn't mean that people don't kill them with bow and arrow all the time.
Let's just say that the .308 is not the preferred cartridge for those types of game.
But I have to leave this thread for a while...its reverting me back to my redneck state
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being in touch with a side of you that has learned the ultimate in personal responsibility, that being the means to actually sustain yourself and the ones you love if need be.
Nothing wrong with being a redneck. They will be the ones that survive when all of our beautiful machines come crashing down. They also live a far 'greener' life than a lot of the 'tree huggers' in the cities.
Country Boy Can Survive - Hank Williams, Jr.
The preacher man says it’s the end of time
And the Mississippi River she’s a goin’ dry
The interest is up and the Stock Markets down
And you only get mugged
If you go down town
I live back in the woods, you see
A woman and the kids, and the dogs and me
I got a shotgun rifle and a 4-wheel drive
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
I can plow a field all day long
I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn
We make our own whiskey and our own smoke too
Ain’t too many things these ole boys can’t do
We grow good ole tomatoes and homemade wine
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
Because you can’t starve us out
And you cant makes us run
Cause one-of- ‘em old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn
We came from the West Virginia coalmines
And the Rocky Mountains and the and the western skies
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
I had a good friend in New York City
He never called me by my name, just hillbilly
My grandpa taught me how to live off the land
And his taught him to be a businessman
He used to send me pictures of the Broadway nights
And I’d send him some homemade wine
But he was killed by a man with a switchblade knife
For 43 dollars my friend lost his life
Id love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes
And shoot him with my old 45
Cause a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
Cause you can’t starve us out and you can’t make us run
Cause one-of- ‘em old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn
We’re from North California and south Alabam
And little towns all around this land
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
if your looking for a rifle, get a .22., semi auto ruger with scope, they are cheap and I think they sell em at wall mart for a few hundred bucks. you can hit a birds head at a few dozen yards, and empty 15 rounds or so in 3 or 4 seconds.
As far as I'm aware it's practically impossible to own a handgun here and all kinds of special permits are required for civilians to own one. I'm also fairly certain that supposing a civilian did fulfill all the requirements of gaining the special permit, a handgun is only allowed to be housed at a gun club or discharged at a gun club or shooting range by civilians. (not 100% certain of the law there but basically if you live in Australia and you are a law abiding civilian dismiss the idea of owning a hand gun)
The only people that have hand guns in this country are police, military, specially trained security and criminals.
With regard to any weapon in this country, all semi automatic weapons are illegal unless under special circumstances and most have been handed back to the government as part of the buy back scheme that was instigated after the Port Arthur Massacre and destroyed. Whilst I could get a permit for a .22 rifle it would be single fire. I can't remember the term but basically you'd have to load the bullet, fire and then reload to fire again.
I have shot with a .22 semi automatic and if they were still legal in this country it would probably be my gun of choice but those days are over.
Thanks though commy, I didn't notice your reply before I left earlier.
why does the US have one of the highest crime rates in the world, with its very liberal gun laws?
Sir John Hope (4th Earl of Hopetoun) His statue outside The Royal Bank of
Scoland office, Dundas Street,
Edinburgh.
1765 - 1823 Soldier. Born at Hopetoun House near Edinburgh. Hope served at
the Battle of Alexandria (1801) and led the First Division in Spain during
the Peninsular War (1808 - 14). Under the command of General Sir John Moore
(1761 - 1809), the British Army was faced with defeat in 1808 with the
French having taken Madrid and advanced towards them. The British executed a
winter retreat under terrible conditions across the mountains from Astorga
to the coast at Corunna, with the intention of escaping by sea. However, the
French attacked with greatly superior numbers and a desperate battle
ensured, but the British were eventually triumphant and the French suffered
massive casualties. Hope distinguished himself in this battle and, when
Moore was killed, Hope heroically took command of the British Army. Sir
David Baird of Newbyth (1757 - 1829) was severely injured in the same
battle. Hope's successful evacuation of his army earned him a knighthood in
his own right from King George III. The Peninsular War ended with the
capture and isolation of Napoleon on the Island of Elba.
Hope died in Paris and is remembered by various monuments, including large
Hopetoun Monuments in Fife and East Lothian. His statue is to be found in
front of Dundas House in Edinburgh's St Andrew's Square, Hope having been a
governor of the Royal Bank of Scotland.
My Dad started teaching me firearms when I was 12. By the time I was 14, I was learning basic CQB (Close Quarters Battle). I was learning to properly switch between rifle and pistol during a firefight, how to coordinate target selection with a partner, double-tapping with a headshot, using proper ballistics depending on the terrain...etc.
You'd think that I would've massacred 100 innocent people after losing my job. But, nope, here I am. If anything, I have a deep respect for firearms and a greater disgust for people who abuse their right to own them.
So great. Good for you. But it can still come of course...
Well I guess there's not too many opportunities to shoot deer here!
I suppose I'm thinking that having a gun and being proficient at using a gun is just an insurance policy of sorts against extreme situations. I can really only think of a couple of specific situations where I might use one.
I'm not really one to go hunting, so unless there's a plague of kangaroos that had become a menace I can't really see me needing to shoot. Maybe at a snake but most likely not even then or perhaps a feral dog or cat? Maybe if an animal was in extreme pain or suffering with no possibility of survival I might be able to end their suffering but I'd be more likely to take them to the vet.
As to needing to use one against a person, well I can really only see that happening in the most absolutely extreme of circumstances.
Most likely I would be shooting at cans for practice, learning all I need to know and then hoping I never have to use the gun against a living being.
Not making a judgement about people that do hunt, it's just not something that interests me or something I could do. Hell I can't even fish without getting upset. I agree with what was said somewhere in the thread about a gun being a tool. Owning and being able to use a gun doesn't mean you suddenly will.
So a bolt action with a scope sounds like a good plan. Approximately how much do they cost charger? Ball park.
Well I guess there's not too many opportunities to shoot deer here!
I suppose I'm thinking that having a gun and being proficient at using a gun is just an insurance policy of sorts against extreme situations. I can really only think of a couple of specific situations where I might use one.
I'm not really one to go hunting, so unless there's a plague of kangaroos that had become a menace I can't really see me needing to shoot. Maybe at a snake but most likely not even then or perhaps a feral dog or cat? Maybe if an animal was in extreme pain or suffering with no possibility of survival I might be able to end their suffering but I'd be more likely to take them to the vet.
As to needing to use one against a person, well I can really only see that happening in the most absolutely extreme of circumstances.
Most likely I would be shooting at cans for practice, learning all I need to know and then hoping I never have to use the gun against a living being.
Not making a judgement about people that do hunt, it's just not something that interests me or something I could do. Hell I can't even fish without getting upset. I agree with what was said somewhere in the thread about a gun being a tool. Owning and being able to use a gun doesn't mean you suddenly will.
So a bolt action with a scope sounds like a good plan. Approximately how much do they cost charger? Ball park.
So if you're into target shooting than a bolt action .22 is the way to go. Cheap as hell to shoot. If you ever think you'l need it for more than I would go with the .308.
As for price, .22's a nice one can be had for $200 US. The Remington I linked to is $700 US.
So if you're into target shooting than a bolt action .22 is the way to go. Cheap as hell to shoot. If you ever think you'l need it for more than I would go with the .308.
As for price, .22's a nice one can be had for $200 US. The Remington I linked to is $700 US.
But a bolt action .22 would be able to be used IF I needed to?
How much do these things weigh anyway?
I guess a bolt action .22 would be about $280 here then and the Remington, supposing it was available, would be around $1000.
Do the scopes cost a lot?
There seem to be a lot of anti-gun folk on this board (imagine that right!) that have biases based in part on misinformation or lack of understanding of the firearms they hate. I'd like to do my part to educate open minded people and hopefully dispell some of the hysteria surrounding firearms.
