Every policy decision we make needs to be seen through this lens. If, for example, Iraq becomes a failed state, it will go to the top of the list of places that are breeding grounds for attacks against Americans at home. Similarly, if we are paying insufficient attention to Afghanistan, the rule of the Taliban or warlords and narcotraffickers may reemerge and its countryside could once again offer refuge to al Qaeda, or its successor.
Recommendation:The U.S. government must identify and prioritize actual or potential terrorist sanctuaries. For each, it should have a realistic strategy to keep possible terrorists insecure and on the run, using all elements of national power. We should reach out, listen to, and work with other countries that can help.
You know what gets me is that it took this leaked report to show some, including many here, of the freaking obvious.....hate to say but I told you so.....just some didn't need a "official" report to see the blantant truth that exists in the world today....Bush has made his country less safe....plain and simple....now people should realize his plan on terror is a horrible failure and "GASP"...... maybe take a second to listen to alternatives for once.....insteading of critizing them as unreal.....
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Are you saying that pretending things either don't exist or are actually better than they really... or simply burying you head in your ass doesn't make it come true?
I figured that talking about gay marriage made the Iraqi insurgents put down their weapons and build a school.
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How were those people not there? Did the US ship them in? Stop trying to insult me and start stating specific facts that demonstrate your point.
Bush is the one responsible for Iraq being a in a failed state. Hence why it is his fault that Iraq is a new breeding ground for terrorism. Hence why Bush invading Iraq has made this world a less safe place to be. Plain and simple....the 9/11 commission report answered your question.
It is not a matter of if the people were there already or not....the fact is that when we invaded Iraq, it turned it into (and continues to be to this day more so than ever) a failed state (where it never was before) and made it very accessible for terrorist to start their training camps.
It is not a matter of if the people were there already or not...
But, but...didn't you fucking pat me on the head and tell me how stupid I am that I didn't know that those people weren't there before the US invaded??
But, but...didn't you fucking pat me on the head and tell me how stupid I am that I didn't know that those people weren't there before the US invaded??
No, I am not aBoxOfFear.
And what I gathered from aBoxOfFear, he was claiming that the terrorist groups were not there. Who knows if the people who now make up the terrorist groups were there or not....but they weren’t in business before we attacked and over throw the Iraqi government.
And what I gathered from aBoxOfFear, he was claiming that the terrorist groups were not there. Who knows if the people who now make up the terrorist groups were there or not....but they weren’t in business before we attacked and over throw the Iraqi government.
it's my understanding that they are coming from all over. but it doesn't matter, because like you said, they weren't in business before the american invasion.
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it's my understanding that they are coming from all over. but it doesn't matter, because like you said, they weren't in business before the american invasion.
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I saw a report on PBS where they were talking to young men and women throughout the Arab region. It was kind of scary because, although they loved things about America... like clothing and music and Oprah... they said they would cross the border to fight and kill the Americans in neighboring Iraq. The reasons varied, but for the most part... the feeling is that it is their homeland... Arab homeland and American military needs to remain in America.
Now, i understan that PBS is that bastion of liberal elitism... mainly because they don't show wrestling or NASCAR or obsess over Natalie Holloway... still, it was pretty interesting.
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"The majority of insurgents are thought to be Iraqi and Sunni. The proportion of foreign fighters in the insurgency is widely considered to be less than 10%, although the US military said in May 2006 that 90% of suicide bombers used by Iraq's former al-Qaeda leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, were from outside Iraq."
90%, they are the ones doing the killing. New low.
The show fit in the other thread as welll....did u see what i was replying to?
Again, regardless whether they were from Iraq or not the point is people werent dying like they are today. Do you comprehend that?
Fuck Bush, He's been covering this shit up and he fucked up.
It's about fucking time too, I'm tired of argueing with mindless asses about the truth.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Bashing him for legitmate reasons is more than fine by me. I have issues with many things that he has done. That being said, calling him the little devil and equating him with Hitler is pathetic and ignores the truth.
He has left Iraqis to die every day.. and works to keep the country safe for the murders to continue
this is as evil as slavery, as what was done to the American Indian, it is as evil as the holocaust.
He has left Iraqis to die every day.. and works to keep the country safe for the murders to continue
this is as evil as slavery, as what was done to the American Indian, it is as evil as the holocaust.
