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  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    Open wrote:
    Actually, he doesnt look dumb, just speaking the truth. Someone who's responsible for all these deaths deserves a big FU. I dont care if that person is dem or rep.


    Thank you. I dont care if it was a dem or rep. they would still get the same FU! Killing is not the answer. Its the easiest but not the right choice. It will take a bigger man to put the guns down. and also what ever happen to that guy.........waht was his name???????? Oh Bin thats his name...... wasnt he the one that order the attacks on 911??????? I guess he is bunking up with Bush at the white house.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, did american military intentionally attack civillians? the answer is no.

    does el queda intentionally attack civillians? yes
    ...
    I have a question for you...
    I works at a major corporation that builds defense and weapons systems... I am not in the military... I am a civilian.
    If Al Qaeda attacks my company and I die... am I an innocent civilian or enemy combatant?
    ...
    Follow-on... when the U.S. military targeted Hussein's industrial complexes... the ones suspected of weapons research, development and manufacturing... were those workers innocent civilians or enemy combatants?
    ...
    What is the difference between me, working here... and the computer geek who was working in Baghdad?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    Thank you. I dont care if it was a dem or rep. they would still get the same FU! Killing is not the answer. Its the easiest but not the right choice. It will take a bigger man to put the guns down. and also what ever happen to that guy.........waht was his name???????? Oh Bin thats his name...... wasnt he the one that order the attacks on 911??????? I guess he is bunking up with Bush at the white house.


    your getting close. calm the fuck down and speak like a human being and maybe people will listen to what you have to say
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, did american military intentionally attack civillians? the answer is no.

    does el queda intentionally attack civillians? yes
    If you intentionally start a war where, no matter how hard you try, you know civillians will be killed then, yeah, you kind of intentionally attack civillians. It's called war - and long gone are the days when wars are fought by opposing lines on an open field.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    RainDog wrote:
    It's called war - and long gone are the days when wars are fought by opposing lines on an open field.

    Couldn't agree with you more. Now that that's established, who is to blame for that shift? Who hides behind civilians in this new warfare? Clue: it's not the US.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you are contradicting yourself. you dont want to stay the course but you want to stay and get iraq on their feet.

    I believe "staying the course" and getting Iraq back on their feet is one in the same.

    Keep in mind, i'm not here to cheerlead bush, I want some honest opinions on what to do NOW. we cant go back and change what happen. bashing bush doesnt solve the problem.
    I disagree..."staying the course" is an open ended, no-win type of a plan. And so far, as far as anyone can tell....the course we have been on is a failing course. We are hardly making any progress in the war on terror. We need a new strategy and new leadership to get us there.
  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    jlew24asu wrote:
    your getting close. calm the fuck down and speak like a human being and maybe people will listen to what you have to say


    You really think highly of yourself????? I dont beat around the bush I will tell it like it is and you will never win this argument with me.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RainDog wrote:
    If you intentionally start a war where, no matter how hard you try, you know civillians will be killed then, yeah, you kind of intentionally attack civillians. It's called war - and long gone are the days when wars are fought by opposing lines on an open field.


    kind of huh? so who is worse Americans for starting the war or el queda filling a car with bombs and setting it off in a public market?


    this conversation is going no where
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, did american military intentionally attack civillians? the answer is no.

    does el queda intentionally attack civillians? yes
    You saw what we did to Baghdad. Either the administration was unaware that millions of civilians live in Baghdad (which, now that I think of it, wouldn't be all that surprising in light of the many other things this administration apparently does not know), or we targeted civilians. Perhaps we didn't go in with the thought of "Hey, lets go kill us some innocent bystanders!" but with the weapons that were used there was no doubt that many civilians would be injured or killed. And we did it anyway ... deliberately, even though no one in Iraq had attacked us or threatened to.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    jlew24asu wrote:
    kind of huh? so who is worse Americans for starting the war or el queda filling a car with bombs and setting it off in a public market?


    this conversation is going no where


    Americans are worse for starting the war. Cause and effect. We invaded their country and now all hell has broken loose.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jsand wrote:
    I know exactly what I'm talking about, and fully enjoy pissing you off.
    Don't flatter yourself, dear. We're just toying with you too.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    Americans are worse for starting the war. Cause and effect. We invaded their country and now all hell has broken loose.


    so since america started the war, filling a car with bombs and setting it off in a public market is justified?
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    jsand wrote:
    Whether they would have been bombing and killing if we hadn't gone into Iraq is irrelevant, in my opinion. I still place the blame squarely on those engaged in the bombing and killing. That's the difference (one of many) between you and I.
    So, the fact that we forced Iraq into a state of unrest with terrorist cells and terrorist groups forming with little to no resistance, when they couldn't under Saddam's control, is not our fault? Really, you believe that? You think we have no responsibility at all for making Iraq the breeding ground for terrorist that it is today?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    You saw what we did to Baghdad. Either the administration was unaware that millions of civilians live in Baghdad (which, now that I think of it, wouldn't be all that surprising in light of the many other things this administration apparently does not know), or we targeted civilians. Perhaps we didn't go in with the thought of "Hey, lets go kill us some innocent bystanders!" but with the weapons that were used there was no doubt that many civilians would be injured or killed. And we did it anyway ... deliberately, even though no one in Iraq had attacked us or threatened to.


    well according to bush, not me, there was a significant threat.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    kind of huh? so who is worse Americans for starting the war or el queda filling a car with bombs and setting it off in a public market?


    this conversation is going no where
    We started the war, thereby creating the conditions that have enabled Al Qaeda and the like to terrorize the civilian population. Comparing a world superpower to a band of fanatic thugs is sort of silly, so I'm not going to say which is "better" or "worse," but I will say that what we did was pretty damn bad.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    Americans are worse for starting the war. Cause and effect. We invaded their country and now all hell has broken loose.
    I don't know if our government is "worse" per say, but we certainly are to blame for invading a country that had nothing to do with the war on terror....and then due to that, it has caused said country to be a breeding ground for terrorist cells and terrorist groups.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    We started the war, thereby creating the conditions that have enabled Al Qaeda and the like to terrorize the civilian population. Comparing a world superpower to a band of fanatic thugs is sort of silly, so I'm not going to say which is "better" or "worse," but I will say that what we did was pretty damn bad.


    and what about what they did? and continue to do? no comment on that?
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well according to bush, not me, there was a significant threat.
    According to Bush, there were WMDs and looming mushroom clouds too, and we were going to get Osama dead or alive, and blah blah blah. You don't honestly believe a word he says anymore, do you?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jsand wrote:
    Couldn't agree with you more. Now that that's established, who is to blame for that shift? Who hides behind civilians in this new warfare? Clue: it's not the US.
    I believe that changed with the advent of modern warfare; when population centers, commerce and industry, were considered strategic targets. That goes back long before the start of this war. In fact, wars always target civilians - and have for a very long time.
  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    Bush created this mess when he invaded Iraq. He created the breeding ground. Its his fault for all the deaths! Deaths of soliders and inocent people. He is the reason! CAUSE AND EFFECT!
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