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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Collin wrote:
    Did Jesus or god write that? Or some random dude?

    the dude whose teachings they are is the same dude who made your mouth for YOU to mock Him.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PJammin' wrote:
    the dude who's teachings they are is the same dude who made your mouth for YOU to mock Him.

    My dad is Jesus?
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    onelongsong wrote:
    but it's true. 12% is nothing. not even worth consideration.
    I bet way less than 12% of the people initially believed that the earth was round, or that it revolved around the sun. I could sit here all day listing things that were formerly accepted by fewer than 12% of the people, and are now common knowledge.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    mammasan wrote:
    My dad is Jesus?

    no, Jesus doesn't prefer the swamp land of new jersey.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PJammin' wrote:
    no, Jesus doesn't prefer the swamp land of new jersey.

    How would you know? It's definetly a lot better than some arid desert out in the Middle East.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    PJammin' wrote:
    THAT'S AMAZING! VERY COOL.

    yes, i believe that. thanks for sharing your story.


    i've converted a few doctors without opening my mouth. i moved last year and got a new batch of doctors. they call me a miracle here. my neurologist uses my case in her lectures. she's considered one of the top neurologists in the country.
    the ironic thing is that everything is confirmed by science. ie: CT scans; EEGs; etc. yet these clowns that preach science won't believe what science proves unless it agrees with their opinion.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    first; everyone here knows i don't put much trust in the bible. i am nostic. the bible was written by men. men who sought power to be exact. if you know your history; it was the pope that ordered galleleo assassinated in 1635.
    next; i was legally brain dead for about 20 minutes when an artery popped in my head. i've lost a large portion of my brain and my doctors are baffled because i should not be alive. yet i am alive with an IQ 2 points short of genius. the brain does not continue after death; but the "being" or soul does. i was questioned extensively and was able to tell what people were doing to the point of what magazine my mother was reading while i was dead. if i was hallucinating; it was a hullicination that was accurate of all facts.

    if the idea of God is childish; then 87% of the population is childish. you're ideas are shared by only a small minority. why should anyone believe a small percentage of madmen who say God doesn't exist? you are a small minority brushed under the carpet and ignored. we know you're full of shit. period. you yourself just said religious beliefs have been a part of man for over 4000 years. it seems awful arrogant that now you have arrived with the truth.
    go sell your snake oils somewhere else. 87% of the population isn't buying your crap.

    science has proven biblical accounts more now than ever. the discoveries of scrolls and ancient cities happens almost daily. you are free to believe what you want but so is everyone else. let people believe what they want.

    I believe that's a statistical error. If asked "Do you believe in God?" that's open to interpretation, Spinoza's God? What God? 87% might believe in some form of a God, but is it the biblical God? not likely in all 87%.

    Actually religious beliefs date back at least 10,000 years or more, I was strictly referring to the Abrahamic faiths with 4,000 years. So why are the Abrahamic faiths true and the 6,000 other's false?

    There is much mystery of what happens when a person is legally brain dead, but some activity still occurs, delayed from reality by longer than Libet's 500 milliseconds. You may have been aware of some of these details prior to loss of conscious awareness. I'd say it's pretty inconclusive. I had a premonition once, saw the immediate future flash before me, yet, that does not serve as evidence for God to me.

    Define soul. What does the soul experience and how does it differ from brain experiences?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    PJammin' wrote:
    oh sorry. i further base my beliefs on God from what has happened to me. :)

    Interesting. I prefer not to base my beliefs on subjective experience.

    If I put my hand in a boiling pot of hot water, is that evidence that water in general is hot?

    See, the things that we do know. The way we are able to communicate over the internet through series of copper circuits, logical state machines, fibre optics, logical rules like CSMA/CD and OSPF, the mechanics of the keyboard. All of this is made possible by the scientific method of understanding. Faith in Christ alone would not allow us to have this communication. If not for science most, if not all of us here would be dead, or never have existed due to infections diseases, like plagues. Darwin's theory of evolution opened the door for biology to investigate genetics and realize the variations lead to different physical phenomenology that either hinders or compliments these infections diseases, and that empirical understanding is why most of us are alive today.

    Being that science has saved billions of lives and granted us abilities and understanding. Religion has granted us basically nothing. I see the flaw in the religious method of determining absolutes from nothing but ancient text.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    hippiemom wrote:
    I bet way less than 12% of the people initially believed that the earth was round, or that it revolved around the sun. I could sit here all day listing things that were formerly accepted by fewer than 12% of the people, and are now common knowledge.