The people of America stand by and allow it again
This makes no sense at all. What do you mean he "works to keep the country safe for the murders to continue"? It is as evil as slavery or the holocaust? No, it's not. If the American army were systematically exterminating Iraqi citizens (holocaust), or using them to perform work under physical duress (slavery), you might have a point, but you know full well that the vast majority of deaths in Iraq are the result of Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence, or at least Muslim-on-Muslim violence. So, your comparisons ring very, very false.
Fuck Bush, He's been covering this shit up and he fucked up.
It's about fucking time too, I'm tired of argueing with mindless asses about the truth.
So I'm a mindless ass, huh? When someone posts something like this - "Fuck Bush, He's been covering this shit up and he fucked up," they have no right to call anyone else a mindless ass, ok?
So I'm a mindless ass, huh? When someone posts something like this - "Fuck Bush, He's been covering this shit up and he fucked up," they have no right to call anyone else a mindless ass, ok?
That's the whole problem the key word to focus on is TRUTH....which you dont seem to be able to grasp.
That's the whole problem the key word to focus on is TRUTH....which you dont seem to be able to grasp.
Every one of my posts has been based on known facts. The counter-arguments have been based on statements with no validity, such as "these people weren't there before the US invaded." I can grasp the truth just fine -you just don't like it when the truth doesn't mesh with your opinion. Sorry about your luck.
Every one of my posts has been based on known facts. The counter-arguments have been based on statements with no validity, such as "these people weren't there before the US invaded." I can grasp the truth just fine -you just don't like it when the truth doesn't mesh with your opinion. Sorry about your luck.
Keep on posting dude...you prove my point with every post. What you leave out above is the 90% of the bombings are by FORIGN insurgents. Keep posting, you're only helping people see what kind mindset put this nation where its at.
Keep on posting dude...you prove my point with every post. What you leave out above is the 90% of the bombings are by FORIGN insurgents. Keep posting, you're only helping people see what kind mindset put this nation where its at.
Talk about ignoring truth. THE MAJORITY OF INSURGENTS ARE THOUGHT TO BE IRAQI AND SUNNI.
Moreover, the proportion of foreign fighters in the insurgency is widely considered to be less than 10%. Who is ignoring the truth here, huh?
Oh, and way to misconstrue, or intentionally alter, this statement:
...although the US military said in May 2006 that 90% of suicide bombers used by Iraq's former al-Qaeda leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, were from outside Iraq."
Get it? 90% of the suicide bombers used by al-Zarqawi. Not 90% of the bombings.
Keep on twisting the facts to suit your needs, and I'll keep on calling you on it.
Jsand, can you really justify in your own mind that we are in Iraq for A) to protect the freedom of our country...and that Iraq originally had anything to do with the war on terror?
How people can not see clearly that the war in Iraq was a huge blunder of a mistake on the Bush administration is beyond me.
And how you can not see that our constant presence in Iraq fuels the zealot’s anger and hate towards the west....hence creates more terrorist than curbs it.
How people can not see clearly that the war in Iraq was a huge blunder of a mistake on the Bush administration is beyond me.
given you think its a huge blunder, what would/should we do now?
i'm all for creating an exit plan and send all of our troops back to afgahanistan and finish off the taliban and el queda.
I also think it is the US's responsiblity to help build a decomcractic Iraq by building a police/military force, assist in infrastucure, schools, technology, etc.
This makes no sense at all. What do you mean he "works to keep the country safe for the murders to continue"? It is as evil as slavery or the holocaust? No, it's not. If the American army were systematically exterminating Iraqi citizens (holocaust), or using them to perform work under physical duress (slavery), you might have a point, but you know full well that the vast majority of deaths in Iraq are the result of Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence, or at least Muslim-on-Muslim violence. So, your comparisons ring very, very false.
What I know is that criminals run fearless accross Iraq killing people because we wiped out their military and their government. I also know that we are staying and killing any group that becomes large enough before they can establish anything. We are purposely preventing Iraqis from establishing a hold on their own country while protecting the very small group that is doing it the way we want.
The rest of the country is in a free for all civil war. A horrible civil war that can not end, because we kill anyone that winds up winning a little.
The death in Iraq is on our hands - it continues every day - and we not only sit back and allow it - we throw fuel on it.
It is an atorcity - a genocide by a new method.
our intentions are not genocide exactly - the genocide that results from our actions is of no concern to us.
The only difference from killing them ourselves is that we have a vail over it and an excuse - and a lame excuse at that.
given you think its a huge blunder, what would/should we do now?
i'm all for creating an exit plan and send all of our troops back to afgahanistan and finish off the taliban and el queda.