If you have a question ask, if you are here to just say you hate guns feel free to do that too.
Ask away...
Black soldiers get apology for WWII convictions
Posted by The Associated Press July 26, 2008 21:55PM
Categories: Breaking News
SEATTLE -- More than six decades after 28 black soldiers were wrongly
convicted after a riot and lynching of an Italian in Seattle, the Army has
issued a formal apology.
"We had not done right by these soldiers," Ronald James, assistant secretary
of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs, said Saturday. "The Army is
genuinely sorry. I am genuinely sorry."
Relatives of the soldiers joined elected officials, military officers and
one of the defense lawyers to hear James give the apology before hundreds of
people in a meadow near the old Fort Lawton parade grounds and chapel in
Discovery Park.
All but two of the soldiers are dead. One, Samuel Snow of Leesburg, Fla.,
planned to attend the ceremony but wound up in the hospital instead because
of a problem with his pacemaker.
The convictions were overturned in October at the prodding of Rep. Jim
McDermott, D-Seattle, largely based on the book "On American Soil" published
in 2005 by Jack Hamann, a CNN and PBS journalist, and his wife Leslie about
the riot on the night of Aug. 14, 1944, and subsequent events at Fort
Lawton.
Dozens were injured in the melee that started with a scuffle between an
Italian prisoner of war and a black soldier from the segregated barracks
near the POW housing. A POW, Guglielmo Olivotto, was found hanged at the
bottom of a bluff the next day,.
The Army prosecutor was Leon Jaworski, who went on to become special
prosecutor in the Watergate scandal of the early 1970s.
Forty-three black soldiers were charged with rioting and three also were
charged with murder. Two defense lawyers were assigned to the case and given
two weeks to prepare without ever being shown an Army investigation
criticizing the way the riot was handled.
In the ensuing trial 28 men were convicted.
One of those attending the ceremony Saturday, Arthur Prevost of Houston,
said his father Willie, one of the convicted soldiers, never talked about
what had happened.
"I think he was embarrassed," Prevost said. "I wished he had told us."
Snow's son, Ray Snow, told the gathering his father felt no animosity for
the long-ago injustice.
"He was so honored" by the tribute, Ray Snow said. "We salute you for
remembering a travesty that took place."
I was actually gonna ask why do we have one of the highest, if not the highest, death rates from guns in the world. Not to mention the most school shootings.
Black soldiers get apology for WWII convictions
Posted by The Associated Press July 26, 2008 21:55PM
Categories: Breaking News
SEATTLE -- More than six decades after 28 black soldiers were wrongly
convicted after a riot and lynching of an Italian in Seattle, the Army has
issued a formal apology.
"We had not done right by these soldiers," Ronald James, assistant secretary
of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs, said Saturday. "The Army is
genuinely sorry. I am genuinely sorry."
Relatives of the soldiers joined elected officials, military officers and
one of the defense lawyers to hear James give the apology before hundreds of
people in a meadow near the old Fort Lawton parade grounds and chapel in
Discovery Park.
All but two of the soldiers are dead. One, Samuel Snow of Leesburg, Fla.,
planned to attend the ceremony but wound up in the hospital instead because
of a problem with his pacemaker.
The convictions were overturned in October at the prodding of Rep. Jim
McDermott, D-Seattle, largely based on the book "On American Soil" published
in 2005 by Jack Hamann, a CNN and PBS journalist, and his wife Leslie about
the riot on the night of Aug. 14, 1944, and subsequent events at Fort
Lawton.
Dozens were injured in the melee that started with a scuffle between an
Italian prisoner of war and a black soldier from the segregated barracks
near the POW housing. A POW, Guglielmo Olivotto, was found hanged at the
bottom of a bluff the next day,.
The Army prosecutor was Leon Jaworski, who went on to become special
prosecutor in the Watergate scandal of the early 1970s.
Forty-three black soldiers were charged with rioting and three also were
charged with murder. Two defense lawyers were assigned to the case and given
two weeks to prepare without ever being shown an Army investigation
criticizing the way the riot was handled.
In the ensuing trial 28 men were convicted.
One of those attending the ceremony Saturday, Arthur Prevost of Houston,
said his father Willie, one of the convicted soldiers, never talked about
what had happened.
"I think he was embarrassed," Prevost said. "I wished he had told us."
Snow's son, Ray Snow, told the gathering his father felt no animosity for
the long-ago injustice.
"He was so honored" by the tribute, Ray Snow said. "We salute you for
remembering a travesty that took place."
I was actually gonna ask why do we have one of the highest, if not the highest, death rates from guns in the world. Not to mention the most school shootings.
Black soldiers get apology for WWII convictions
Posted by The Associated Press July 26, 2008 21:55PM
Categories: Breaking News
SEATTLE -- More than six decades after 28 black soldiers were wrongly
convicted after a riot and lynching of an Italian in Seattle, the Army has
issued a formal apology.
"We had not done right by these soldiers," Ronald James, assistant secretary
of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs, said Saturday. "The Army is
genuinely sorry. I am genuinely sorry."
Relatives of the soldiers joined elected officials, military officers and
one of the defense lawyers to hear James give the apology before hundreds of
people in a meadow near the old Fort Lawton parade grounds and chapel in
Discovery Park.
All but two of the soldiers are dead. One, Samuel Snow of Leesburg, Fla.,
planned to attend the ceremony but wound up in the hospital instead because
of a problem with his pacemaker.
The convictions were overturned in October at the prodding of Rep. Jim
McDermott, D-Seattle, largely based on the book "On American Soil" published
in 2005 by Jack Hamann, a CNN and PBS journalist, and his wife Leslie about
the riot on the night of Aug. 14, 1944, and subsequent events at Fort
Lawton.
Dozens were injured in the melee that started with a scuffle between an
Italian prisoner of war and a black soldier from the segregated barracks
near the POW housing. A POW, Guglielmo Olivotto, was found hanged at the
bottom of a bluff the next day,.
The Army prosecutor was Leon Jaworski, who went on to become special
prosecutor in the Watergate scandal of the early 1970s.
Forty-three black soldiers were charged with rioting and three also were
charged with murder. Two defense lawyers were assigned to the case and given
two weeks to prepare without ever being shown an Army investigation
criticizing the way the riot was handled.
In the ensuing trial 28 men were convicted.
One of those attending the ceremony Saturday, Arthur Prevost of Houston,
said his father Willie, one of the convicted soldiers, never talked about
what had happened.
"I think he was embarrassed," Prevost said. "I wished he had told us."
Snow's son, Ray Snow, told the gathering his father felt no animosity for
the long-ago injustice.
"He was so honored" by the tribute, Ray Snow said. "We salute you for
remembering a travesty that took place."
I was actually gonna ask why do we have one of the highest, if not the highest, death rates from guns in the world. Not to mention the most school shootings.
SALEM, Ore. (AP) -- Michael Sands' dramatic escape from a locked psychiatric
ward at Oregon State Hospital began when he accosted a female staff member
early in the morning and took her keys and identification card.
After slipping out of the hospital's 50 building at about 1:30 a.m. last
Friday, he carjacked a vehicle, rammed a patrol car, assaulted an officer,
resisted a police dog and was finally subdued by the electric shock of a
Taser.
Homer Woods, a forensic psychiatric patient at the hospital, saw Sands
overpower the female employee.
"From what I could tell, she was attacked from the back," Woods told the
Salem Statesman-Journal. "She turned around and tried to keep her keys and
identification card from being ripped away from her."
But Sands, whose criminal history includes carjackings, police chases and an
officer assault, was able to wrest them away.
