11 Arguments Against Theism

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There is no evidence of a moral universe or constructs like good and evil. Yet this is the lense through which 85% of Americans view their surroundings. It is not realistic. Such absence of realism, also provides an absence of understanding and one only perceives the outcome of their choices as entirely good if they are unaware of the consequences


    how is a moral universe defined?
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  • Ahnimus
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    know1 wrote:
    In other words, you have no response for the post that you quoted and have decided to embark on a tangent.

    Huh?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    how is a moral universe defined?

    Well God would be a moral universe. I'm sorry, I don't understand how you don't understand what I mean. A universe with morals.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well God would be a moral universe. I'm sorry, I don't understand how you don't understand what I mean. A universe with morals.


    a universe with morals? i'm sorry i don't understand your misunderstanding ahnimus. :p the universe as it is, does not have a morality. it is humans who construct those morals. should you not have described it as a moral human existence? and where exactly did you define what a moral universe was in the first place?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    a universe with morals? i'm sorry i don't understand your misunderstanding ahnimus. :p the universe as it is, does not have a morality. it is humans who construct those morals. should you not have described it as a moral human existence? and where exactly did you define what a moral universe was in the first place?

    I didn't come up with it. It's in the Bible. God.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I didn't come up with it. It's in the Bible. God.

    so this moral universe is based upon the word of a nonexistant God for whom faith is the substance of things hoped for. the evidence of which is not seen?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    so this moral universe is based upon the word of a nonexistant God for whom faith is the substance of things hoped for. the evidence of which is not seen?

    Exactly
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Huh?

    That's what I said when you didn't address any of the points I made.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    That's what I said when you didn't address any of the points I made.
    I didn't see any points, sorry ♦♣♠•◘○☺☻♥
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I didn't see any points, sorry ♦♣♠•◘○☺☻♥

    That explains a lot, right there...
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Exactly
    are you saying morality doesn't exist?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    are you saying morality doesn't exist?

    It exists as a human social construct for survivability. But the universe cares not.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It exists as a human social construct for survivability. But the universe cares not.
    Then what is good? Is it also a human construct for survivability?
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    Then what is good? Is it also a human construct for survivability?

    good is what happens when we supress our natural animalistic nature for the sake of society.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    good is what happens when we supress our natural animalistic nature for the sake of society.
    But by all means, society is also a human construction for survival.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    good is what happens when we supress our natural animalistic nature for the sake of society.

    If you're talking about killing other human beings I've got to disagree. I don't think murder is "natural" or "animalistic".
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    If you're talking about killing other human beings I've got to disagree. I don't think murder is "natural" or "animalistic".
    "animalistic"? yes. animals kill, because it is part of their nature in order to survive.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    "animalistic"? yes. animals kill, because it is part of their nature in order to survive.
    I said "murder".
    Instances of animals killing within their own species is rare. At least among the higher mammals. It happens, but I wouldn't say that makes it natural.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    I said "murder".
    Instances of animals killing within their own species is rare. At least among the higher mammals. It happens, but I wouldn't say that makes it natural.

    you mean to tell me that when something happens within Nature it is possible for it to be considered unnatural?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    If you're talking about killing other human beings I've got to disagree. I don't think murder is "natural" or "animalistic".

    nope. i'm talking about violence.
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