I also think it is the US's responsiblity to help build a decomcractic Iraq by building a police/military force, assist in infrastucure, schools, technology, etc.
Well, "staying the course" certainly isn't the answer. We need to get Iraq on their own two feet and get the hell out of there and get our troops in Afghanistan where they should have been the whole time.
But, admitting that the Bush administration fucked this up and that he had an ulterior motive to go to Iraq and finish his daddy’s war from moment one of his administration and purposefully and maliciously took advantage of a vulnerable country after a horrible attack by terrorist just to fuel his own agenda, is only for accountability reasons. Every damn ID10T who voted for him, especially the second time has this on their hands. And as a nation, we will be paying for this guy’s mistakes for many, many years to come. I sure as hell hope we as a country don’t screw the pooch again like that.
Talk about ignoring truth. THE MAJORITY OF INSURGENTS ARE THOUGHT TO BE IRAQI AND SUNNI.
Moreover, the proportion of foreign fighters in the insurgency is widely considered to be less than 10%. Who is ignoring the truth here, huh?
Oh, and way to misconstrue, or intentionally alter, this statement:
...although the US military said in May 2006 that 90% of suicide bombers used by Iraq's former al-Qaeda leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, were from outside Iraq."
Get it? 90% of the suicide bombers used by al-Zarqawi. Not 90% of the bombings.
Keep on twisting the facts to suit your needs, and I'll keep on calling you on it.
You're embarassing yourself, either way, say i am wrong and they are all from iraq...do you think they were bombing and killing innocent civilians BEFORE we went in there?
given you think its a huge blunder, what would/should we do now?
i'm all for creating an exit plan and send all of our troops back to afgahanistan and finish off the taliban and el queda.
I also think it is the US's responsiblity to help build a decomcractic Iraq by building a police/military force, assist in infrastucure, schools, technology, etc.
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Step 1. More boots.
To secure the entire country, you NEED more boots on the ground. More quality boots. This means that the inept, piece of shit 290,000 Iraqi boots need to be replaced with real soldiers.
Where do we get these soldiers? NATO.
How do we get these soldiers? Admit that we erred in our assessment, execution and follow-on sustainment of the whole Iraqi mess. Bush needs to stand up to the nation and the world and admit the mistakes and miscalculations and ask for assistance from the world community to help us recitfy our mistakes.
Step 2. Build a True Coalition.
Create a coalition of nations that includes the countries in the surrounding neighborhood. This would mean that we would have to convince the Arab nations to provide the go-between interface between the warring factions and the security forces. Arabs are the bes ones to turn to for police and local security. They already know the culture, language, religion and customs.
The European nations can provide both soldiers and aid workers, as well as reconstruction companies. The soldiers will provide security along the hostile borders and patrol Iraq's oil assets.
Step 3. ReBuild.
Eleminate Haliburton. This is just too controversial. Hire Japanese, Arabic, European and other U.S. companies instead.
Hire the local people. Put these guys to work, building their own country. Get rid of the assholes from Tennessee who are hire to drive the trucks and put the Iraqis in the drivers seats.
Rebuild the Iraqi security forces with nominal, not minimal trainning. You cannot expect a guy to go through a 2 week boot camp, then go out on patrol. We give our local cops better trainning. If needed, set up training outside the Iraqi borders and train them in surrounding countries.
ReBuild Iraq's political structure. This is what the U.N. is suppposed to do. Put their asses to work. Tell the Iraqis that is you have an armed wing of a political party, you will not be able to participate in the governing of their nation. The Al Sadr Shi'ite militia needs to be dis-armed.
Step 4. Pay the Bill.
The U.S. needs to fund it... all of it. This is our mess and we can't get out of it alone. We should not expect anyone else to pay for our mess, just as we should not be responsible for paying for someone else's mess. And bill THIS generation... not our kids and our grandkids. WE supported this mess... what kind of asshole makes a mess and expects his kids and grandkids to clean up?
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The sooner we clean up this mess.... the sooner we can wash our hands of it.
It's not perfect... but, it's something. I haven't seen much from the Pro-Bush camp other than leaving all of the decisions up to him. and his decisions suck. Staying the course when the ship is headed for the rocks is not a good idea.
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You're embarassing yourself, either way, say i am wrong and they are all from iraq...do you think they were bombing and killing innocent civilians BEFORE we went in there?
Whether they would have been bombing and killing if we hadn't gone into Iraq is irrelevant, in my opinion. I still place the blame squarely on those engaged in the bombing and killing. That's the difference (one of many) between you and I.