Questions have been raised over how Sands was able to get out of the
building.
"Exit from the 50 Building at OSH requires that the identification badge be
swiped at two gates," said Richard Yates, a retired unit director in the
hospital's forensic program.
"Swiping the badge brings up a picture of the staff member on the computer
monitor at the Communications Center," Yates said in an e-mail to the
Statesman-Journal. "The security staff there match the computer monitor
picture with the live camera view and then release the lock.
Yates wrote: "Why did security staff open the two gates when the escapee (a
man) looked nothing like the staff member whose badge he used (a woman)?"
Deputy Hospital Superintendent Maynard Hammer said he has ruled out staff
negligence as a contributing factor.
Hammer said hospital employees did their best to respond to the escape -
officially described as the only known case in which a patient has bolted
from a locked ward by stealing keys and exiting through security gates.
He said security protocols in the hospital's communications center, as
described by Yates, may have "gotten lost in the shuffle" amid the
fast-unfolding escape, thin nightshift staffing and confusion.
"Having been there at that communications center for a number of emergency
events, fire response and things like that, it gets overwhelming real
quick," he said. "Everything happens all at once, and there really aren't
enough communications center staff to take care of business."
In this case, Hammer said, hospital employees responded quickly.
A nurse who had been conversing with Woods hit a panic alarm after seeing
the assault on the female employee.
As soon as the nurse realized that Sands had escaped from the ward, she made
a phone call to update the communications center: The assault had become an
escape.
"The first instinct she had was to get folks showing up because she saw the
assault," Hammer said. "Then when he got the keys and got out, she
immediately called. So the communications center was trying to respond to a
panic alarm, an escape call, and (control) all the gates for the response to
the panic alarm."
All of that put intense pressure on the communications center to conduct
standard security checks at the gates, Hammer said.
"It looked like everybody acted with impressive speed.
DEBRA ANN DIRKS, DENISE LEE DIRKS, VONNIE LYNN DIRKS, and
GERALD EDWARD DIRKS, Plaintiffs-Appellees, v. NORMAN T.
BROOKS, Defendant, and BEVERLY H. BROOKS,
Intervenor-Appellant
APPEAL FROM THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SECOND CIRCUIT
(Civ. No. 4301(1))
MEMORANDUM OPINION
(By: Burns, C.J., Watanabe, and Lim, JJ.)
In this appeal, Intervenor-Appellant Beverly H. Brooks (Beverly or
Intervenor) challenges the October 7, 1993 Findings of Fact and Conclusions
of Law; Order (the 1993 Order), issued by the Circuit Court of the Second
Circuit (the circuit court), Judge E. John McConnell presiding, denying
Beverly's December 17, 1991 Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief.
We affirm.
BACKGROUND
On September 6, 1979, John L. Franklin, Personal Representative of the
Estate of Roy L. Dirks, Deceased (Dirks) (1)
filed a Complaint in the circuit court to domesticate an Oregon wrongful
death judgment against Defendant-Appellant Norman T. Brooks (Norman or
Defendant). On September 7, 1979, Dirks filed a Motion for Preliminary
Injunction to enjoin Norman, during the pendency of the lawsuit, "from
selling, leasing, assigning or in anyway [sic] alienating his interest in
the real property located at tax map key number 2-8-005-102" (the Maui
property). The recorded deed for the Maui property reflected that Norman
owned the Maui property with Beverly as joint tenants with the right of
survivorship.
The circuit court granted Dirks' Motion for Preliminary Injunction by an
Order filed on October 9, 1979.
On August 7, 1981, Dirks moved for judgment on the pleadings. On October 21,
1981, the circuit court, Judge Kase Higa presiding, entered: (1) an Order
Granting [Dirks'] Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings, which noted that
Norman did not appear at the hearing on the motion; (2) a Judgment for Dirks
and against Norman for $1,200,000.00, the amount claimed by Dirks, as well
as interest, costs, and attorney fees totaling $227,209.20; and (3) a Notice
of Entry of Order or Judgment. (2)
On July 12, 1991, new counsel entered an appearance for Dirks, whose prior
counsel had died. The same day, an Execution of the October 21, 1981
Judgment was filed in the circuit court, commanding the sheriff or deputy
sheriff of the State of Hawai`i to levy upon Norman's Maui property. On
August 26, 1991, a deputy sheriff filed a Notice of Execution, certifying
that he had levied upon all of the right, title and interest of Norman in
the Maui property.
On August 30, 1991, Dirks filed an ex parte motion to revive the October 21,
1981 Judgment against Norman, on grounds that no part of the judgment had
yet been paid or satisfied. An order granting the motion was entered on
August 30, 1991.
On November 29, 1991, Beverly filed a Motion for Leave to Intervene as a
party to the action against Norman and be allowed to file a complaint
seeking declaratory judgment "that [Beverly] is the equitable and sole owner
of [the Maui property] and directing reformation of the deed to reflect sole
ownership by [Beverly.]"
Beverly's Motion for Leave to Intervene was granted on January 2, 1992.
d in the Deed.
14. Upon returning to Oregon on March 15, 1976, the Intervenor visited the
Defendant in prison and told him about the subject property, including the
fact that his name was on the title as co-owner. The Intervenor testified
that she spoke with an Oregon attorney named Price about removing the
Defendant's name from the Deed and was told that it could be done. However,
she admitted that she did not do anything about it, as she did not think it
was important, and that thereafter she procrastinated and never got around
to pursuing the name removal.
15. In April of 1976, while in Oregon, the Intervenor received a copy of
the recorded Deed from the escrow officer. When the Intervenor received the
Deed, she noted that both her name and the Defendant's were on the Deed,
that they were listed as joint tenants, and that they were listed as being
husband and wife. Thereafter, the Intervenor sent correspondence to the
escrow officer, but none of her correspondence mentioned changing the title
or having the Defendant's name removed from the Deed.
16. On May 13, 1976, the Defendant signed and sent a letter to the escrow
officer concerning the subject property. Defendant's letter made no mention
of changing the title or having his name removed from the Deed.
17. On July 30, 1976, at the Oregon State Penitentiary, the Intervenor and
the Defendant both signed, in the presence of a notary public, a document
which granted a utilities easement over the subject property to Maui
Electric Company, Ltd. The easement document listed them as husband and
wife. The easement document was recorded in the Bureau of Conveyances on
September 10, 1976.
18. During 1976, certain improvements were made to the subject property,
including the construction of a dwelling. The Intervenor paid for these
improvements. The Intervenor testified that the Defendant was the designer
of the property.
19. On or about August 10, 1978, the Defendant was released from prison
and moved to the subject property on Maui with the Intervenor and joined the
rest of his family.
20. On August 29, 1979, in the Oregon wrongful death case, judgment was
entered in favor of the Plaintiff and against the Defendant ("the Oregon
Judgment"). The Plaintiff was awarded damages totalling $1,200,000 against
the Defendant.
21. On September 6, 1979, the complaint in this case was filed which
sought to domesticate the Oregon Judgment. Following a hearing held on
September 27, 1979, a preliminary injunction was entered in this case on
November 20, 1979, which enjoined the Defendant "during the pendency of this
action from selling, leasing, assigning or in any way alienating his
interest in the real property located at TMK 2-8-005-102." The preliminary
injunction order was recorded with the Bureau of Conveyances on November 20,
1979.
22. On October 21, 1981, a judgment was entered in this case in favor of
Plaintiff and against Defendant domesticating the Oregon Judgment and
awarding to the Plaintiff damages totalling $1,427,209.20. On August 30,
1991, this judgment was renewed, and the total damages awarded to the
Plaintiff against the Defendant, with accrued interest, increased to
$2,810,624.40.
