Actually, he doesnt look dumb, just speaking the truth. Someone who's responsible for all these deaths deserves a big FU. I dont care if that person is dem or rep.
Thank you. I dont care if it was a dem or rep. they would still get the same FU! Killing is not the answer. Its the easiest but not the right choice. It will take a bigger man to put the guns down. and also what ever happen to that guy.........waht was his name???????? Oh Bin thats his name...... wasnt he the one that order the attacks on 911??????? I guess he is bunking up with Bush at the white house.
again, did american military intentionally attack civillians? the answer is no.
does el queda intentionally attack civillians? yes
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I have a question for you...
I works at a major corporation that builds defense and weapons systems... I am not in the military... I am a civilian.
If Al Qaeda attacks my company and I die... am I an innocent civilian or enemy combatant?
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Follow-on... when the U.S. military targeted Hussein's industrial complexes... the ones suspected of weapons research, development and manufacturing... were those workers innocent civilians or enemy combatants?
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What is the difference between me, working here... and the computer geek who was working in Baghdad?
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Thank you. I dont care if it was a dem or rep. they would still get the same FU! Killing is not the answer. Its the easiest but not the right choice. It will take a bigger man to put the guns down. and also what ever happen to that guy.........waht was his name???????? Oh Bin thats his name...... wasnt he the one that order the attacks on 911??????? I guess he is bunking up with Bush at the white house.
your getting close. calm the fuck down and speak like a human being and maybe people will listen to what you have to say
again, did american military intentionally attack civillians? the answer is no.
does el queda intentionally attack civillians? yes
If you intentionally start a war where, no matter how hard you try, you know civillians will be killed then, yeah, you kind of intentionally attack civillians. It's called war - and long gone are the days when wars are fought by opposing lines on an open field.
It's called war - and long gone are the days when wars are fought by opposing lines on an open field.
Couldn't agree with you more. Now that that's established, who is to blame for that shift? Who hides behind civilians in this new warfare? Clue: it's not the US.
you are contradicting yourself. you dont want to stay the course but you want to stay and get iraq on their feet.
I believe "staying the course" and getting Iraq back on their feet is one in the same.
Keep in mind, i'm not here to cheerlead bush, I want some honest opinions on what to do NOW. we cant go back and change what happen. bashing bush doesnt solve the problem.
I disagree..."staying the course" is an open ended, no-win type of a plan. And so far, as far as anyone can tell....the course we have been on is a failing course. We are hardly making any progress in the war on terror. We need a new strategy and new leadership to get us there.
If you intentionally start a war where, no matter how hard you try, you know civillians will be killed then, yeah, you kind of intentionally attack civillians. It's called war - and long gone are the days when wars are fought by opposing lines on an open field.
kind of huh? so who is worse Americans for starting the war or el queda filling a car with bombs and setting it off in a public market?
again, did american military intentionally attack civillians? the answer is no.
does el queda intentionally attack civillians? yes
You saw what we did to Baghdad. Either the administration was unaware that millions of civilians live in Baghdad (which, now that I think of it, wouldn't be all that surprising in light of the many other things this administration apparently does not know), or we targeted civilians. Perhaps we didn't go in with the thought of "Hey, lets go kill us some innocent bystanders!" but with the weapons that were used there was no doubt that many civilians would be injured or killed. And we did it anyway ... deliberately, even though no one in Iraq had attacked us or threatened to.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Whether they would have been bombing and killing if we hadn't gone into Iraq is irrelevant, in my opinion. I still place the blame squarely on those engaged in the bombing and killing. That's the difference (one of many) between you and I.
So, the fact that we forced Iraq into a state of unrest with terrorist cells and terrorist groups forming with little to no resistance, when they couldn't under Saddam's control, is not our fault? Really, you believe that? You think we have no responsibility at all for making Iraq the breeding ground for terrorist that it is today?
