A Growing Pain for Atheists?

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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Hitler was a Roman Catholic and Stalin was Orthodox Christian.
    A religious affiliation isn't something you are but a belief and a way to live life. Neither Hitler nor Stalin came anywhere close to living the life of a Roman Catholic or Orthodox Christian.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    1. In the beginning, Man created God; and in the image of Man, created he Him.

    2. And Man gave unto God a multitude of names, that he might be Lord of all the Earth when it was suited to Man.

    3. And on the seven millionth day Man rested and did lean heavily on his God and saw that it was good.

    4. And Man formed Evenflow of the dust of the ground, and a host of others likened unto his kind.

    5. And these lesser men were cast into the void; And some were burned, and some were put apart from their kind.

    6. And Man became the God that he had created and with his miracles did rule over all the earth.

    7. But, as all these things came to pass, the Spirit that did cause man to create his God lived on within all men: even within Evenflow.

    8. And man saw it not.

    9. But, for Christ's sake he'd better start looking.

    God created man in his own image; but not the earthly image. our bodies are simply vehicles for life on this earth and the true image is revieled at death.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    surferdude wrote:
    A religious affiliation isn't something you are but a belief and a way to live life. Neither Hitler nor Stalin came anywhere close to living the life of a Roman Catholic or Orthodox Christian.


    you're right. saying you are something and living it are two different things.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    onelongsong wrote:
    you're right. saying you are something and living it are two different things.
    ...
    So, what about that whole, 'Turning the other cheek' thing? Does that mean that soldiers aren't Christians? Or is that one of those, 'Jesus spoke in parables' thing?
    Just wondering aloud.
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  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    surferdude wrote:
    A religious affiliation isn't something you are but a belief and a way to live life. Neither Hitler nor Stalin came anywhere close to living the life of a Roman Catholic or Orthodox Christian.

    But they did live the life of the athiest though right? There are shitty religious people and shitty non-religious people. Nothing will change that. Some people need religion to explain the unexplainable or to provide comfort through tough times. Me, I just roll with life. I know that the divinity in Bible is a complete fabrication. I'm pretty sure that there isn't a god and if there is, I'm sure that he would give two shits if I didn't believe in him while I was alive. If he would be so petty as to torture my soul for thinking a certain way while I was alive, I say fuck him.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Songburst wrote:
    But they did live the life of the athiest though right? There are shitty religious people and shitty non-religious people. Nothing will change that. Some people need religion to explain the unexplainable or to provide comfort through tough times. Me, I just roll with life. I know that the divinity in Bible is a complete fabrication. I'm pretty sure that there isn't a god and if there is, I'm sure that he would give two shits if I didn't believe in him while I was alive. If he would be so petty as to torture my soul for thinking a certain way while I was alive, I say fuck him.


    and expect him to say that to you.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I just heard that 'Son Of Sam' is a Born Again... just like a lot of convicted murderers. They find redemption and seek forgiveness in prison (because what the hell else you gonna do... you're in a goddamn prison).
    another question pops to mind... if Berkowitz truely believes this in his heart and dedicates the rest of his life to Jesus... what happens to him when he dies?
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  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    onelongsong wrote:
    and expect him to say that to you.

    I'll take my chances.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Cosmo wrote:
    I just heard that 'Son Of Sam' is a Born Again... just like a lot of convicted murderers. They find redemption and seek forgiveness in prison (because what the hell else you gonna do... you're in a goddamn prison).
    another question pops to mind... if Berkowitz truely believes this in his heart and dedicates the rest of his life to Jesus... what happens to him when he dies?
    My understanding says he gets accepted into heaven. But heaven's been described as a big mansion with many rooms. I'm sure some rooms are nicer than others. I have no idea if acceptance into heaven means you have free access to all the rooms.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • bubbamackdaddy69
    bubbamackdaddy69 Posts: 576
    I hate talking religion because I am not religious...so I must say
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  • Phantom Pain
    Phantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    onelongsong wrote:
    our bodies are simply vehicles for life on this earth quote]

    The last time I heard that was those loons that were waiting for that Hale-Bop Comet to come!


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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Cosmo wrote:
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    So, what about that whole, 'Turning the other cheek' thing? Does that mean that soldiers aren't Christians? Or is that one of those, 'Jesus spoke in parables' thing?
    Just wondering aloud.

    excellent question.
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Cosmo wrote:
    if Berkowitz truely believes this in his heart and dedicates the rest of his life to Jesus... what happens to him when he dies?

    the chances of someone like berkowitz inheriting the kingdom of God is like jenna jamison becoming a nun.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    PJammin' wrote:
    the chances of someone like berkowitz inheriting the kingdom of God is like jenna jamison becoming a nun.

    He has as much of a chance as anyone else.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Kirk was convince he was an atheist yet again.....I'm thinking the Christians should have brought more firepower....these two were pretty weak....but then so is the whole christian thing anyway...
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Songburst wrote:
    He has as much of a chance as anyone else.

    look more into the scriptures and he actually doesn't.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    prism wrote:
    I love how they got completely dumb-founded when they were asked "if God created everything who created God?"
    i think that's a pretty stupid question. God doesn't exist within the realms of time, space and matter. this question is kinda awkward... for the lack of a better term.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RainDog wrote:
    It does pose a philosophical point. Basically, if God is timeless, i.e. outside of time, then from the ultimate perspective (God's), past, present and future are all the same. God already knows everything, including what we will do "years" before we are even conceived, and therefore has created a "predestined" universe where free-will is just an illusion.

    In other words, a man or woman can only repent if God created them to repent.

    In other other words, God created people with the specific purpose of populating Hell.
    Actually, God knows everything from the here and now to the there and then. But God never interfere's in our lives and our choices. He only gives us choices to make and gives us advice to make the right choices. Ultimately, we are in charge of our own destiny.

    My high school teacher gave me this argument when I was about 15.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RainDog wrote:
    But if God already knows the outcome of that script, then the free will we are instilled with is only an illusion, as God is the ultimate reality.

    If, on the other hand, God doesn't know the outcome of that script, then free will is possible - i.e. you can "surprise" God by doing something other than what he scripted - only now God isn't the ultimate reality, as time is more powerful than he is.

    A possible third way is God is separate from the universe and has no ongoing contact with it. The universe began and ended in the blink of his eye. Here, free will is debatable.
    grab yourself a rug and spread pieces of crumbs all over it. then shake it off. God knows exactly where every piece of crumb will fall. He is the creator of physics, science and chemistry. He knows the equations to life as well. God knows, based on the "pieces of crumbs"(choices) that were spread on our "rug" (life), where each piece we've layed in our lives will eventually lead us to.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    grab yourself a rug and spread pieces of crumbs all over it. then shake it off. God knows exactly where every piece of crumb will fall. He is the creator of physics, science and chemistry. He knows the equations to life as well. God knows, based on the "pieces of crumbs"(choices) that were spread on our "rug" (life), where each piece we've layed in our lives will eventually lead us to.

    Haha. Wow.
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