Whether they would have been bombing and killing if we hadn't gone into Iraq is irrelevant, in my opinion. I still place the blame squarely on those engaged in the bombing and killing. That's the difference (one of many) between you and I.
Ummmm ... who started the bombing?
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its turning into amateur hour around here.
And this answers my question how, exactly?
Are you saying that pretending things either don't exist or are actually better than they really... or simply burying you head in your ass doesn't make it come true?
I figured that talking about gay marriage made the Iraqi insurgents put down their weapons and build a school.
Hail, Hail!!!
You asked:
Bush is the one responsible for Iraq being a in a failed state. Hence why it is his fault that Iraq is a new breeding ground for terrorism. Hence why Bush invading Iraq has made this world a less safe place to be. Plain and simple....the 9/11 commission report answered your question.
It is not a matter of if the people were there already or not....the fact is that when we invaded Iraq, it turned it into (and continues to be to this day more so than ever) a failed state (where it never was before) and made it very accessible for terrorist to start their training camps.
But, but...didn't you fucking pat me on the head and tell me how stupid I am that I didn't know that those people weren't there before the US invaded??
Remember this one??
If you asked Rumsfeld, Cheney or FOX News, they'd have told you they were 'Foriegn Fighters'... is that what you mean?
Hail, Hail!!!
And what I gathered from aBoxOfFear, he was claiming that the terrorist groups were not there. Who knows if the people who now make up the terrorist groups were there or not....but they weren’t in business before we attacked and over throw the Iraqi government.
i got tired of the pissing matches.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
it's my understanding that they are coming from all over. but it doesn't matter, because like you said, they weren't in business before the american invasion.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
I saw a report on PBS where they were talking to young men and women throughout the Arab region. It was kind of scary because, although they loved things about America... like clothing and music and Oprah... they said they would cross the border to fight and kill the Americans in neighboring Iraq. The reasons varied, but for the most part... the feeling is that it is their homeland... Arab homeland and American military needs to remain in America.
Now, i understan that PBS is that bastion of liberal elitism... mainly because they don't show wrestling or NASCAR or obsess over Natalie Holloway... still, it was pretty interesting.
Hail, Hail!!!
90%, they are the ones doing the killing. New low.
The show fit in the other thread as welll....did u see what i was replying to?
Again, regardless whether they were from Iraq or not the point is people werent dying like they are today. Do you comprehend that?
It's about fucking time too, I'm tired of argueing with mindless asses about the truth.
He has left Iraqis to die every day.. and works to keep the country safe for the murders to continue
this is as evil as slavery, as what was done to the American Indian, it is as evil as the holocaust.
The people of America stand by and allow it again
This makes no sense at all. What do you mean he "works to keep the country safe for the murders to continue"? It is as evil as slavery or the holocaust? No, it's not. If the American army were systematically exterminating Iraqi citizens (holocaust), or using them to perform work under physical duress (slavery), you might have a point, but you know full well that the vast majority of deaths in Iraq are the result of Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence, or at least Muslim-on-Muslim violence. So, your comparisons ring very, very false.
So I'm a mindless ass, huh? When someone posts something like this - "Fuck Bush, He's been covering this shit up and he fucked up," they have no right to call anyone else a mindless ass, ok?
That's the whole problem the key word to focus on is TRUTH....which you dont seem to be able to grasp.
Every one of my posts has been based on known facts. The counter-arguments have been based on statements with no validity, such as "these people weren't there before the US invaded." I can grasp the truth just fine -you just don't like it when the truth doesn't mesh with your opinion. Sorry about your luck.
Keep on posting dude...you prove my point with every post. What you leave out above is the 90% of the bombings are by FORIGN insurgents. Keep posting, you're only helping people see what kind mindset put this nation where its at.
Talk about ignoring truth. THE MAJORITY OF INSURGENTS ARE THOUGHT TO BE IRAQI AND SUNNI.
Moreover, the proportion of foreign fighters in the insurgency is widely considered to be less than 10%. Who is ignoring the truth here, huh?
Oh, and way to misconstrue, or intentionally alter, this statement:
...although the US military said in May 2006 that 90% of suicide bombers used by Iraq's former al-Qaeda leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, were from outside Iraq."
Get it? 90% of the suicide bombers used by al-Zarqawi. Not 90% of the bombings.
Keep on twisting the facts to suit your needs, and I'll keep on calling you on it.
How people can not see clearly that the war in Iraq was a huge blunder of a mistake on the Bush administration is beyond me.