You saw what we did to Baghdad. Either the administration was unaware that millions of civilians live in Baghdad (which, now that I think of it, wouldn't be all that surprising in light of the many other things this administration apparently does not know), or we targeted civilians. Perhaps we didn't go in with the thought of "Hey, lets go kill us some innocent bystanders!" but with the weapons that were used there was no doubt that many civilians would be injured or killed. And we did it anyway ... deliberately, even though no one in Iraq had attacked us or threatened to.
well according to bush, not me, there was a significant threat.
kind of huh? so who is worse Americans for starting the war or el queda filling a car with bombs and setting it off in a public market?
this conversation is going no where
We started the war, thereby creating the conditions that have enabled Al Qaeda and the like to terrorize the civilian population. Comparing a world superpower to a band of fanatic thugs is sort of silly, so I'm not going to say which is "better" or "worse," but I will say that what we did was pretty damn bad.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Americans are worse for starting the war. Cause and effect. We invaded their country and now all hell has broken loose.
I don't know if our government is "worse" per say, but we certainly are to blame for invading a country that had nothing to do with the war on terror....and then due to that, it has caused said country to be a breeding ground for terrorist cells and terrorist groups.
We started the war, thereby creating the conditions that have enabled Al Qaeda and the like to terrorize the civilian population. Comparing a world superpower to a band of fanatic thugs is sort of silly, so I'm not going to say which is "better" or "worse," but I will say that what we did was pretty damn bad.
and what about what they did? and continue to do? no comment on that?
well according to bush, not me, there was a significant threat.
According to Bush, there were WMDs and looming mushroom clouds too, and we were going to get Osama dead or alive, and blah blah blah. You don't honestly believe a word he says anymore, do you?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Couldn't agree with you more. Now that that's established, who is to blame for that shift? Who hides behind civilians in this new warfare? Clue: it's not the US.
I believe that changed with the advent of modern warfare; when population centers, commerce and industry, were considered strategic targets. That goes back long before the start of this war. In fact, wars always target civilians - and have for a very long time.
Bush created this mess when he invaded Iraq. He created the breeding ground. Its his fault for all the deaths! Deaths of soliders and inocent people. He is the reason! CAUSE AND EFFECT!
and what about what they did? and continue to do? no comment on that?
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I have another question for you...
Was/Is the Pentagon a viable Military Target for Al Qaeda? Meaning, was/is it okay for them to target that building?
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According to Bush, there were WMDs and looming mushroom clouds too, and we were going to get Osama dead or alive, and blah blah blah. You don't honestly believe a word he says anymore, do you?
I wanted to believe him with all the WMD stuff. why would I not? they know more then I do. looking back he was getting that info from others who turned out wrong. do I blame bush for that? not entirely, but the buck stops at him, so yes I blame bush for the mess in iraq.
I do believe bush is looking out for americans and does not want to see another attack on our country. has he made some bad mistakes? absoulutely.
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I have another question for you...
Was/Is the Pentagon a viable Military Target for Al Qaeda? Meaning, was/is it okay for them to target that building?
not ok for them to target any building/troops/people whatever. what did you expect me to say?
I wanted to believe him with all the WMD stuff. why would I not? they know more then I do. looking back he was getting that info from others who turned out wrong. do I blame bush for that? not entirely, but the buck stops at him, so yes I blame bush for the mess in iraq.
I do believe bush is looking out for americans and does not want to see another attack on our country. has he made some bad mistakes? absoulutely.
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The smartest thing you have said today. Good going, Im proud of you.
and what about what they did? and continue to do? no comment on that?
I bet I've said this a dozen times at least on this board, but I will say it again, just for you.
No, I do not approve of terrorists blowing people to bits ... but come on, you knew that already, didn't you? I don't approve of radical Islam. Hell, I don't approve of religion in general. I don't approve of bombing in general. Does that just about cover it?
I expect terrorists to behave like terrorists. It doesn't surprise me when they do, so I rarely comment on it. I do NOT expect the United States to behave like terrorists, and it surprised me at the beginning (although sadly, it surprises me almost not at all anymore). What is being done by the U.S. is being done in MY name and with MY money, so you're damn right I'm going to comment.
Yes, Al Qaeda is bad, I think we can all agree on that, but didn't your mother teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
and what about what they did? and continue to do? no comment on that?
I'll comment. We're fighting a war. I know we toss that word around like it's no big deal - war on drugs, war on terror, war on high prices - but the truth is, in Iraq right now, we're fighting a real war. Like, the real war type war. The kind where people die every day all day. If you don't like that, perhaps you shouldn't support them.