    i agree; but try to come up with something that 12% has believed for 4000 plus years that was later proven false. you then have to explain the miracles witnessed by many and explain them. how does a man with cancer and given a month to live go to loardes and walk down free of cancer? you're welcome to close your eyes to the signs but why must you attack (for lack of a better word) those who believe?
    you've never seen an anti-athiest thread here. believers don't attack athiests. we pray for them. so why then do athiests feel the need to attack the beliefs of others?
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    onelongsong wrote:
    i agree; but try to come up with something that 12% has believed for 4000 plus years that was later proven false. you then have to explain the miracles witnessed by many and explain them. how does a man with cancer and given a month to live go to loardes and walk down free of cancer? you're welcome to close your eyes to the signs but why must you attack (for lack of a better word) those who believe?
    you've never seen an anti-athiest thread here. believers don't attack athiests. we pray for them. so why then do athiests feel the need to attack the beliefs of others?
    I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying that whether 1% or 12% or 99% of people believe something is irrelevant to the question of whether or not it is true.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    i agree; but try to come up with something that 12% has believed for 4000 plus years that was later proven false. you then have to explain the miracles witnessed by many and explain them. how does a man with cancer and given a month to live go to loardes and walk down free of cancer? you're welcome to close your eyes to the signs but why must you attack (for lack of a better word) those who believe?
    you've never seen an anti-athiest thread here. believers don't attack athiests. we pray for them. so why then do athiests feel the need to attack the beliefs of others?

    That's not true. Theists do attack atheists with statements like "Atheism is immoral"

    And actually for thousands of years before Abraham people believed in multiple gods, and aliens. Their numbers have dwindled.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    onelongsong wrote:
    you've never seen an anti-athiest thread here. believers don't attack athiests. we pray for them. so why then do athiests feel the need to attack the beliefs of others?

    I don't think it is an attack on religion but an attack on those that try to force their religion upon non-believers.

    I personally having nothing against any religion but when someone starts trying to shove their beliefs down my throat that is when my ire gets riled up.

    The person who started this thread is doing exactly that. Hestarted this thread to promote his beliefs and put down the beliefs or lack of beleifs of others.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • scw156
    scw156 Posts: 442
    onelongsong wrote:
    you've never seen an anti-athiest thread here. believers don't attack athiests. we pray for them. so why then do athiests feel the need to attack the beliefs of others?

    believers attack Atheists with their prayers...

    stop thinking about me! stop hoping I go to church...


    NOOOOOOOOO!
    The Sentence Below Is True
    The Sentence Above Is False
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    PJammin' wrote:
    because david karesh was teaching his own laws that went against the word of God. please, don't even compare Jesus and david karesh. it's a joke.

    wasnt jesus teaching his own interpretation of old laws? turn the other cheek instead of eye for an eye? love the sinner hate the sin instead of stone the sinner? etc etc.?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I believe that's a statistical error. If asked "Do you believe in God?" that's open to interpretation, Spinoza's God? What God? 87% might believe in some form of a God, but is it the biblical God? not likely in all 87%.

    Actually religious beliefs date back at least 10,000 years or more, I was strictly referring to the Abrahamic faiths with 4,000 years. So why are the Abrahamic faiths true and the 6,000 other's false?

    There is much mystery of what happens when a person is legally brain dead, but some activity still occurs, delayed from reality by longer than Libet's 500 milliseconds. You may have been aware of some of these details prior to loss of conscious awareness. I'd say it's pretty inconclusive. I had a premonition once, saw the immediate future flash before me, yet, that does not serve as evidence for God to me.

    Define soul. What does the soul experience and how does it differ from brain experiences?

    now that's a horses ass answer. 87% believe in a supreme being. does that clear it up for you? or how about 12% believe there is no God and death is the end. i'm not sure how to clear this up for you. it sounds to me that you are only wanting to attack biblical religion and simply want to discount all others. God is God no matter what you call him or how you worship him.

    i was unconscious hours before my death. and traveling to my family to a place i've never seen before yet being able to describe it in detail cannot be something i was aware of. it would be like you describing my office. it may not be proof of God but it proves life after death.

    instead of defining soul; why not experience it? transendental meditation; asteral projection; and other methods will bring you the enlightenment. if all brains work the same; why are we different? why do we think differently? you can call upon DNA to identify a difference; but it doesn't explain it. DNA only identifies physical properties. if you were cloned; the clone will not think like you or believe what you believe. that myth has been discarded.
    if you really need a deffinition; i'd say the soul is the part of you that makes you different from everyone else.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    wasnt jesus teaching his own interpretation of old laws? turn the other cheek instead of eye for an eye? love the sinner hate the sin instead of stone the sinner? etc etc.?

    I know the answer to this one too!

    God in all of his perfection said things in such a way that people misinterpeted them. Such as "Eye for an Eye" then he sent Jesus down to say "No, it means 'Turn the other cheek'". It couldn't be that God changed his commands, that would imply imperfection on God's part. So it must be man that misinterpreted God's word. "Eye for an Eye" does not literally mean what it says, it means the opposite.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    cornnifer wrote:
    First of all i don't it's "odd" or "asinine". Regardless of what you claim to have seen, i have known men who profess to be "gay" and all of them either have or would jump at the chance to have sex with very attractive women. And as far as women are concerned, it is also true that the vast majority of "gay" ones, have at least a dresser drawer full of fake cocks. WTF!? And i've said before the "face humiliation, discrimination, and degradation" argument simply doesn't hold water. "Gay" is fucking cool now. Its hip and popular. Beautiful women flock to be around gay men. i've heard them called "fag hags". Watch MTV for 5 freaking seconds. MTV is a fucking mirror of how pathetic pop culture really is. I firmly believe "gay" to be nothing more than a social construct.