And how you can not see that our constant presence in Iraq fuels the zealot’s anger and hate towards the west....hence creates more terrorist than curbs it.
given you think its a huge blunder, what would/should we do now?
i'm all for creating an exit plan and send all of our troops back to afgahanistan and finish off the taliban and el queda.
I also think it is the US's responsiblity to help build a decomcractic Iraq by building a police/military force, assist in infrastucure, schools, technology, etc.
What I know is that criminals run fearless accross Iraq killing people because we wiped out their military and their government. I also know that we are staying and killing any group that becomes large enough before they can establish anything. We are purposely preventing Iraqis from establishing a hold on their own country while protecting the very small group that is doing it the way we want.
The rest of the country is in a free for all civil war. A horrible civil war that can not end, because we kill anyone that winds up winning a little.
The death in Iraq is on our hands - it continues every day - and we not only sit back and allow it - we throw fuel on it.
It is an atorcity - a genocide by a new method.
our intentions are not genocide exactly - the genocide that results from our actions is of no concern to us.
The only difference from killing them ourselves is that we have a vail over it and an excuse - and a lame excuse at that.
But, admitting that the Bush administration fucked this up and that he had an ulterior motive to go to Iraq and finish his daddy’s war from moment one of his administration and purposefully and maliciously took advantage of a vulnerable country after a horrible attack by terrorist just to fuel his own agenda, is only for accountability reasons. Every damn ID10T who voted for him, especially the second time has this on their hands. And as a nation, we will be paying for this guy’s mistakes for many, many years to come. I sure as hell hope we as a country don’t screw the pooch again like that.
You're embarassing yourself, either way, say i am wrong and they are all from iraq...do you think they were bombing and killing innocent civilians BEFORE we went in there?
Step 1. More boots.
To secure the entire country, you NEED more boots on the ground. More quality boots. This means that the inept, piece of shit 290,000 Iraqi boots need to be replaced with real soldiers.
Where do we get these soldiers? NATO.
How do we get these soldiers? Admit that we erred in our assessment, execution and follow-on sustainment of the whole Iraqi mess. Bush needs to stand up to the nation and the world and admit the mistakes and miscalculations and ask for assistance from the world community to help us recitfy our mistakes.
Step 2. Build a True Coalition.
Create a coalition of nations that includes the countries in the surrounding neighborhood. This would mean that we would have to convince the Arab nations to provide the go-between interface between the warring factions and the security forces. Arabs are the bes ones to turn to for police and local security. They already know the culture, language, religion and customs.
The European nations can provide both soldiers and aid workers, as well as reconstruction companies. The soldiers will provide security along the hostile borders and patrol Iraq's oil assets.
Step 3. ReBuild.
Eleminate Haliburton. This is just too controversial. Hire Japanese, Arabic, European and other U.S. companies instead.
Hire the local people. Put these guys to work, building their own country. Get rid of the assholes from Tennessee who are hire to drive the trucks and put the Iraqis in the drivers seats.
Rebuild the Iraqi security forces with nominal, not minimal trainning. You cannot expect a guy to go through a 2 week boot camp, then go out on patrol. We give our local cops better trainning. If needed, set up training outside the Iraqi borders and train them in surrounding countries.
ReBuild Iraq's political structure. This is what the U.N. is suppposed to do. Put their asses to work. Tell the Iraqis that is you have an armed wing of a political party, you will not be able to participate in the governing of their nation. The Al Sadr Shi'ite militia needs to be dis-armed.
Step 4. Pay the Bill.
The U.S. needs to fund it... all of it. This is our mess and we can't get out of it alone. We should not expect anyone else to pay for our mess, just as we should not be responsible for paying for someone else's mess. And bill THIS generation... not our kids and our grandkids. WE supported this mess... what kind of asshole makes a mess and expects his kids and grandkids to clean up?
...
The sooner we clean up this mess.... the sooner we can wash our hands of it.
It's not perfect... but, it's something. I haven't seen much from the Pro-Bush camp other than leaving all of the decisions up to him. and his decisions suck. Staying the course when the ship is headed for the rocks is not a good idea.
Hail, Hail!!!
Whether they would have been bombing and killing if we hadn't gone into Iraq is irrelevant, in my opinion. I still place the blame squarely on those engaged in the bombing and killing. That's the difference (one of many) between you and I.
I won't fall for that pathetic attempt at moral equivalence. Insugents started the intentional bombing of civilian targets.