I'll choose sides; I'll openly admit that I prefer the U.S. to Iraq. But these surgical strikes and these nancy boy tactics we use are simply not going to cut it. When you fight a real war type war, you have to let your enemy know that you are the last word on aggression. To think that we could just move in with a small force and oust a government - and everyone would be happy and grateful - is beyond naive. If you are not ready to flatten a country, and I mean flatten a country - civilians included - you are not ready to engage in war.
To think that we could just move in with a small force and oust a government - and everyone would be happy and grateful - is beyond naive. If you are not ready to flatten a country, and I mean flatten a country - civilians included - you are not ready to engage in war.
Umm... who is "Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld"??
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Thank you. I dont care if it was a dem or rep. they would still get the same FU! Killing is not the answer. Its the easiest but not the right choice. It will take a bigger man to put the guns down. and also what ever happen to that guy.........waht was his name???????? Oh Bin thats his name...... wasnt he the one that order the attacks on 911??????? I guess he is bunking up with Bush at the white house.
I have a question for you...
I works at a major corporation that builds defense and weapons systems... I am not in the military... I am a civilian.
If Al Qaeda attacks my company and I die... am I an innocent civilian or enemy combatant?
...
Follow-on... when the U.S. military targeted Hussein's industrial complexes... the ones suspected of weapons research, development and manufacturing... were those workers innocent civilians or enemy combatants?
...
What is the difference between me, working here... and the computer geek who was working in Baghdad?
Hail, Hail!!!
your getting close. calm the fuck down and speak like a human being and maybe people will listen to what you have to say
Couldn't agree with you more. Now that that's established, who is to blame for that shift? Who hides behind civilians in this new warfare? Clue: it's not the US.
You really think highly of yourself????? I dont beat around the bush I will tell it like it is and you will never win this argument with me.
kind of huh? so who is worse Americans for starting the war or el queda filling a car with bombs and setting it off in a public market?
this conversation is going no where
Americans are worse for starting the war. Cause and effect. We invaded their country and now all hell has broken loose.
so since america started the war, filling a car with bombs and setting it off in a public market is justified?
well according to bush, not me, there was a significant threat.
and what about what they did? and continue to do? no comment on that?
I have another question for you...
Was/Is the Pentagon a viable Military Target for Al Qaeda? Meaning, was/is it okay for them to target that building?
Hail, Hail!!!
I wanted to believe him with all the WMD stuff. why would I not? they know more then I do. looking back he was getting that info from others who turned out wrong. do I blame bush for that? not entirely, but the buck stops at him, so yes I blame bush for the mess in iraq.
I do believe bush is looking out for americans and does not want to see another attack on our country. has he made some bad mistakes? absoulutely.
not ok for them to target any building/troops/people whatever. what did you expect me to say?
The smartest thing you have said today. Good going, Im proud of you.
No, I do not approve of terrorists blowing people to bits ... but come on, you knew that already, didn't you? I don't approve of radical Islam. Hell, I don't approve of religion in general. I don't approve of bombing in general. Does that just about cover it?
I expect terrorists to behave like terrorists. It doesn't surprise me when they do, so I rarely comment on it. I do NOT expect the United States to behave like terrorists, and it surprised me at the beginning (although sadly, it surprises me almost not at all anymore). What is being done by the U.S. is being done in MY name and with MY money, so you're damn right I'm going to comment.
Yes, Al Qaeda is bad, I think we can all agree on that, but didn't your mother teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?
Then... what about the military/industrial buildings in Iraq that we bombed?
Hail, Hail!!!
I'll choose sides; I'll openly admit that I prefer the U.S. to Iraq. But these surgical strikes and these nancy boy tactics we use are simply not going to cut it. When you fight a real war type war, you have to let your enemy know that you are the last word on aggression. To think that we could just move in with a small force and oust a government - and everyone would be happy and grateful - is beyond naive. If you are not ready to flatten a country, and I mean flatten a country - civilians included - you are not ready to engage in war.
Umm... who is "Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld"??
What do I win?