AMT: Firearms Education Class

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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    IWith that thought in mind,...charger, you claim to be trying to educate people on the owning and use of firearms, there has been a great deal of discussion about the responsibility that is necessary for one to own such powerful weapons. And yet you go and post a link to purchase firearms online? To complete and utter strangers? Seems to me that is completely irresponsible. Not to mention the fact that this is an all ages message board, meaning minors frequent it if they happen to like Pearl Jam...

    You are reacting out of fear because you have no real knowledge of how the process works. Buying a firearm off the internet is no different from buying one in a gun shop. You still go through the NICS check. Nothing is different except that you avoid sales tax if you purchase out of state. So what's so scary about that?
    and to be posting links for the purchasing of firearms on a Pearl Jam message board of all places to boot?

    cripes, this is mind boggling to me.

    Sorry I forgot that everyone must go along with the hive mindset on this board. So much for freedom of expression and being open minded! Christ!

    Why don't you just tell me who to vote for too!
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...

    in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms

    now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!

    we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!


    please explain?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    dunkman wrote:
    in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...

    in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms

    now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!

    we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!


    please explain?

    We have better aim? ;)

    You say only 23 deaths by handguns. What about other types of firearms? Do those figures include suicides? Accidental deaths? Are you comparing apples to apples?
  • evenkatevenkat Posts: 380
    dunkman wrote:
    in 2001-2002 in the UK 23 people were killed by handguns...

    in the US that figure was 29,573 deaths from firearms

    now we have a 1/5th of the population of the US... so i'd expect our gun deaths to be a 1/5th of yours... so that 1/5th is 5914!!

    we should have had 5914 gun related deaths to be in line with the US... we had 23!!!


    please explain?

    No, we should have had 115 deaths to your 23.
    "...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    evenkat wrote:
    No, we should have had 115 deaths to your 23.

    rather than taking our liberty to protect ourselves,
    I believe we should consider mandatory gun safety for highschoolers.

    much like we have drivers ed and sex ed in school, we could also
    have firearm safety, a curriculum which includes respect for life issues.

    The fewest violent crimes (per 100,000 ppl) happen in New Hampshire, in which something like 90% of all homeowners also own guns.

    Violent death has more to do with lack of respect for human life than anything else. Maybe we should be dealing with that first.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    69charger wrote:
    We have better aim? ;)

    You say only 23 deaths by handguns. What about other types of firearms? Do those figures include suicides? Accidental deaths? Are you comparing apples to apples?

    apples with apples.

    Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994:

    United States 14.24;
    Scotland 0.54;
    England and Wales 0.41;



    i could go on and on



    a Professors wise words
    "It's not as if a 19-year-old in the United States is more evil than a 19-year-old in Australia—there's no evidence for that," Hemenway explains. "But a 19-year-old in America can very easily get a pistol. That's very hard to do in Australia. So when there's a bar fight in Australia, somebody gets punched out or hit with a beer bottle. Here, they get shot."

    In general, guns don't induce people to commit crimes. "What guns do is make crimes lethal," says Hemenway. They also make suicide attempts lethal: about 60 percent of suicides in America involve guns. "If you try to kill yourself with drugs, there's a 2 to 3 percent chance of dying," he explains. "With guns, the chance is 90 percent."


    and in answer to the 'should we ban cars, they kill more people' argument... which is stupid anyway seeing as cars were not designed to kill each other... he says

    Gun deaths fall into three categories: homicides, suicides, and accidental killings. In 2001, about 30,000 people died from gunfire in the United States. Set this against the 43,000 annual deaths from motor-vehicle accidents to recognize what startling carnage comes out of a barrel. The comparison is especially telling because cars "are a way of life," as Hemenway explains. "People use cars all day, every day—and 'motor vehicles' include trucks. How many of us use guns?"
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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