24. At all times since the Intervenor had the Defendant's name placed on
the Deed to the subject property on March 1, 1976, up to the date of trial,
she knew that his name remained on the title.
25. During the period August 1978 to September 1979, when the Intervenor
and the Defendant first cohabited together at the subject property, neither
of them took any action to have the Defendant's name removed from the title
to the subject property.
26. At the time that the Plaintiff sought the preliminary injunction
against the Defendant in this case in September of 1976, the Intervenor knew
of the Oregon Judgment, knew of the filing of this action, and knew of the
injunctive relief sought by Plaintiff.
27. She admitted at trial that prior to filing her motion for intervention
in 1991, she never engaged a Hawaii attorney to have the Defendant's name
removed from the title.
DOCTOR HOLT RUNS THE LBJ JOHNSON UNIT HERE IN OREGON?? CIA FUCK YOU TOO
There seem to be a lot of anti-gun folk on this board (imagine that right!) that have biases based in part on misinformation or lack of understanding of the firearms they hate. I'd like to do my part to educate open minded people and hopefully dispell some of the hysteria surrounding firearms.
If you have a question ask, if you are here to just say you hate guns feel free to do that too.
Ask away...
Texas: After he was snared in a net of swirling controversies including an e-mail scandal and the high-profile indictment of a sitting Supreme Court justice followed by an immediate move to dismiss that case, Harris County (Houston), Texas, District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal resigned from office. It was a stunning reversal of fortunes.
In a press release, Rosenthal said prescription drugs had impaired his judgment. But it was what happened inside a southeast Houston home six years earlier that led to events in a federal courtroom and to Rosenthal's resignation. Erik and Sean Ibarra -- the power of common men.
Mississippi: The Innocence Project has asked the state to fill the long-vacant position of State Medical Examiner, and to stop using state pathologist Dr. Steven Hayne. Dr. Hayne's work lies at the heart of the wrongful convictions of Kennedy Brewer and Levon Brooks. His credentials and the results of his work have been solidly discredited for several years, but he is under no oversight because the State Medical Examiner position has been vacant for more than a decade. How many more wrongful convictions before the state acts responsibly?
But Dr. Steven Hayne is only half of the despicable duo. Forensic odontologist Dr. Michael West found "bite marks" no one else could see on the bodies of the little victims in both cases, and in both cases, testified that Kennedy Brewer and Levon Brooks were each guilty. "If you fabricate evidence in a capital murder case, where you know that if the person's convicted they are going to be executed -- as far as I'm concerned that's the crime of attempted murder,'' says Peter Neufeld. "He's a criminal."
Massachusetts: Stephan Cowans spent nearly seven of his 37 years of life behind bars, locked up for a crime he did not commit. Exonerated in January 2004, Cowans sued and ultimately received a $3.2 million settlement from the city of Boston in 2006. This past October (2007), he was shot dead in his Randolph home. Cowans never learned how, or why, he came to be blamed for the non-fatal shooting of Boston police officer Gregory Gallagher in 1997. Now, the Boston Phoenix has uncovered substantial new information about the Cowans case. These revelations are troubling, as they suggest that key members of the Boston Police Department (BPD) knew that Cowans was innocent, even as they forged the case to prosecute him. Incompetent--or Corrupt?
New York: New York state investigators are probing how police and prosecutors handled the 1988 bludgeoning and stabbing deaths of Seymour and Arlene Tankleff, whose son, Marty Tankleff, served 17 years in prison for their murders before being released in December, 2007. What Took So Long?
New York: A teen shooting suspect's quick decision to record his interrogation with a hidden MP3 device has played out as a perjury case against a veteran detective. Testifying at the trial of Erik Crespo in April, Detective Christopher Perino, 42, emphatically stated that he hadn't questioned the then-17-year-old about a Christmas Day 2005 shooting in The Bronx before the kid's mother and aunt showed up at the 44th Precinct station. But Crespo had secretly pressed record on his MP3 player - a small device used to download music from the Internet - hidden in his pocket and captured the bullying interrogation. "Testilying" vs. Tape.
Link:
Texas Math
What do you get when you take one ambitious prosecutor, four cold cases, a couple of cooperative snitches and four defendants with compelling innocence claims? You get three death sentences and one life without parole.
Hawaii: A hard-won victory for the common man: Pinkerton v. KPD (Link)
I would feel it is safe to say not everyone frequenting the board has all of their eggs in one basket, case in point, see posts above??!
:::edit:: posts were removed..for obvious reasons if you happened to catch them.
With that thought in mind,...charger, you claim to be trying to educate people on the owning and use of firearms, there has been a great deal of discussion about the responsibility that is necessary for one to own such powerful weapons. And yet you go and post a link to purchase firearms online? To complete and utter strangers? Seems to me that is completely irresponsible. Not to mention the fact that this is an all ages message board, meaning minors frequent it if they happen to like Pearl Jam...
and to be posting links for the purchasing of firearms on a Pearl Jam message board of all places to boot?
cripes, this is mind boggling to me.
and,....What a horrible thing to write to someone....
Consider yourself a future victim. Legalizing guns would allow you a level playingfield. So, God forbid, as you lay on the cold ground with the life flowing from the stabwound on your neck, staring up into a clear night, I bet you'll think about how nice it would have been to at least had the means to defend yourself.
I guess that's the fundamental difference between folks like you and I. I refuse to be a victim.
I hunt with a flame thrower if I can, kills and cooks my food all in one shot.
I like to use a snare net so I can go in for the neck bite. It doesn't get any fresher...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
and,.... what a horrible thing to write to someone
What do you expect from people with a mentality like that though? I'm sure as hell not living my life feeling like a victim so I don't know what 69charger is on about. Sounds to me like he's the one living in fear. I refuse to be so fear-stricken that I'll live my life waiting for the moment when I have to take someone else's.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
and,....do you expect from people with a mentality like that though? I'm sure as hell not living my life feeling like a victim so I don't know what 69charger is on about. Sounds to me like he's the one living in fear. I refuse to be so fear-stricken that I'll live my life waiting for the moment when I have to take someone else's.
Exactly. He says we're living in fear of guns... but he's afraid of absolutely everything else, which is why he clutches his pea-shooter so tightly.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
and,....do you expect from people with a mentality like that though? I'm sure as hell not living my life feeling like a victim so I don't know what 69charger is on about. Sounds to me like he's the one living in fear. I refuse to be so fear-stricken that I'll live my life waiting for the moment when I have to take someone else's.
I agree...
I also lived most of my life in a major city (ny) and never once felt like I was going to be a victim. It's a matter of being observant and knowing what to avoid. I lived there for 30+ years and didn't feel like I needed a gun, as a matter of fact, I didn't even know one person who owned one (yonkers/bronx) unless they were a cop.
There seems to be so much information gleaned about 'urban areas', if people haven't lived in the heart of it, then they don't understand it. You have to live it to know what it's about. To understand the neighborhoods, the people, the families...
And this wasn't in the Guiliani 42nd street/tourist attraction days. There were certain things/places you avoided, simple as that.
the main thing that has bothered me about this thread is reading about how responsible people should be if owning/purchasing firearms, and yet that link still sits there for purchasing them online.
it's so fucked up to me.
I also lived most of my life in a major city (ny) and never once felt like I was going to be a victim. It's a matter of being observant and knowing what to avoid. I lived there for 30+ years and didn't feel like I needed a gun, as a matter of fact, I didn't even know one person who owned one (yonkers/bronx) unless they were a cop.
There seems to be so much information gleaned about 'urban areas', if people haven't lived in the heart of it, then they don't understand it. You have to live it to know what it's about. To understand the neighborhoods, the people, the families...