    i see... so you're taking mtv as your guide to gay culture. that's problematic. sure, there are a small handful of kids who say they're gay becos they want attention. but they're a small minority.

    fact is, most gay men i know are downright grossed out by the thought of sex with women. i've heard them talk about it. they tried very hard, cos they didnt want to suffer the abuse of being gay. im dying to hear about these people you know who are gay and have "jumped at the chance" to sleep with women. most gay men i know have had sex with women at some point in an effort to be straight, but didnt like it.

    and if you think being gay is cool, hip, and popular now, you're just plain insane and you yourself are living proof this is not the case. most states passed strong anti-gay constitutional amendments last election. they are still hated, feared, and abused by people like you every single day. it is no social construct. it's been present in human society for millenia and common throughout the animal kingdom as well... and they have no morality, only the desire to procreate and carry on the genes... yet they STILL have gay sex.

    yes, there are "fag hags," but they hang out with the gay men becos they know they're the only men they can hang out with who aren't spending the entire time either thinking about or trying to fuck them. it sounds to me like you're jealous. that's ok, i occasionally hate gay people for hogging all the hotties too. but trust me, swallow your homophobia (not your homo friend), get in good with the gay men, and you will be swimming in pussy up to your ears.

    long post short, yeah, your post was fucking ridiculous. it's the most out of touch thing i've ever read. mtv? THAT is your basis? jesus man, that's fucked up. if you believe everything you see on mtv, every 16 year old girl gets a million dollar birthday party and i've got some beautiful northwest ohio swampland to sell you.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    onelongsong wrote:
    now that's a horses ass answer. 87% believe in a supreme being. does that clear it up for you? or how about 12% believe there is no God and death is the end. i'm not sure how to clear this up for you. it sounds to me that you are only wanting to attack biblical religion and simply want to discount all others. God is God no matter what you call him or how you worship him.
    If someone believes in a force in the universe that we don't yet understand, but don't think of it as a personal being, anything that you could call "him," don't think it's at all supernatural, and don't think it needs to be worshipped, what does that make them? Is that God? You may or may not think it is ... many people, particularly believers in the major religions, would not define such a force as "god," but if you ask the people who believe in it, they're going to say that yes, they believe in god, because that's what god is to them. You are presupposing that god is a being and must be worshipped, so right there you're biasing the question.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    now that's a horses ass answer. 87% believe in a supreme being. does that clear it up for you? or how about 12% believe there is no God and death is the end. i'm not sure how to clear this up for you. it sounds to me that you are only wanting to attack biblical religion and simply want to discount all others. God is God no matter what you call him or how you worship him.

    Okay, so Odin and Yahweh are the same God? The annunaki are really not multiple aliens, but one God? How do you rationalize that?
    i was unconscious hours before my death. and traveling to my family to a place i've never seen before yet being able to describe it in detail cannot be something i was aware of. it would be like you describing my office. it may not be proof of God but it proves life after death.

    Umm, white, or egg-shell walls, black or brown desk, probably with a hutch or some drawers, pen-holder, computer, keyboard, blotter, desk chair, window, plants, typical stuff you find in an office. Maybe I'll take a stab and suggest your mother was reading Cosmopolitan. Of course you'd know her better than me, if I was in a hospital dying, my mother wouldn't be reading a magazine, but if she were it'd be Cosmopolitan. Perhaps what you thought you saw was just your brain inferencing what might happen based on what it already knows. I would say that you are claiming some absolutes from something that is grey and largely unknown. Not surprisingly when I almost died, my brain just shut off and I had no experiences.
    instead of defining soul; why not experience it? transendental meditation; asteral projection; and other methods will bring you the enlightenment. if all brains work the same; why are we different? why do we think differently? you can call upon DNA to identify a difference; but it doesn't explain it. DNA only identifies physical properties. if you were cloned; the clone will not think like you or believe what you believe. that myth has been discarded.
    if you really need a deffinition; i'd say the soul is the part of you that makes you different from everyone else.

    I'm really not interested in psychotic experiences. And I apologize, that is what I interpret them to be. The soul does not exists, the variation in experience and some level of randomness causes the variation in people. This mostly all been proven through socio-biology, neuroscience and psychology. But those books might be too new for you.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    If someone believes in a force in the universe that we don't yet understand, but don't think of it as a personal being, anything that you could call "him," don't think it's at all supernatural, and don't think it needs to be worshipped, what does that make them? Is that God? You may or may not think it is ... many people, particularly believers in the major religions, would not define such a force as "god," but if you ask the people who believe in it, they're going to say that yes, they believe in god, because that's what god is to them. You are presupposing that god is a being and must be worshipped, so right there you're biasing the question.

    Yea polling is pretty much always bias. It's difficult to get a good statistic. Not even sure where this information is coming from, but I had the same initial thought.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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