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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Spending too much time on replies to you makes me want to vomit. I hope you don't mind.


    its turning into amateur hour around here.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Every policy decision we make needs to be seen through this lens. If, for example, Iraq becomes a failed state, it will go to the top of the list of places that are breeding grounds for attacks against Americans at home. Similarly, if we are paying insufficient attention to Afghanistan, the rule of the Taliban or warlords and narcotraffickers may reemerge and its countryside could once again offer refuge to al Qaeda, or its successor.

    Recommendation:The U.S. government must identify and prioritize actual or potential terrorist sanctuaries. For each, it should have a realistic strategy to keep possible terrorists insecure and on the run, using all elements of national power. We should reach out, listen to, and work with other countries that can help.

    And this answers my question how, exactly?
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    You know what gets me is that it took this leaked report to show some, including many here, of the freaking obvious.....hate to say but I told you so.....just some didn't need a "official" report to see the blantant truth that exists in the world today....Bush has made his country less safe....plain and simple....now people should realize his plan on terror is a horrible failure and "GASP"...... maybe take a second to listen to alternatives for once.....insteading of critizing them as unreal.....
    ...
    Are you saying that pretending things either don't exist or are actually better than they really... or simply burying you head in your ass doesn't make it come true?
    I figured that talking about gay marriage made the Iraqi insurgents put down their weapons and build a school.
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    jsand wrote:
    And this answers my question how, exactly?

    You asked:
    jsand wrote:
    How were those people not there? Did the US ship them in? Stop trying to insult me and start stating specific facts that demonstrate your point.


    Bush is the one responsible for Iraq being a in a failed state. Hence why it is his fault that Iraq is a new breeding ground for terrorism. Hence why Bush invading Iraq has made this world a less safe place to be. Plain and simple....the 9/11 commission report answered your question.

    It is not a matter of if the people were there already or not....the fact is that when we invaded Iraq, it turned it into (and continues to be to this day more so than ever) a failed state (where it never was before) and made it very accessible for terrorist to start their training camps.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    aNiMaL wrote:
    It is not a matter of if the people were there already or not...

    But, but...didn't you fucking pat me on the head and tell me how stupid I am that I didn't know that those people weren't there before the US invaded??
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    aBoxOfFear wrote:
    those people went there AFTER the american military invaded the country and started dropping bombs everywhere. ok?? *patting you on the head* :)

    Remember this one??
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    What happened? I thought that all those people killing the Iraqi civilians came from outside Iraq?
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    jsand wrote:
    What happened? I thought that all those people killing the Iraqi civilians came from outside Iraq?
    ...
    If you asked Rumsfeld, Cheney or FOX News, they'd have told you they were 'Foriegn Fighters'... is that what you mean?
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    jsand wrote:
    But, but...didn't you fucking pat me on the head and tell me how stupid I am that I didn't know that those people weren't there before the US invaded??
    No, I am not aBoxOfFear.

    And what I gathered from aBoxOfFear, he was claiming that the terrorist groups were not there. Who knows if the people who now make up the terrorist groups were there or not....but they weren’t in business before we attacked and over throw the Iraqi government.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    jsand wrote:
    What happened?

    i got tired of the pissing matches.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    aNiMaL wrote:
    No, I am not aBoxOfFear.

    And what I gathered from aBoxOfFear, he was claiming that the terrorist groups were not there. Who knows if the people who now make up the terrorist groups were there or not....but they weren’t in business before we attacked and over throw the Iraqi government.

    it's my understanding that they are coming from all over. but it doesn't matter, because like you said, they weren't in business before the american invasion.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    aBoxOfFear wrote:
    it's my understanding that they are coming from all over. but it doesn't matter, because like you said, they weren't in business before the american invasion.
    ...
    I saw a report on PBS where they were talking to young men and women throughout the Arab region. It was kind of scary because, although they loved things about America... like clothing and music and Oprah... they said they would cross the border to fight and kill the Americans in neighboring Iraq. The reasons varied, but for the most part... the feeling is that it is their homeland... Arab homeland and American military needs to remain in America.
    Now, i understan that PBS is that bastion of liberal elitism... mainly because they don't show wrestling or NASCAR or obsess over Natalie Holloway... still, it was pretty interesting.
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    jsand wrote:
    Thanks for the report:

    "The majority of insurgents are thought to be Iraqi and Sunni. The proportion of foreign fighters in the insurgency is widely considered to be less than 10%, although the US military said in May 2006 that 90% of suicide bombers used by Iraq's former al-Qaeda leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, were from outside Iraq."

    90%, they are the ones doing the killing. New low.

    The show fit in the other thread as welll....did u see what i was replying to? ;)

    Again, regardless whether they were from Iraq or not the point is people werent dying like they are today. Do you comprehend that?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Fuck Bush, He's been covering this shit up and he fucked up.

    It's about fucking time too, I'm tired of argueing with mindless asses about the truth.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jsand wrote:
    Bashing him for legitmate reasons is more than fine by me. I have issues with many things that he has done. That being said, calling him the little devil and equating him with Hitler is pathetic and ignores the truth.

    He has left Iraqis to die every day.. and works to keep the country safe for the murders to continue

    this is as evil as slavery, as what was done to the American Indian, it is as evil as the holocaust.

    The people of America stand by and allow it again
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Abuskedti wrote:
    He has left Iraqis to die every day.. and works to keep the country safe for the murders to continue

    this is as evil as slavery, as what was done to the American Indian, it is as evil as the holocaust.

    The people of America stand by and allow it again

    This makes no sense at all. What do you mean he "works to keep the country safe for the murders to continue"? It is as evil as slavery or the holocaust? No, it's not. If the American army were systematically exterminating Iraqi citizens (holocaust), or using them to perform work under physical duress (slavery), you might have a point, but you know full well that the vast majority of deaths in Iraq are the result of Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence, or at least Muslim-on-Muslim violence. So, your comparisons ring very, very false.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Fuck Bush, He's been covering this shit up and he fucked up.

    It's about fucking time too, I'm tired of argueing with mindless asses about the truth.

    So I'm a mindless ass, huh? When someone posts something like this - "Fuck Bush, He's been covering this shit up and he fucked up," they have no right to call anyone else a mindless ass, ok?
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    jsand wrote:
    So I'm a mindless ass, huh? When someone posts something like this - "Fuck Bush, He's been covering this shit up and he fucked up," they have no right to call anyone else a mindless ass, ok?

    That's the whole problem the key word to focus on is TRUTH....which you dont seem to be able to grasp.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Open wrote:
    That's the whole problem the key word to focus on is TRUTH....which you dont seem to be able to grasp.

    Every one of my posts has been based on known facts. The counter-arguments have been based on statements with no validity, such as "these people weren't there before the US invaded." I can grasp the truth just fine -you just don't like it when the truth doesn't mesh with your opinion. Sorry about your luck.
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    jsand wrote:
    Every one of my posts has been based on known facts. The counter-arguments have been based on statements with no validity, such as "these people weren't there before the US invaded." I can grasp the truth just fine -you just don't like it when the truth doesn't mesh with your opinion. Sorry about your luck.


    Keep on posting dude...you prove my point with every post. What you leave out above is the 90% of the bombings are by FORIGN insurgents. Keep posting, you're only helping people see what kind mindset put this nation where its at.

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