And this wasn't in the Guiliani 42nd street/tourist attraction days. There were certain things/places you avoided, simple as that.
the main thing that has bothered me about this thread is reading about how responsible people should be if owning/purchasing firearms, and yet that link still sits there for purchasing them online.
it's so fucked up to me.
YES YES YES! This is what pisses me off.
I can understand the need for a gun, occupationally speaking, if you live on some ranch in the sticks in Wyoming or something but when these people who do then talk about the dangers of society and how they need protection I just want to say "for fuckssakes, you live in the middle of nowhere, I live smack bang in South London, murder capital of the country right now and I don't have a gun, nor do I want one, nor do I need one."
Then they tell us we just aren't as committed as them, to notions of family loyalty etc, as if being Rambo makes you a loving family man. I tell you something, people that bring their kids up in a house with guns make me sick. Waving around a gun doesn't make you a bigger man than someone who doesn't. If someone threatened my family on my property I'd be prepared to rip them apart with my bare hands. Don't need a gun for that.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I can understand the need for a gun, occupationally speaking, if you live on some ranch in the sticks in Wyoming or something but when these people who do then talk about the dangers of society and how they need protection I just want to say "for fuckssakes, you live in the middle of nowhere, I live smack bang in South London, murder capital of the country right now and I don't have a gun, nor do I want one, nor do I need one."
Then they tell us we just aren't as committed as them, to notions of family loyalty etc, as if being Rambo makes you a loving family man. I tell you something, people that bring their kids up in a house with guns make me sick. Waving around a gun doesn't make you a bigger man than someone who doesn't. If someone threatened my family on my property I'd be prepared to rip them apart with my bare hands. Don't need a gun for that.
Yes, and I have that mama bear intuitiveness about me also and I wouldn't need a gun believe you me if anyone fucked with one of my kids.
I was thinking just now, about growing up in the city, having not owned a gun or any other weapon ...
the thing that kept me going, was a razor tongue and very fast feet if need be.
works like a fucking charm.
Nice talking to you London!
I need to leave this thread, it's making my blood pressure rise and it's making me want to smoke another cigarette.
I take it it's a cartoon version of Mick Dundee and the knife thingy though?
I guess (mostly) erradicating guns from the culture has made us have to be a little more ingeneous in some situations and let's face it, most of us can't be bothered with guns now because it's such a pain in the arse the way it has become but I do know that alot of people in rural settings seem to have one. Not sure what they use them for but then I have no idea what we need a second pump for or why it's imperative to have half the bloody tools we have down the shed. :rolleyes:
It astounds me though why Australia keeps getting held up as this model of non violence based on us not having guns anymore when knife related violence has gone up so much since the buy back. AND for all the bloody good the buy back did to mental health services WHICH is where the real problem lies anyway IMO. It's not the average gun owner that is the problem as far as I can see, it's the nutters. Or, if you're from Victoria, the underworld or the cops.
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I have to have a gun... and not just a rifle or shotgun either....numerous times I've had to scare off coyotes that come up all the way to the back door....
If you're not packing you're a fool....
I'm willing to bet not one of these anti-gun types lives on a farm.
Do you know what it's like to witness your family dog torn apart by a pack of coyotes in your own backyard where your children were just playing a few hours earlier?
Do you eat eggs? Drink milk? Eat hamburgers or steak?
Where I live we protect our chickens and cattle from predators with guns.
eh, just to clarify, he gets paid to tree animals for people, lions, bears. And when he goes out, they get what they are looking for, its almost guaranteed for the clients. as for himself, when he shoots something for himself, he brings it home. I'll try to get some pics from him, he's lost more than a few dogs to bears and cats, and has more trophy buck antler horns than he knows what to do with. Think he uses bloodhounds? or did a anyway, not sure what he uses now.
But I have to leave this thread for a while...its reverting me back to my redneck state
My dad used to get drunk and beat the shit outta me, my brother or my mom....
he never used a gun on us, he used his fists
I'm sure alcoholism is a far bigger problem than guns.
My older brother was killed by a drunk driver 4 years ago. I adored him, he was my world. Our family is still broken. Things will never be the same.
I don't defend the booze, and i'll still never use a gun under any circumstances.
Well said!
A .22 could theoretically kill anything given surgically precise shot placement.
If you are talking mountain lions and not african lions then yes, a .308 is adequate but I'd still want something that I know would kill them with the first shot and stop a charge in it's tracks. I would not be hunting even large black bear with a .308 but it doesn't mean that people don't kill them with bow and arrow all the time.
Let's just say that the .308 is not the preferred cartridge for those types of game.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being in touch with a side of you that has learned the ultimate in personal responsibility, that being the means to actually sustain yourself and the ones you love if need be.
Nothing wrong with being a redneck. They will be the ones that survive when all of our beautiful machines come crashing down. They also live a far 'greener' life than a lot of the 'tree huggers' in the cities.
Country Boy Can Survive - Hank Williams, Jr.
The preacher man says it’s the end of time
And the Mississippi River she’s a goin’ dry
The interest is up and the Stock Markets down
And you only get mugged
If you go down town
I live back in the woods, you see
A woman and the kids, and the dogs and me
I got a shotgun rifle and a 4-wheel drive
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
I can plow a field all day long
I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn
We make our own whiskey and our own smoke too
Ain’t too many things these ole boys can’t do
We grow good ole tomatoes and homemade wine
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
Because you can’t starve us out
And you cant makes us run
Cause one-of- ‘em old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn
We came from the West Virginia coalmines
And the Rocky Mountains and the and the western skies
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
I had a good friend in New York City
He never called me by my name, just hillbilly
My grandpa taught me how to live off the land
And his taught him to be a businessman
He used to send me pictures of the Broadway nights
And I’d send him some homemade wine
But he was killed by a man with a switchblade knife
For 43 dollars my friend lost his life
Id love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes
And shoot him with my old 45
Cause a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
Cause you can’t starve us out and you can’t make us run
Cause one-of- ‘em old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn
We’re from North California and south Alabam
And little towns all around this land
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive
As far as I'm aware it's practically impossible to own a handgun here and all kinds of special permits are required for civilians to own one. I'm also fairly certain that supposing a civilian did fulfill all the requirements of gaining the special permit, a handgun is only allowed to be housed at a gun club or discharged at a gun club or shooting range by civilians. (not 100% certain of the law there but basically if you live in Australia and you are a law abiding civilian dismiss the idea of owning a hand gun)
The only people that have hand guns in this country are police, military, specially trained security and criminals.
With regard to any weapon in this country, all semi automatic weapons are illegal unless under special circumstances and most have been handed back to the government as part of the buy back scheme that was instigated after the Port Arthur Massacre and destroyed. Whilst I could get a permit for a .22 rifle it would be single fire. I can't remember the term but basically you'd have to load the bullet, fire and then reload to fire again.
I have shot with a .22 semi automatic and if they were still legal in this country it would probably be my gun of choice but those days are over.
Thanks though commy, I didn't notice your reply before I left earlier.
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Edinburgh.
1765 - 1823 Soldier. Born at Hopetoun House near Edinburgh. Hope served at
the Battle of Alexandria (1801) and led the First Division in Spain during
the Peninsular War (1808 - 14). Under the command of General Sir John Moore
(1761 - 1809), the British Army was faced with defeat in 1808 with the
French having taken Madrid and advanced towards them. The British executed a
winter retreat under terrible conditions across the mountains from Astorga
to the coast at Corunna, with the intention of escaping by sea. However, the
French attacked with greatly superior numbers and a desperate battle
ensured, but the British were eventually triumphant and the French suffered
massive casualties. Hope distinguished himself in this battle and, when
Moore was killed, Hope heroically took command of the British Army. Sir
David Baird of Newbyth (1757 - 1829) was severely injured in the same
battle. Hope's successful evacuation of his army earned him a knighthood in
his own right from King George III. The Peninsular War ended with the
capture and isolation of Napoleon on the Island of Elba.
Hope died in Paris and is remembered by various monuments, including large
Hopetoun Monuments in Fife and East Lothian. His statue is to be found in
front of Dundas House in Edinburgh's St Andrew's Square, Hope having been a
governor of the Royal Bank of Scotland.
So great. Good for you. But it can still come of course...
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Well I guess there's not too many opportunities to shoot deer here!
I suppose I'm thinking that having a gun and being proficient at using a gun is just an insurance policy of sorts against extreme situations. I can really only think of a couple of specific situations where I might use one.
I'm not really one to go hunting, so unless there's a plague of kangaroos that had become a menace I can't really see me needing to shoot. Maybe at a snake but most likely not even then or perhaps a feral dog or cat? Maybe if an animal was in extreme pain or suffering with no possibility of survival I might be able to end their suffering but I'd be more likely to take them to the vet.
As to needing to use one against a person, well I can really only see that happening in the most absolutely extreme of circumstances.
Most likely I would be shooting at cans for practice, learning all I need to know and then hoping I never have to use the gun against a living being.
Not making a judgement about people that do hunt, it's just not something that interests me or something I could do. Hell I can't even fish without getting upset. I agree with what was said somewhere in the thread about a gun being a tool. Owning and being able to use a gun doesn't mean you suddenly will.
So a bolt action with a scope sounds like a good plan. Approximately how much do they cost charger? Ball park.
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So if you're into target shooting than a bolt action .22 is the way to go. Cheap as hell to shoot. If you ever think you'l need it for more than I would go with the .308.
As for price, .22's a nice one can be had for $200 US. The Remington I linked to is $700 US.
But a bolt action .22 would be able to be used IF I needed to?
How much do these things weigh anyway?
I guess a bolt action .22 would be about $280 here then and the Remington, supposing it was available, would be around $1000.
Do the scopes cost a lot?
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Posted by The Associated Press July 26, 2008 21:55PM
Categories: Breaking News
SEATTLE -- More than six decades after 28 black soldiers were wrongly
convicted after a riot and lynching of an Italian in Seattle, the Army has
issued a formal apology.
"We had not done right by these soldiers," Ronald James, assistant secretary
of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs, said Saturday. "The Army is
genuinely sorry. I am genuinely sorry."
Relatives of the soldiers joined elected officials, military officers and
one of the defense lawyers to hear James give the apology before hundreds of
people in a meadow near the old Fort Lawton parade grounds and chapel in
Discovery Park.
All but two of the soldiers are dead. One, Samuel Snow of Leesburg, Fla.,
planned to attend the ceremony but wound up in the hospital instead because
of a problem with his pacemaker.
The convictions were overturned in October at the prodding of Rep. Jim
McDermott, D-Seattle, largely based on the book "On American Soil" published
in 2005 by Jack Hamann, a CNN and PBS journalist, and his wife Leslie about
the riot on the night of Aug. 14, 1944, and subsequent events at Fort
Lawton.
Dozens were injured in the melee that started with a scuffle between an
Italian prisoner of war and a black soldier from the segregated barracks
near the POW housing. A POW, Guglielmo Olivotto, was found hanged at the
bottom of a bluff the next day,.
The Army prosecutor was Leon Jaworski, who went on to become special
prosecutor in the Watergate scandal of the early 1970s.
Forty-three black soldiers were charged with rioting and three also were
charged with murder. Two defense lawyers were assigned to the case and given
two weeks to prepare without ever being shown an Army investigation
criticizing the way the riot was handled.
In the ensuing trial 28 men were convicted.
One of those attending the ceremony Saturday, Arthur Prevost of Houston,
said his father Willie, one of the convicted soldiers, never talked about
what had happened.
"I think he was embarrassed," Prevost said. "I wished he had told us."
Snow's son, Ray Snow, told the gathering his father felt no animosity for
the long-ago injustice.
"He was so honored" by the tribute, Ray Snow said. "We salute you for
remembering a travesty that took place."
Posted by The Associated Press July 26, 2008 21:55PM
Categories: Breaking News
SEATTLE -- More than six decades after 28 black soldiers were wrongly
convicted after a riot and lynching of an Italian in Seattle, the Army has
issued a formal apology.
"We had not done right by these soldiers," Ronald James, assistant secretary
of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs, said Saturday. "The Army is
genuinely sorry. I am genuinely sorry."
Relatives of the soldiers joined elected officials, military officers and
one of the defense lawyers to hear James give the apology before hundreds of
people in a meadow near the old Fort Lawton parade grounds and chapel in
Discovery Park.
All but two of the soldiers are dead. One, Samuel Snow of Leesburg, Fla.,
planned to attend the ceremony but wound up in the hospital instead because
of a problem with his pacemaker.
The convictions were overturned in October at the prodding of Rep. Jim
McDermott, D-Seattle, largely based on the book "On American Soil" published
in 2005 by Jack Hamann, a CNN and PBS journalist, and his wife Leslie about
the riot on the night of Aug. 14, 1944, and subsequent events at Fort
Lawton.
Dozens were injured in the melee that started with a scuffle between an
Italian prisoner of war and a black soldier from the segregated barracks
near the POW housing. A POW, Guglielmo Olivotto, was found hanged at the
bottom of a bluff the next day,.
The Army prosecutor was Leon Jaworski, who went on to become special
prosecutor in the Watergate scandal of the early 1970s.
Forty-three black soldiers were charged with rioting and three also were
charged with murder. Two defense lawyers were assigned to the case and given
two weeks to prepare without ever being shown an Army investigation
criticizing the way the riot was handled.
In the ensuing trial 28 men were convicted.
One of those attending the ceremony Saturday, Arthur Prevost of Houston,
said his father Willie, one of the convicted soldiers, never talked about
what had happened.
"I think he was embarrassed," Prevost said. "I wished he had told us."
Snow's son, Ray Snow, told the gathering his father felt no animosity for
the long-ago injustice.
"He was so honored" by the tribute, Ray Snow said. "We salute you for
remembering a travesty that took place."
Posted by The Associated Press July 26, 2008 21:55PM
Categories: Breaking News
SEATTLE -- More than six decades after 28 black soldiers were wrongly
convicted after a riot and lynching of an Italian in Seattle, the Army has
issued a formal apology.
"We had not done right by these soldiers," Ronald James, assistant secretary
of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs, said Saturday. "The Army is
genuinely sorry. I am genuinely sorry."
Relatives of the soldiers joined elected officials, military officers and
one of the defense lawyers to hear James give the apology before hundreds of
people in a meadow near the old Fort Lawton parade grounds and chapel in
Discovery Park.
All but two of the soldiers are dead. One, Samuel Snow of Leesburg, Fla.,
planned to attend the ceremony but wound up in the hospital instead because
of a problem with his pacemaker.
The convictions were overturned in October at the prodding of Rep. Jim
McDermott, D-Seattle, largely based on the book "On American Soil" published
in 2005 by Jack Hamann, a CNN and PBS journalist, and his wife Leslie about
the riot on the night of Aug. 14, 1944, and subsequent events at Fort
Lawton.
Dozens were injured in the melee that started with a scuffle between an
Italian prisoner of war and a black soldier from the segregated barracks
near the POW housing. A POW, Guglielmo Olivotto, was found hanged at the
bottom of a bluff the next day,.
The Army prosecutor was Leon Jaworski, who went on to become special
prosecutor in the Watergate scandal of the early 1970s.
Forty-three black soldiers were charged with rioting and three also were
charged with murder. Two defense lawyers were assigned to the case and given
two weeks to prepare without ever being shown an Army investigation
criticizing the way the riot was handled.
In the ensuing trial 28 men were convicted.
One of those attending the ceremony Saturday, Arthur Prevost of Houston,
said his father Willie, one of the convicted soldiers, never talked about
what had happened.
"I think he was embarrassed," Prevost said. "I wished he had told us."
Snow's son, Ray Snow, told the gathering his father felt no animosity for
the long-ago injustice.
"He was so honored" by the tribute, Ray Snow said. "We salute you for
remembering a travesty that took place."
ward at Oregon State Hospital began when he accosted a female staff member
early in the morning and took her keys and identification card.
After slipping out of the hospital's 50 building at about 1:30 a.m. last
Friday, he carjacked a vehicle, rammed a patrol car, assaulted an officer,
resisted a police dog and was finally subdued by the electric shock of a
Taser.
Homer Woods, a forensic psychiatric patient at the hospital, saw Sands
overpower the female employee.
"From what I could tell, she was attacked from the back," Woods told the
Salem Statesman-Journal. "She turned around and tried to keep her keys and
identification card from being ripped away from her."
But Sands, whose criminal history includes carjackings, police chases and an
officer assault, was able to wrest them away.
Questions have been raised over how Sands was able to get out of the
building.
"Exit from the 50 Building at OSH requires that the identification badge be
swiped at two gates," said Richard Yates, a retired unit director in the
hospital's forensic program.
"Swiping the badge brings up a picture of the staff member on the computer
monitor at the Communications Center," Yates said in an e-mail to the
Statesman-Journal. "The security staff there match the computer monitor
picture with the live camera view and then release the lock.
Yates wrote: "Why did security staff open the two gates when the escapee (a
man) looked nothing like the staff member whose badge he used (a woman)?"
Deputy Hospital Superintendent Maynard Hammer said he has ruled out staff
negligence as a contributing factor.
Hammer said hospital employees did their best to respond to the escape -
officially described as the only known case in which a patient has bolted
from a locked ward by stealing keys and exiting through security gates.
He said security protocols in the hospital's communications center, as
described by Yates, may have "gotten lost in the shuffle" amid the
fast-unfolding escape, thin nightshift staffing and confusion.
"Having been there at that communications center for a number of emergency
events, fire response and things like that, it gets overwhelming real
quick," he said. "Everything happens all at once, and there really aren't
enough communications center staff to take care of business."
In this case, Hammer said, hospital employees responded quickly.
A nurse who had been conversing with Woods hit a panic alarm after seeing
the assault on the female employee.
As soon as the nurse realized that Sands had escaped from the ward, she made
a phone call to update the communications center: The assault had become an
escape.
"The first instinct she had was to get folks showing up because she saw the
assault," Hammer said. "Then when he got the keys and got out, she
immediately called. So the communications center was trying to respond to a
panic alarm, an escape call, and (control) all the gates for the response to
the panic alarm."
All of that put intense pressure on the communications center to conduct
standard security checks at the gates, Hammer said.
"It looked like everybody acted with impressive speed.
DEBRA ANN DIRKS, DENISE LEE DIRKS, VONNIE LYNN DIRKS, and
GERALD EDWARD DIRKS, Plaintiffs-Appellees, v. NORMAN T.
BROOKS, Defendant, and BEVERLY H. BROOKS,
Intervenor-Appellant
APPEAL FROM THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SECOND CIRCUIT
(Civ. No. 4301(1))
MEMORANDUM OPINION
(By: Burns, C.J., Watanabe, and Lim, JJ.)
In this appeal, Intervenor-Appellant Beverly H. Brooks (Beverly or
Intervenor) challenges the October 7, 1993 Findings of Fact and Conclusions
of Law; Order (the 1993 Order), issued by the Circuit Court of the Second
Circuit (the circuit court), Judge E. John McConnell presiding, denying
Beverly's December 17, 1991 Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief.
We affirm.
BACKGROUND
On September 6, 1979, John L. Franklin, Personal Representative of the
Estate of Roy L. Dirks, Deceased (Dirks) (1)
filed a Complaint in the circuit court to domesticate an Oregon wrongful
death judgment against Defendant-Appellant Norman T. Brooks (Norman or
Defendant). On September 7, 1979, Dirks filed a Motion for Preliminary
Injunction to enjoin Norman, during the pendency of the lawsuit, "from
selling, leasing, assigning or in anyway [sic] alienating his interest in
the real property located at tax map key number 2-8-005-102" (the Maui
property). The recorded deed for the Maui property reflected that Norman
owned the Maui property with Beverly as joint tenants with the right of
survivorship.
The circuit court granted Dirks' Motion for Preliminary Injunction by an
Order filed on October 9, 1979.
On August 7, 1981, Dirks moved for judgment on the pleadings. On October 21,
1981, the circuit court, Judge Kase Higa presiding, entered: (1) an Order
Granting [Dirks'] Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings, which noted that
Norman did not appear at the hearing on the motion; (2) a Judgment for Dirks
and against Norman for $1,200,000.00, the amount claimed by Dirks, as well
as interest, costs, and attorney fees totaling $227,209.20; and (3) a Notice
of Entry of Order or Judgment. (2)
On July 12, 1991, new counsel entered an appearance for Dirks, whose prior
counsel had died. The same day, an Execution of the October 21, 1981
Judgment was filed in the circuit court, commanding the sheriff or deputy
sheriff of the State of Hawai`i to levy upon Norman's Maui property. On
August 26, 1991, a deputy sheriff filed a Notice of Execution, certifying
that he had levied upon all of the right, title and interest of Norman in
the Maui property.
On August 30, 1991, Dirks filed an ex parte motion to revive the October 21,
1981 Judgment against Norman, on grounds that no part of the judgment had
yet been paid or satisfied. An order granting the motion was entered on
August 30, 1991.
On November 29, 1991, Beverly filed a Motion for Leave to Intervene as a
party to the action against Norman and be allowed to file a complaint
seeking declaratory judgment "that [Beverly] is the equitable and sole owner
of [the Maui property] and directing reformation of the deed to reflect sole
ownership by [Beverly.]"
Beverly's Motion for Leave to Intervene was granted on January 2, 1992.
d in the Deed.
14. Upon returning to Oregon on March 15, 1976, the Intervenor visited the
Defendant in prison and told him about the subject property, including the
fact that his name was on the title as co-owner. The Intervenor testified
that she spoke with an Oregon attorney named Price about removing the
Defendant's name from the Deed and was told that it could be done. However,
she admitted that she did not do anything about it, as she did not think it
was important, and that thereafter she procrastinated and never got around
to pursuing the name removal.
15. In April of 1976, while in Oregon, the Intervenor received a copy of
the recorded Deed from the escrow officer. When the Intervenor received the
Deed, she noted that both her name and the Defendant's were on the Deed,
that they were listed as joint tenants, and that they were listed as being
husband and wife. Thereafter, the Intervenor sent correspondence to the
escrow officer, but none of her correspondence mentioned changing the title
or having the Defendant's name removed from the Deed.
16. On May 13, 1976, the Defendant signed and sent a letter to the escrow
officer concerning the subject property. Defendant's letter made no mention
of changing the title or having his name removed from the Deed.
17. On July 30, 1976, at the Oregon State Penitentiary, the Intervenor and
the Defendant both signed, in the presence of a notary public, a document
which granted a utilities easement over the subject property to Maui
Electric Company, Ltd. The easement document listed them as husband and
wife. The easement document was recorded in the Bureau of Conveyances on
September 10, 1976.
18. During 1976, certain improvements were made to the subject property,
including the construction of a dwelling. The Intervenor paid for these
improvements. The Intervenor testified that the Defendant was the designer
of the property.
19. On or about August 10, 1978, the Defendant was released from prison
and moved to the subject property on Maui with the Intervenor and joined the
rest of his family.
20. On August 29, 1979, in the Oregon wrongful death case, judgment was
entered in favor of the Plaintiff and against the Defendant ("the Oregon
Judgment"). The Plaintiff was awarded damages totalling $1,200,000 against
the Defendant.
21. On September 6, 1979, the complaint in this case was filed which
sought to domesticate the Oregon Judgment. Following a hearing held on
September 27, 1979, a preliminary injunction was entered in this case on
November 20, 1979, which enjoined the Defendant "during the pendency of this
action from selling, leasing, assigning or in any way alienating his
interest in the real property located at TMK 2-8-005-102." The preliminary
injunction order was recorded with the Bureau of Conveyances on November 20,
1979.
22. On October 21, 1981, a judgment was entered in this case in favor of
Plaintiff and against Defendant domesticating the Oregon Judgment and
awarding to the Plaintiff damages totalling $1,427,209.20. On August 30,
1991, this judgment was renewed, and the total damages awarded to the
Plaintiff against the Defendant, with accrued interest, increased to
$2,810,624.40.
24. At all times since the Intervenor had the Defendant's name placed on
the Deed to the subject property on March 1, 1976, up to the date of trial,
she knew that his name remained on the title.
25. During the period August 1978 to September 1979, when the Intervenor
and the Defendant first cohabited together at the subject property, neither
of them took any action to have the Defendant's name removed from the title
to the subject property.
26. At the time that the Plaintiff sought the preliminary injunction
against the Defendant in this case in September of 1976, the Intervenor knew
of the Oregon Judgment, knew of the filing of this action, and knew of the
injunctive relief sought by Plaintiff.
27. She admitted at trial that prior to filing her motion for intervention
in 1991, she never engaged a Hawaii attorney to have the Defendant's name
removed from the title.
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Mississippi: The Innocence Project has asked the state to fill the long-vacant position of State Medical Examiner, and to stop using state pathologist Dr. Steven Hayne. Dr. Hayne's work lies at the heart of the wrongful convictions of Kennedy Brewer and Levon Brooks. His credentials and the results of his work have been solidly discredited for several years, but he is under no oversight because the State Medical Examiner position has been vacant for more than a decade. How many more wrongful convictions before the state acts responsibly?
But Dr. Steven Hayne is only half of the despicable duo. Forensic odontologist Dr. Michael West found "bite marks" no one else could see on the bodies of the little victims in both cases, and in both cases, testified that Kennedy Brewer and Levon Brooks were each guilty. "If you fabricate evidence in a capital murder case, where you know that if the person's convicted they are going to be executed -- as far as I'm concerned that's the crime of attempted murder,'' says Peter Neufeld. "He's a criminal."
Massachusetts: Stephan Cowans spent nearly seven of his 37 years of life behind bars, locked up for a crime he did not commit. Exonerated in January 2004, Cowans sued and ultimately received a $3.2 million settlement from the city of Boston in 2006. This past October (2007), he was shot dead in his Randolph home. Cowans never learned how, or why, he came to be blamed for the non-fatal shooting of Boston police officer Gregory Gallagher in 1997. Now, the Boston Phoenix has uncovered substantial new information about the Cowans case. These revelations are troubling, as they suggest that key members of the Boston Police Department (BPD) knew that Cowans was innocent, even as they forged the case to prosecute him. Incompetent--or Corrupt?
New York: New York state investigators are probing how police and prosecutors handled the 1988 bludgeoning and stabbing deaths of Seymour and Arlene Tankleff, whose son, Marty Tankleff, served 17 years in prison for their murders before being released in December, 2007. What Took So Long?
New York: A teen shooting suspect's quick decision to record his interrogation with a hidden MP3 device has played out as a perjury case against a veteran detective. Testifying at the trial of Erik Crespo in April, Detective Christopher Perino, 42, emphatically stated that he hadn't questioned the then-17-year-old about a Christmas Day 2005 shooting in The Bronx before the kid's mother and aunt showed up at the 44th Precinct station. But Crespo had secretly pressed record on his MP3 player - a small device used to download music from the Internet - hidden in his pocket and captured the bullying interrogation. "Testilying" vs. Tape.
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What do you get when you take one ambitious prosecutor, four cold cases, a couple of cooperative snitches and four defendants with compelling innocence claims? You get three death sentences and one life without parole.
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With that thought in mind,...charger, you claim to be trying to educate people on the owning and use of firearms, there has been a great deal of discussion about the responsibility that is necessary for one to own such powerful weapons. And yet you go and post a link to purchase firearms online? To complete and utter strangers? Seems to me that is completely irresponsible. Not to mention the fact that this is an all ages message board, meaning minors frequent it if they happen to like Pearl Jam...
and to be posting links for the purchasing of firearms on a Pearl Jam message board of all places to boot?
cripes, this is mind boggling to me.
and,....What a horrible thing to write to someone....
I like to use a snare net so I can go in for the neck bite. It doesn't get any fresher...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I agree...
I also lived most of my life in a major city (ny) and never once felt like I was going to be a victim. It's a matter of being observant and knowing what to avoid. I lived there for 30+ years and didn't feel like I needed a gun, as a matter of fact, I didn't even know one person who owned one (yonkers/bronx) unless they were a cop.
There seems to be so much information gleaned about 'urban areas', if people haven't lived in the heart of it, then they don't understand it. You have to live it to know what it's about. To understand the neighborhoods, the people, the families...
And this wasn't in the Guiliani 42nd street/tourist attraction days. There were certain things/places you avoided, simple as that.
the main thing that has bothered me about this thread is reading about how responsible people should be if owning/purchasing firearms, and yet that link still sits there for purchasing them online.
it's so fucked up to me.
I can understand the need for a gun, occupationally speaking, if you live on some ranch in the sticks in Wyoming or something but when these people who do then talk about the dangers of society and how they need protection I just want to say "for fuckssakes, you live in the middle of nowhere, I live smack bang in South London, murder capital of the country right now and I don't have a gun, nor do I want one, nor do I need one."
Then they tell us we just aren't as committed as them, to notions of family loyalty etc, as if being Rambo makes you a loving family man. I tell you something, people that bring their kids up in a house with guns make me sick. Waving around a gun doesn't make you a bigger man than someone who doesn't. If someone threatened my family on my property I'd be prepared to rip them apart with my bare hands. Don't need a gun for that.
Yes, and I have that mama bear intuitiveness about me also and I wouldn't need a gun believe you me if anyone fucked with one of my kids.
I was thinking just now, about growing up in the city, having not owned a gun or any other weapon ...
the thing that kept me going, was a razor tongue and very fast feet if need be.
works like a fucking charm.
Nice talking to you London!
I need to leave this thread, it's making my blood pressure rise and it's making me want to smoke another cigarette.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=01NHcTM5IA4
I can't watch youtube from this computer. :(
I take it it's a cartoon version of Mick Dundee and the knife thingy though?
I guess (mostly) erradicating guns from the culture has made us have to be a little more ingeneous in some situations and let's face it, most of us can't be bothered with guns now because it's such a pain in the arse the way it has become but I do know that alot of people in rural settings seem to have one. Not sure what they use them for but then I have no idea what we need a second pump for or why it's imperative to have half the bloody tools we have down the shed. :rolleyes:
It astounds me though why Australia keeps getting held up as this model of non violence based on us not having guns anymore when knife related violence has gone up so much since the buy back. AND for all the bloody good the buy back did to mental health services WHICH is where the real problem lies anyway IMO. It's not the average gun owner that is the problem as far as I can see, it's the nutters. Or, if you're from Victoria, the underworld or the cops.
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